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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Question: on one of the books Hagane gave me to read, it's shown that 120MGLT is the speed of the fastest ship in the galaxy.

Grandmaster Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin (and technically R2D2 who was with all of them,) and Ahsoka pilot a ship that is 118MGLT. Would this warrant them "Enhanced Vehicular Mastery" or not?

Question 2: Which games are canon? Are skills from, for example, Battlefront 2 still usable?
 
noninho said:
Which games are canon?
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From what I've looked for, these are the ones.
  1. Star Wars Uprising (2015)
  2. Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2017)
  3. Star Wars: Droid Repair Bay (2017)
  4. Vader Immortal: A Star Wars VR Series (2019)
  5. Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order (2019)
  6. Star Wars: Squadrons (2020)
  7. Star Wars: Tales From The Galaxy's Edge (2020)
  8. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor (2023)
  9. Star Wars: Hunters (2024)
  10. Star Wars: Outlaws (2024)
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noninho said:
Are skills from, for example, Battlefront 2 still usable?
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Those 3 heroic abilities I think so (I mean it has already been accepted in the profiles). When you play with a hero in the campaign they can use these abilities (Like Luke, Leia and Han Solo).
 
noninho said:
Question: on one of the books Hagane gave me to read, it's shown that 120MGLT is the speed of the fastest ship in the galaxy.

Grandmaster Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin (and technically R2D2 who was with all of them,) and Ahsoka pilot a ship that is 118MGLT. Would this warrant them "Enhanced Vehicular Mastery" or not?
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It could be argued that regular pilots have MFTL+ reaction due to being able to navigate to Exegol without the Sith Wayfinder at Hyperspace
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
That whole thing never made sense to me, its one of the biggest plot conveniences in the movie and thats saying a lot.
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I get you, but we're here not to critique writing choices, we just scale based upon how the writers choose to depict the feats in question.

I for example hate the Cell Arc, but that does not keep me from outright denying the strength of the characters in that arc
 
Interesting quote although it comes from Palpatine's actor, so I don't think it's usable.
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[Book] Star Wars The Skywalker Saga The Official Collector's
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Phsccarvalho said:
1 - We can just apply now and follow what's currently accepted on the profile. Since everyone's 8-A is due to the downscale compared to Vader, we can simply go with that with the calculations (which will end up applying to everyone), and perhaps use Kanan and Erza as an argument to say "there's downscaling because they don't get hit kills."
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Just one thing, I don't care who wants to do this. It wouldn't really disrupt anything, maybe just the issue of vsthreads being removed later. But that's just a "what if," since the CRT I plan to make about this total downscaling might be rejected.

I don't want to be the kind of guy who wants to "control" the verse. Saying things like, "Don't do this, wait for future revisions, they're planned." I can't promise when something will happen, and there have been versions with similar things, and it either took years for a CRT to happen or it never happened.

The Star Wars canon has even gone through this on the wiki.

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I just think that in this CRT someone may question this huge downscaling, and this will open a discussion for which I think it should be better prepared. But of course, if in this CRT applying Low 7-C/Class G you decide to apply this for now and leave to review if the downscaling is still valid for later, I also don't see any problems.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I'd like to do a survey here. (canon)

What do you personally prefer regarding Vader's Low 7-C and Class G calculations? They were accepted.

1 - We can just apply now and follow what's currently accepted on the profile. Since everyone's 8-A is due to the downscale compared to Vader, we can simply go with that with the calculations (which will end up applying to everyone), and perhaps use Kanan and Erza as an argument to say "there's downscaling because they don't get hit kills."

2 - Wait until all current character calculations are on blogs (instead of the Naruto forum) and evaluated, in addition to perhaps more accepted support calculations. And of course, take a look at which scale and which calculation. This option will probably result in a downgrade for some of the characters, since guys at Grand Inquisitor and Kanan level and below (first season) probably wouldn't scale to Vader. Unless there are more feats at that level to scale.

3 - Basically the same as above, but instead of waiting longer for more support calculations, we would just work with the current calculations and past recalculations from the naruto forum for vsbattle blog formats that are already on the verse page.



The first is basically for those who want to start matches with Sidious or Vader Low 7-C/Class G (and other characters). However, lower-level characters may no longer scale for this in the future, and the matches would be removed.

The other two are for further organizing the verse, but it could probably take a long time depending on luck. It could take weeks or months, as it depends on the evaluations of the calculation staff.
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How many characters would currently scale to Low 7-C? This is from Vader right? There is always the option depending on the extent of affected pages to make the CRT now and then apply the outdated page category to characters that need updated scaling/calculations.
 
Legion350 said:
How many characters would currently scale to Low 7-C? This is from Vader right?
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Since the feat is done in the "Rebels and Onward" period, it would be applied to this Vader key. And everyone 8-A (that is, all Jedi/Sith on the page) currently downscales Vader from this key, all 8-A would become Low 7-C.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Since the feat is done in the "Rebels and Onward" period, it would be applied to this Vader key. And everyone 8-A (that is, all Jedi/Sith on the page) currently downscales Vader from this key, all 8-A would become Low 7-C.
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I’m not sure it I agree with having all of the characters at 8-A upgraded to Low 7-C. There are many 8-A characters that don’t have a valid downscaling from Vader, like Inquisitors, Kanan/Ezra. He was already superior in Maul and Dooku in his first canon key.

Also, I realized a lot of the scaling that mentions Word of God is old and unsourced. For example, the statement comparing Ventress and the Grand Inquisitor was added almost a decade ago, which means it’s from before Season 7 at least.

In this case, I think it makes sense to make a CRT applied only to Vader and hash out the overall scaling then. That way, some revisions can still happen. But using it to upgrade every 8-A force user is a bad idea in my opinion.
 
Legion350 said:
I’m not sure it I agree with having all of the characters at 8-A upgraded to Low 7-C. There are many 8-A characters that don’t have a valid downscaling from Vader, like Inquisitors, Kanan/Ezra. He was already superior in Maul and Dooku in his first canon key.
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That's why I mentioned options 2 and 3.

Option 1 would be to simply apply what's currently accepted (everyone experiences downscaling) and decide whether or not downscaling is valid later.

Legion350 said:
In this case, I think it makes sense to make a CRT applied only to Vader and hash out the overall scaling then. That way, some revisions can still happen. But using it to upgrade every 8-A force user is a bad idea in my opinion.
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All 8-A's are already downscaled for Vader, which is why they are 8-A.

I mentioned the calculations because if we review them and agree that downscaling is no longer valid, we'll have to look at the next values. However, the problem with the verse is that calculations are in the Naruto forum or on the page even though they've never been evaluated (8-B Ashoka).

Currently, recalculations have been made, but they will take some time to be evaluated.
 
Only a few characters scaled to Vader's own 8-A feat. Some of them scale to a different 8-A feat through Kanan and Ezra

Examples of characters who downscale from Vader are Ahsoka and Maul during the time of Rebels
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Only a few characters scaled to Vader's own 8-A feat. Some of them scale to a different 8-A feat through Kanan and Ezra

Examples of characters who downscale from Vader are Ahsoka and Maul during the time of Rebels
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There is no other 8-A calculation. Vader's is the only one.
 
I remember someone posted a scan of Vader face tanking a massive meteor, wonder if that would be higher than low 7-C
 
hello good people
i'm more or less back now, got stupidly sick to my stomach and will now be answering who pinged me
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
It could be argued that regular pilots have MFTL+ reaction due to being able to navigate to Exegol without the Sith Wayfinder at Hyperspace
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i'm asking for way less than that lmfao but kinda made sense

Phsccarvalho said:
Interesting quote although it comes from Palpatine's actor, so I don't think it's usable.
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Of course it is, there's literally just one guy who knows more about the character than the guy who lived it, and it would be George Lucas
So yeah, a quote from one of the actors is - if not alone - a good source of any claim (like i said, i'm unironically putting Samuel L. Jackson to justify Yoda stuff lmfao)
 
I think I'll create more brackets for Vader, Kanan, Sidious, and Obi-Wan.

For Vader, I think just Post-Mustafar and Rebels, etc., is too broad considering his power increase.

The same goes for Sidious. He even got stronger within RotS itself (after facing Mace, he got stronger). I think RotS | Endor | Post-Endor is better.

For Obi-Wan, I think I'll just split RotS/ANH. Obi-Wan has gotten weaker since then (even since OWK).
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I think I'll create more brackets for Vader, Kanan, Sidious, and Obi-Wan.

For Vader, I think just Post-Mustafar and Rebels, etc., is too broad considering his power increase.

The same goes for Sidious. He even got stronger within RotS itself (after facing Mace, he got stronger). I think RotS | Endor | Post-Endor is better.

For Obi-Wan, I think I'll just split RotS/ANH. Obi-Wan has gotten weaker since then (even since OWK).
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All that was required was for me to drop the scaling chain for Carvalho to reach this conclusion

Kidding me, you gotta be lmfao
 
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