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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

noninho said:
With all due respect: if in 3 months you suggest the same thing and your thread get rejected again, I'll be making a CRT for a forum rule making this a settled topic and banning the creation of more threads about the matter on the next day.

Please stop it
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If I were to do this again, I may instead suggest renaming to “Star Wars (Disney)” and “Star Wars (Expanded Universe)”

I really am against Disney Canon Star Wars just being called “Star Wars” on VS Wiki as it’s a misnomer, it’s not the Star Wars that was authored by George Lucas (or G-canon) but Disney creating their own canon around the 6 films
 
Phsccarvalho said:
You didn't mention which character keys will be affected. Luke, for example, has several keys.
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Whenever I didn't mention keys is cuz I think apply to every key in the profile, if that's not the case, tell me and I'll change it

Phsccarvalho said:
Besides, the Jedi Masters should definitely be able to climb it too. Considering the feat was accomplished by Jedi Knights and a Padawan, I think they would at least be comparable to them.
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If you say so, depending on the master id advocate for an "At most" or something like it (Ki Adi Mundi haterrrrr)

Phsccarvalho said:
Besides other things like Luke EBS having the strength to face Vader and Kylo being able to defeat that Luke. I don't know why Kylo wasn't mentioned.
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Completely forgor, will be adding him and Rey.
You also remembered me to put a note beside P-Endor Sidious cuz that guy may be attacking Relativistic but he is not moving on that speed

Phsccarvalho said:
This is a list of all our tier 8A Force sensitives, whether from Kanan or Vader, and their keys.

I think it would be good if you made a blog post and gave a brief explanation for each one as to why that character scales or doesn't scale, like I did here when the plan was tier 7.

I didn't include the Mandalorians, but they all fall into the category of needing equipment to face Jedi.

(If any character or key is missing, you can update this)
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tysm

Think instead of a blog, since the explanations are quite brief, i can put them there, maybe editing a bit in the beginning to tell that this is going to be a bit lengthy. Think some of the profiles that all keys scale won't be needing that every key is mentioned. Lemme repost when edits are done and you tell me if it's cool.
Note that i'll be updating the list with the Mandalorians that scale, but i won't just give credit to their equipment
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
If I were to do this again, I may instead suggest renaming to “Star Wars (Disney)” and “Star Wars (Expanded Universe)”

I really am against Disney Canon Star Wars just being called “Star Wars” on VS Wiki as it’s a misnomer, it’s not the Star Wars that was authored by George Lucas (or G-canon) but Disney creating their own canon around the 6 films
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Again, beware - as @Qawsedf234 mentioned - to not repeat the exact same claim, and i make you aware that i'll be making it a rule to get this as a settled topic (barring other attempts to do so) if you get rejected.
I respect (and understand, despite disagreeing) your opinion and claim but this is quite spammy and occupying our CRT slots with stuff that only you agree.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@noninho



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PLEASE tell me this is actually useful, cuz i won't tolerate any second of High-Republic content that only has Yoda mentioned as a comparison of something twice in the entire book.

Not your fault if it was so, don't get me wrong, i'm just really tired cuz it happened in like 6 of those books you sent me lmfao
 
noninho said:
I may be very interested in studying this canon later
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I believe then we can just call that “Star Wars” because it’s really Lucas’ authorship without any outside influence of Lucasfilm or Disney or otherwise much like how the Jojo’s manga profile is Araki’s authorship without any outside influence
 
noninho said:
Whenever I didn't mention keys is cuz I think apply to every key in the profile, if that's not the case, tell me and I'll change it
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So you think Luke from the 2015 comics fits the bill? Because if so, I think all the new Force sensitives on the page would scale as well.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
If I were to do this again, I may instead suggest renaming to “Star Wars (Disney)” and “Star Wars (Expanded Universe)”

I really am against Disney Canon Star Wars just being called “Star Wars” on VS Wiki as it’s a misnomer, it’s not the Star Wars that was authored by George Lucas (or G-canon) but Disney creating their own canon around the 6 films
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Your CRT has already been rejected.
 
noninho said:
If you say so, depending on the master id advocate for an "At most" or something like it (Ki Adi Mundi haterrrrr)
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I’d maybe recommend giving the Rise of the Sith Epic Collections a read, the comics in it really do a great job at characterizing and humanizing Mundi and make you feel angry for the fact that his family was killed off screen later
 
Phsccarvalho said:
So you think Luke from the 2015 comics fits the bill? Because if so, I think all the new Force sensitives on the page would scale as well.
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I don’t think so, because this is Luke with barely that much training, and inverse square more puts his durability at 9-A than anything else
 
@Phsccarvalho Might it be better to give the lightsaber a tier of "Varies" instead of an exact tier? By default they essentially can cut through anything and the strength of a lightsaber strike really should depend upon the AP and LS of the user
 
Phsccarvalho said:
So you think Luke from the 2015 comics fits the bill? Because if so, I think all the new Force sensitives on the page would scale as well.
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But you put him there ;-;

I will be specifying that he doesn't belong

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I believe then we can just call that “Star Wars” because it’s really Lucas’ authorship without any outside influence of Lucasfilm or Disney or otherwise much like how the Jojo’s manga profile is Araki’s authorship without any outside influence
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won't repeat myself over again. Go there, it'll be rejected (and i always keep my word, no threat, just to say that i warned ya)

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I’d maybe recommend giving the Rise of the Sith Epic Collections a read, the comics in it really do a great job at characterizing and humanizing Mundi and make you feel angry for the fact that his family was killed off screen later
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Nah, he incarnates everything bad that people correctly say about the Council, but blame Yoda. And that while having the right to have a romantic relantionship, which if given to Ani would make Sidious have a M U C H harder time brainwashing him to the Dark Side, which is another thing people put the blame onto Yoda.

I despise him quite much and that won't change soon if ever.

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
You don’t need to read it, just screenshot where it talks about Yoda
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I ask once again: Is there anything relevant about Yoda that you detected there, or more reaffirmation of something that is already in the profile?
Not your fault if the second case is true or diminishing your finding, it's just that if i took 2 things out of 20+ High-Republic material, it's much, so i'm quite resistant to checking anything about it.

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Phsccarvalho Might it be better to give the lightsaber a tier of "Varies" instead of an exact tier? By default they essentially can cut through anything and the strength of a lightsaber strike really should depend upon the AP and LS of the user
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Agree to it, putting it like "Unknown, Varies depending on the user" or cutting the first but keeping the latter
 
noninho said:
Agree to it, putting it like "Unknown, Varies depending on the user" or cutting the first but keeping the latter
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It's not exactly unknown, since as it's heat, it produces energy that can be translated into AP, although it's a much smaller amount (the core of a star, as far as I remember, would produce 9-A).

But I agree that 8-A is probably not correct; I think the profile should also indicate that heat can negate durability.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
It's not exactly unknown, since as it's heat, it produces energy that can be translated into AP, although it's a much smaller amount (the core of a star, as far as I remember, would produce 9-A).

But I agree that 8-A is probably not correct; I think the profile should also indicate that heat can negate durability.
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Although while the heat is known, a lightsaber by itself doesn't have LS, and it's not like Cassie Cryar is suddenly 8-A or equal to any Jedi with one
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Although while the heat is known, a lightsaber by itself doesn't have LS, and it's not like Cassie Cryar is suddenly 8-A or equal to any Jedi with one
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LS? But we never put Lifting Strength on the lightsaber.

Also, some weapons on the wiki have their own APs independent of how strong the user is.

The lightsaber has the same thing, derived from the heat energy it produces, so it wouldn't be listed as unknown, so it would probably be something like "varies, x (minimum heat value) to unknown (depends on the user)".
 
Phsccarvalho said:
LS? But we never put Lifting Strength on the lightsaber.
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But the person using the lightsaber would have lifting strength and would apply it when striking with it

Phsccarvalho said:
Also, some weapons on the wiki have their own APs independent of how strong the user is.
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That's because the have lore or feats or statements to justify their AP, it's not the same for a lightsaber

Edit: Also, the strength of a lightsaber depends upon the crystal used to focus the blade, which is its own can of worms
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
But the person using the lightsaber would have lifting strength and would apply it when striking with it
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We never grant any LS to characters who can wield a lightsaber, because it's lightweight, anyone can hold one.

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
That's because the have lore or feats or statements to justify their AP, it's not the same for a lightsaber
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It's the same thing for the lightsaber. The lightsaber generates its own AP derived from heat. Enough heat to cut through almost anything in the verse. So if a guy who isn't as strong as a Jedi wielded it, he would have that minimum level of power a lightsaber usually has.

Then it would be "x, y with a lightsaber, the lightsaber can negate durability through heat manipulation."

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Edit: Also, the strength of a lightsaber depends upon the crystal used to focus the blade, which is its own can of worms
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The second link is legends.

And where in the first link does it talk about the type of kyber crystal changing the power/temperature/power of a lightsaber?
 
According to The Star Wars Book, the armor that Obi-Wan stole from a random Mandalorian super commando was specifically beskar, though I'm not sure how common beskar armor is actually meant to be among Death Watch's forces, as Mandalorians don't really have a great track record withstanding blasters or lightsabers throughout The Clone Wars.

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