Midway Mortal Kombat Upgrades

[Rex_Eckles]

Much has changed since the last Mortal Kombat CRT. An organized scaling change was created, seen here:

• 9-A
  • MKM Scorpion (Alive and Undead) < MKM Kia < MKM Jataaka < MKM Sereena < MKM Quan Chi < MKM Elder Subzero
  • Johnny Cage = Sonya = Kano
• At least 9-A
  • Johnny Cage, Sonya and Kano ≤ Goro
  • Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao ≤ Goro > Old Shang Tsung
  • MKM Elder Subzero ≤ MK2 Young Subzero ≤ MK1 Elder Subzero < MK1 Scorpion
  • Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao≤ Goro > Old Shang Tsung < MK2 Shang Tsung < MK3 Shang Tsung
  • MK1 Scorpion ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Quan Chi ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Young Subzero ≤ MK4 Scorpion
  • Sektor ≤ DA Young Subzero < DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
    • Hotaru ≤ DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
• 7-C
  • AMG Shang Tsung ≤ Sealed Blaze
• At least 7-C
  • AMG Shang Tsung < DA/D Shang Tsung
  • DA/D Shang Tsung ≤ DA/D Quan Chi ≤ DA/D Scorpion < Moloch and Dhramin
  • DA/D Scorpion < Shujinko < Shujinko w/ Power Mimicry
  • Post MK3 Shao Kahn and DA/D Raiden ≤ DA/D Shang Tsung + DA/D Quan Chi
• At least 7-C, likely far higher
  • DA/D Raiden + DA/D Shang Tsung + DA/D Quan Chi < DA/D Raiden Sacrifice Blast
  • Post MK3 Shao Kahn < MK2 Shao Kahn < MK2 Liu Kang
• At least 7-C, likely even higher
  • MK3 Shao Kahn w/ Souls ≤ MK3 Lui Kang w/ Rage

Keep it in mind as we go through the new proposals.

Proposal 1: Jade to the Rescue
Currently, all all the low and mid tier characters are upscaled from 9-A via the MK1 Test Your Might calculation. I propose we replace this with Jade's 8-C+ MK3 fatality to scale to everyone.

It can scale to everyone because Jade is comparable to other Outworlders, especially given how the likes of Reptile was chosen to support her in her mission to capture Kitana. In the prelude to MK2, Johnny Cage could fight on par with Baraka, a renown Outworld warrior, and participated in the Outworld tournament. There's no indication that Johnny Cage when through any significant training or growth in strength in the timeframe between the tournaments, so MK1 era characters can scale as well.

That latter part is important because, as established last time, Goro upscales Johnny Cage, and MK2 Shang Tsung upscales his old MK1 self who is comparable to the MK1 fighters. Since the difference between Jade's value and baseline High 8-C is 1.02 times, MK2 Shang Tsung and Goro should be upscaled to High 8-C, and MK3 Shang Tsung should be rated as "at least High 8-C" via being granted even more power than before. Similar upscaling should be applied to Sub-Zero via his Dragon Medallion and ancestral armor

The slightly revised scaling chain for the low-mid tiers should look like this:

• 8-C+
  • MKM Scorpion (Alive and Undead) < MKM Kia < MKM Jataaka < MKM Sereena < MKM Quan Chi < MKM Elder Subzero
  • MKM Elder Subzero ≤ MK2 Young Subzero ≤ MK1 Elder Subzero < MK1 Scorpion
  • MK1 Scorpion ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Quan Chi ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Young Subzero ≤ MK4 Scorpion
  • Johnny Cage = Sonya = Kano = Baraka = Reptile = Old Shang Tsung = Jade, etc
  • Sektor ≤ DA Young Subzero
• High 8-C
  • Johnny Cage, Sonya and Kano ≤ Goro
  • Old Shang Tsung < Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao ≤ Goro
  • Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao≤ Goro > Old Shang Tsung < MK2 Shang Tsung
  • DA Young Subzero < DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
    • Hotaru ≤ DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
• At least High 8-C
  • MK2 Shang Tsung < MK3 Shang Tsung

Proposal 2: The GOAT has arrived
Since no one else has yet, I made a profile for Midway Liu Kang based on the previously accepted scaling chain (he's a high tier, so Proposal 1 doesn't affect this). But there is one thing I included that needs discussion.

I rated his enraged state in MK3 as "possibly Low 7-B", potentially upscaling the Lin Kuei cyborgs' self-destruction, which we know Cyrax and Sektor can do. The rationale is that Liu Kang was stated to be the biggest threat to Shao Kahn's invasion among the humans. This statement could possibly include the Cyber Lin Kuei's self-destruction, depending on what "human" means in this context.

On the one hand, it might exclusively refer to non-cybernetic warriors, like Stryker, Kung Lao, Jax, Sonya, etc. Sektor's bio describes him as formerly human, so that may support this interpretation. On the other hand, it might just be referring to Earthrealmers as a whole, since Outworlders technically aren't humans and the majority of Shao Kahn's army was composed of centaurs. It's kind of ambiguous, so I'll leave it up to you to decide.

There's some push-back against scaling Kang to the self-destruction, so I'll axe that, maybe save it for a later thread.

Regardless, once accepted, I'll be updating the verse page with the new calculations.


Agree: Gohan?_You're_still_alive?, Legion350 (Except Low 7-B Liu Kang), DaReaperMan, Apex_Predator_GX, DarkDragonMedeus (Except Low 7-B Liu Kang), Theglassman12

Disagree: Legion350 (Specifically Low 7-B Liu Kang), DarkDragonMedeus (Specifically Low 7-B Liu Kang)

Neutral:

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Gohan?_You're_still_alive?]

I can agree with both, glad fatalities are allowed to support the low-mid tiers, I think it'd also make sense that Liu Kang deserves that tier since well... Even more of a threat than Cyrax & Sektor whose self-destruction is on the scale they received. I don't think of mustard and ketchup when I think of a threat to Shao Kahn's invasion.

You could argue Liu Kang also just gets a possibly far higher rating somewhere there too if we're unsure since well... Shao Kahn conquers realms? Entire realms, his army is no joke, Liu Kang's a top tier for this verse, a shame he became a zombie.

Finally, someone doing smth with the Midway timeline, it won't be much longer before we get a Liu Kang & Scorpion profile! :3

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I can agree with both, glad fatalities are allowed to support the low-mid tiers, I think it'd also make sense that Liu Kang deserves that tier since well... Even more of a threat than Cyrax & Sektor whose self-destruction is on the scale they received. I don't think of mustard and ketchup when I think of a threat to Shao Kahn's invasion.

You could argue Liu Kang also just gets a possibly far higher rating somewhere there too if we're unsure since well... Shao Kahn conquers realms? Entire realms, his army is no joke, Liu Kang's a top tier for this verse, a shame he became a zombie.

Finally, someone doing smth with the Midway timeline, it won't be much longer before we get a Liu Kang & Scorpion profile! :3

Thanks man. At some point, I'll try my hand at upgrading the verse to Tier 2, but for now, I'll settle with Tier 7.

 

[Gohan?_You're_still_alive?]

I'm not an official supporter, but I know a lot about the verse I also rendered those new Taven images, you have a lot of walls to climb if you desire Tier 2 Midway MK lol considering what Snow Blind & MK1 confirmed, I might be able to argue tier 2 for timeline 2, but I'm very lazy

Personally, if it were up to me, I'd place enraged Liu at Low 7-B possibly far higher, as well as give him Rage Power, rage can give huge boosts of power in the hands of the right protagonist.

You can do what you wish, but I think it'd look smooth with 7-C, Low 7-B possibly far higher with Rage Power

 

[Rex_Eckles]

You can do what you wish, but I think it'd look smooth with 7-C, Low 7-B possibly far higher with Rage Power

I'll keep it as is for now, I want to make sure the Low 7-B scaling is even accepted in the first place.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Just a heads up, bumping as such wont get any staff attention, especially given how dead the series became here

Inform whatever supporters still exist on the general thread for it and also ask staff on their profiles to give their input, if they dont answer right away, ask again after a while or ask more others or both

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Just a heads up, bumping as such wont get any staff attention, especially given how dead the series became here

Inform whatever supporters still exist on the general thread for it and also ask staff on their profiles to give their input, if they dont answer right away, ask again after a while or ask more others or both

Thanks. I'm just holding out hope.

 

[Legion350]

Much has changed since the last Mortal Kombat CRT. An organized scaling change was created, seen here:

• 9-A
  • MKM Scorpion (Alive and Undead) < MKM Kia < MKM Jataaka < MKM Sereena < MKM Quan Chi < MKM Elder Subzero
  • Johnny Cage = Sonya = Kano
• At least 9-A
  • Johnny Cage, Sonya and Kano ≤ Goro
  • Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao ≤ Goro > Old Shang Tsung
  • MKM Elder Subzero ≤ MK2 Young Subzero ≤ MK1 Elder Subzero < MK1 Scorpion
  • Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao≤ Goro > Old Shang Tsung < MK2 Shang Tsung < MK3 Shang Tsung
  • MK1 Scorpion ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Quan Chi ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Young Subzero ≤ MK4 Scorpion
  • Sektor ≤ DA Young Subzero < DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
    • Hotaru ≤ DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
• 7-C
  • AMG Shang Tsung ≤ Sealed Blaze
• At least 7-C
  • AMG Shang Tsung < DA/D Shang Tsung
  • DA/D Shang Tsung ≤ DA/D Quan Chi ≤ DA/D Scorpion < Moloch and Dhramin
  • DA/D Scorpion < Shujinko < Shujinko w/ Power Mimicry
  • Post MK3 Shao Kahn and DA/D Raiden ≤ DA/D Shang Tsung + DA/D Quan Chi
• At least 7-C, likely far higher
  • DA/D Raiden + DA/D Shang Tsung + DA/D Quan Chi < DA/D Raiden Sacrifice Blast
  • Post MK3 Shao Kahn < MK2 Shao Kahn < MK2 Liu Kang
• At least 7-C, likely even higher
  • MK3 Shao Kahn w/ Souls ≤ MK3 Lui Kang w/ Rage

Keep it in mind as we go through the new proposals.

Proposal 1: Jade to the Rescue
Currently, all all the low and mid tier characters are upscaled from 9-A via the MK1 Test Your Might calculation. I propose we replace this with Jade's 8-C+ MK3 fatality to scale to everyone.

It can scale to everyone because Jade is comparable to other Outworlders, especially given how the likes of Reptile was chosen to support her in her mission to capture Kitana. In the prelude to MK2, Johnny Cage could fight on par with Baraka, a renown Outworld warrior, and participated in the Outworld tournament. There's no indication that Johnny Cage when through any significant training or growth in strength in the timeframe between the tournaments, so MK1 era characters can scale as well.

That latter part is important because, as established last time, Goro upscales Johnny Cage, and MK2 Shang Tsung upscales his old MK1 self who is comparable to the MK1 fighters. Since the difference between Jade's value and baseline High 8-C is 1.02 times, MK2 Shang Tsung and Goro should be upscaled to High 8-C, and MK3 Shang Tsung should be rated as "at least High 8-C" via being granted even more power than before. Similar upscaling should be applied to Sub-Zero via his Dragon Medallion and ancestral armor

The slightly revised scaling chain for the low-mid tiers should look like this:

• 8-C+
  • MKM Scorpion (Alive and Undead) < MKM Kia < MKM Jataaka < MKM Sereena < MKM Quan Chi < MKM Elder Subzero
  • MKM Elder Subzero ≤ MK2 Young Subzero ≤ MK1 Elder Subzero < MK1 Scorpion
  • MK1 Scorpion ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Quan Chi ≤ MK4 Scorpion
    • MK4 Young Subzero ≤ MK4 Scorpion
  • Johnny Cage = Sonya = Kano = Baraka = Reptile = Old Shang Tsung = Jade, etc
  • Sektor ≤ DA Young Subzero
• High 8-C
  • Johnny Cage, Sonya and Kano ≤ Goro
  • Old Shang Tsung < Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao ≤ Goro
  • Young Shang Tsung ≤ Great Kung Lao≤ Goro > Old Shang Tsung < MK2 Shang Tsung
  • DA Young Subzero < DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
    • Hotaru ≤ DA/D Grand Master Young Subzero
• At least High 8-C
  • MK2 Shang Tsung < MK3 Shang Tsung

Proposal 2: The GOAT has arrived
Since no one else has yet, I made a profile for Midway Liu Kang based on the previously accepted scaling chain (he's a high tier, so Proposal 1 doesn't affect this). But there is one thing I included that needs discussion.

I rated his enraged state in MK3 as "possibly Low 7-B", potentially upscaling the Lin Kuei cyborgs' self-destruction, which we know Cyrax and Sektor can do. The rationale is that Liu Kang was stated to be the biggest threat to Shao Kahn's invasion among the humans. This statement could possibly include the Cyber Lin Kuei's self-destruction, depending on what "human" means in this context.

On the one hand, it might exclusively refer to non-cybernetic warriors, like Stryker, Kung Lao, Jax, Sonya, etc. Sektor's bio describes him as formerly human, so that may support this interpretation. On the other hand, it might just be referring to Earthrealmers as a whole, since Outworlders technically aren't humans and the majority of Shao Kahn's army was composed of centaurs. It's kind of ambiguous, so I'll leave it up to you to decide.

Regardless, once accepted, I'll be updating the verse page with the new calculations.


Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

Now that I have some free time. I had a chance to look over the thread, and Proposal 1 looks great to me. I have a few questions about the second proposal before I can agree or disagree. Is his self destruction something Sektor can use consecutively?

As far as I’m aware the self destruction the Cyber Lin Kuei is fatal to them. The reason I bring this up is that Liu Kang can be the biggest threat to Shao Kahn’s invasion from Earthrealm without scaling above the self destruction. He’s already way above the cyber ninjas. Sektor’s explosion has a range of several miles but many MK characters can teleport away. Whereas Liu Kang is stronger than most of them without needing to use attacks that hurt him.

Leaning towards disagreeing unless there’s any information specifically comparing Liu Kang to the blast.

Last thing for now, but I saw that Jade’s calc was accepted for LS. It also upgrades every character’s LS to a higher Class K. That was a great find.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

As far as I’m aware the self destruction the Cyber Lin Kuei is fatal to them. The reason I bring this up is that Liu Kang can be the biggest threat to Shao Kahn’s invasion from Earthrealm without scaling above the self destruction. He’s already way above the cyber ninjas. Sektor’s explosion has a range of several miles but many MK characters can teleport away. Whereas Liu Kang is stronger than most of them without needing to use attacks that hurt him.

Leaning towards disagreeing unless there’s any information specifically comparing Liu Kang to the blast.

Nothing very direct, as far as I can tell. I suppose you could argue that Liu Kang is a bigger threat than the Cyber Lin Kuei as a collective, each of which can self destruct so technically the self-destruction can happen multiple times.

I'm not hard-set on that, that's why I wanted this to be discussed first.

 

[Legion350]

Nothing very direct, as far as I can tell. I suppose you could argue that Liu Kang is a bigger threat than the Cyber Lin Kuei as a collective, each of which can self destruct so technically the self-destruction can happen multiple times.

I'm not hard-set on that, that's why I wanted this to be discussed first.

Sub Zero’s Spine rip is only 102 tons of force, so Jade’s feat makes the 8-C+ characters Class K, and upscales the rest of the verse. And the 7-C characters upscale them, unless they have any feats above Class K.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Sub Zero’s Spine rip is only 102 tons of force, so Jade’s feat makes the 8-C+ characters Class K, and upscales the rest of the verse. And the 7-C characters upscale them, unless they have any feats above Class K.

Yep, exactly.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Just a heads up, bumping as such wont get any staff attention, especially given how dead the series became here

Inform whatever supporters still exist on the general thread for it and also ask staff on their profiles to give their input, if they dont answer right away, ask again after a while or ask more others or both

I know i said already, but keep asking supporters and staff for this thread, bumping wont do anything at all

 

[DaReaperMan]

Reading the thread... yeah this is good. Where's Onaga in this scaling chain tho?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Reading the thread... yeah this is good. Where's Onaga in this scaling chain tho?

He's scaled to Kahn, his Kamidogu-resurrected self's durability is scaled above DA Shang Tsung, he's not really affected by this.

The big thing that needs to be discussed is whether or not to scale enraged Liu Kang to the Cyber Lin Kuei's self-destruction.

 

[DaReaperMan]

He's scaled to Kahn, his Kamidogu-resurrected self's durability is scaled above DA Shang Tsung, he's not really affected by this.

Shame

The big thing that needs to be discussed is whether or not to scale enraged Liu Kang to the Cyber Lin Kuei's self-destruction.

If you're unsure, slap possibly/likely on it

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Shame

If you're unsure, slap possibly/likely on it

Already did. The contention would be whether or not the statement about Liu Kang's threat to Shao Kahn would have included the Cyber Lin Kuei's self-destructions.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Already did. The contention would be whether or not the statement about Liu Kang's threat to Shao Kahn would have included the Cyber Lin Kuei's self-destructions.

Then what's the problem? "Maybe" is where those ratings come in. We can't yay or nay it so just say "why not both?"

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Then what's the problem? "Maybe" is where those ratings come in. We can't yay or nay it so just say "why not both?"

I just wanted a second opinion if I should just axe it altogether. Sorry about that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I just wanted a second opinion if I should just axe it altogether. Sorry about that.

I'm not mad it's just... straight up, that's what Possibly is for.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Armorchompy]

Currently, all all the low and mid tier characters are upscaled from 9-A via the MK1 Test Your Might calculation. I propose we replace this with Jade's 8-C+ MK3 fatality to scale to everyone.

It can scale to everyone because Jade is comparable to other Outworlders, especially given how the likes of Reptile was chosen to support her in her mission to capture Kitana. In the prelude to MK2, Johnny Cage could fight on par with Baraka, a renown Outworld warrior, and participated in the Outworld tournament. There's no indication that Johnny Cage when through any significant training or growth in strength in the timeframe between the tournaments, so MK1 era characters can scale as well.

That latter part is important because, as established last time, Goro upscales Johnny Cage, and MK2 Shang Tsung upscales his old MK1 self who is comparable to the MK1 fighters. Since the difference between Jade's value and baseline High 8-C is 1.02 times, MK2 Shang Tsung and Goro should be upscaled to High 8-C, and MK3 Shang Tsung should be rated as "at least High 8-C" via being granted even more power than before. Similar upscaling should be applied to Sub-Zero via his Dragon Medallion and ancestral armor

The slightly revised scaling chain for the low-mid tiers should look like this:

Are fatalities considered usable? I remember some MK having some issues in this regard. Provided they are, sure. The calc is a little goofy but it's far from the stupidest accepted KE feat we have.

Since no one else has yet, I made a profile for Midway Liu Kang based on the previously accepted scaling chain (he's a high tier, so Proposal 1 doesn't affect this). But there is one thing I included that needs discussion.

I rated his enraged state in MK3 as "possibly Low 7-B", potentially upscaling the Lin Kuei cyborgs' self-destruction, which we know Cyrax and Sektor can do. The rationale is that Liu Kang was stated to be the biggest threat to Shao Kahn's invasion among the humans. This statement could possibly include the Cyber Lin Kuei's self-destruction, depending on what "human" means in this context.

On the one hand, it might exclusively refer to non-cybernetic warriors, like Stryker, Kung Lao, Jax, Sonya, etc. Sektor's bio describes him as formerly human, so that may support this interpretation. On the other hand, it might just be referring to Earthrealmers as a whole, since Outworlders technically aren't humans and the majority of Shao Kahn's army was composed of centaurs. It's kind of ambiguous, so I'll leave it up to you to decide.

To me the problem is less the specifics of what "human" means and more that AP isn't the only thing contributing to what the "biggest threat" is, and self-destruction is particularly unwieldy. A rifle can be a more dangerous weapon than a suicide bomber vest, and a person who can throw a High 8-C punch every second of every day of their lives can do much more damage than a person who can explode with tier 7 force once.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Are fatalities considered usable? I remember some MK having some issues in this regard. Provided they are, sure. The calc is a little goofy but it's far from the stupidest accepted KE feat we have.

I figured it ought to be fine if nothing contradicts said fatalities, I'm not arguing for Smoke or Jax's fatality or anything like that.

Considering this wiki accepts the Test Your Might stuff for MK currently, the Street Fighter profiles accept barrel and car smashing from minigames, the Smash Bros profiles accept Final Smashes as canon, their is precident for using feats that aren't strictly from a game's narrative.

To me the problem is less the specifics of what "human" means and more that AP isn't the only thing contributing to what the "biggest threat" is, and self-destruction is particularly unwieldy. A rifle can be a more dangerous weapon than a suicide bomber vest, and a person who can throw a High 8-C punch every second of every day of their lives can do much more damage than a person who can explode with tier 7 force once.

I understand that, do you think even the "possibly" rating shouldn't be used?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We usually avoid using fatalities for scaling purposes due to being non-canon eye candy animations. Though there are exceptions if done in the canon cutscenes, such as Scorpion using the famous Spine Rip on the original Sub-Zero in MK9.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

We usually avoid using fatalities for scaling purposes due to being non-canon eye candy animations. Though there are exceptions if done in the canon cutscenes, such as Scorpion using the famous Spine Rip on the original Sub-Zero in MK9.

That does make sense. But could it also be argued that fatalities are just as much demonstrations of a character’s abilities?

I think it should be acceptable to use fatalities that are grounded in skills we know the character’s canonically have. That seems to be the standard for other fighting games on this wiki.

 

[Armorchompy]

That does make sense. But could it also be argued that fatalities are just as much demonstrations of a character’s abilities?

I think it should be acceptable to use fatalities that are grounded in skills we know the character’s canonically have. That seems to be the standard for other fighting games on this wiki.

Aren't there tier 5 fatalities? Picking and choosing which ones are acceptable seems like it's just an attempt at hiding the outlier.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The fact that in 2026 we question fatalities if they are usable or not or deny some having tier 5 power to them just shows how this verse died both on this forum and irl too

As if you cant make a logical decision to see what should work or not, let alone the fact that fatalities/brutalities got used in comics and games too, like Mileena and Dvorah in recent ones

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The fact that in 2026 we question fatalities if they are usable or not or deny some having tier 5 power to them just shows how this verse died both on this forum and irl too

As if you cant make a logical decision to see what should work or not, let alone the fact that fatalities/brutalities got used in comics and games too, like Mileena and Dvorah in recent ones

I mainly paraphrased what the classic consensus was way back when, but I do emphasize with your sentiments.

 

[Legion350]

If we are going to write off entirely fatalities because of the existence of the Cyrax Tier 5 thing, and any non cut scene feat, then why are we using Test Your Might to scale most of the cast everyone?

Also it takes for granted the fact that half of the Midway MK series [I-IV] were made to be arcade games first so there are going to be less cutscenes for the earlier games anyways.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

A lot of things from back then didnt help Mortal Kombat at all, restricting fatalities when so much of them show what they can pull off, restricting whats canon for it or usable, like character endings, scaling physically to merging realms and such feats or splitting midway from netherrealm (9 to 11), as if they were as different as marvel 616 to ultimate to 2099 etc, just cuz of some retcons and changes, which most franchises dont even pull a narrative move like MK is just insane

Either way, if this verse is to change or get updates, most of these things from the past literally needs to die out, like trying to exclude all fatalities due to some being more out there, the tier 5 stuff arent anyway a reason to get excluded either, simply say its tier 5 via whatever they use and call it a day, captain america and wolverine have stuff above their physicals accepted, with a much wider gap