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"Listen-a-a-ay. Are you alone in that tin box of yours?" (Michael Afton vs The Intruder)

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Fight takes place in New Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria (The one that burned everyone alive).

Speed equalized.

Both 9-C.

Both are separated by 7 meters out of line of sight.
 
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I'm gonna have to give it to Michael. The Intruder has better stats, yeah, but he has no reliable way to put Mike down for good, other than "attack him really hard", and Mike's Supernatural Willpower should let him power through his fear manip at least to a degree, and Mike also has the range advantage with the taser, which the intruder has no counter to.

I'll wait to vote, but I'm leaning towards Mike.
 
I'm gonna have to give it to Michael. The Intruder has better stats, yeah, but he has no reliable way to put Mike down for good, other than "attack him really hard", and Mike's Supernatural Willpower should let him power through his fear manip at least to a degree, and Mike also has the range advantage with the taser, which the intruder has no counter to.

I'll wait to vote, but I'm leaning towards Mike.
Does tearing off Michael's head not gonna do the job though? Besides, Pale Visitor over here took down an entire squad of armed personnel (wielding Automatic Kalashnikov 47s) with  no bullet wound on his body as in he is slipperily skilled which would allow him to avoid being tasered.
 
Does tearing off Michael's head not gonna do the job though?
For that he would have to be way greater in strength to Mike than he is. Which is not the case.
Besides, Pale Visitor over here took down an entire squad of armed personnel (wielding Automatic Kalashnikov 47s) with  no bullet wound on his body as in he is slipperily skilled which would allow him to avoid being tasered.
Ah, didn't see that. Although he has no resistance to electricity, and it seems to be in the profile as a durability feet of tanking gunshots, with the athletic human being from being similar to them. It's kinda ambiguos, really. Did he evade them? Did he tank them? Did he stealth it out?
 
For that he would have to be way greater in strength to Mike than he is. Which is not the case.
Class 5 Vs Average Human
Ah, didn't see that. Although he has no resistance to electricity, and it seems to be in the profile as a durability feet of tanking gunshots, with the athletic human being from being similar to them. It's kinda ambiguos, really. Did he evade them? Did he tank them? Did he stealth it out?
Personally I'd say he is one slippery boi because if he were not then he would at least have a few bullet wounds or scratched on his body but it is not present in the game for such marks.

But, maybe he can tank it as when being warned that the homeowner has a gun, he'd just scoff it off as if it were just a minor annoyance.
 
Class 5 Vs Average Human
This just means he can overpower his ls, not his durability. Lifting strength does not negate durability.
Personally I'd say he is one slippery boi because if he were not then he would at least have a few bullet wounds or scratched on his body but it is not present in the game for such marks.

But, maybe he can tank it as when being warned that the homeowner has a gun, he'd just scoff it off as if it were just a minor annoyance.
Well, like I said, ambigous.
 
This just means he can overpower his ls, not his durability. Lifting strength does not negate durability.
Tearing off heads is strictly a LS thing. AP requires you to punch off that head or crush it. And Michael has lower LS which means nothing prevents Pale Visitor from tearing off any of his limbs honestly.
 
Tearing off heads is strictly a LS thing. AP requires you to punch off that head or crush it. And Michael has lower LS which means nothing prevents Pale Visitor from tearing off any of his limbs honestly.
He can do it with enough time, yeah, but again, LS does not negate durability. Tearing off is, of course, exclusively an LS feat, but that does not mean you can simply disregard durability if the opponent's LS is low enough. He won't be able to just go there, and tear him apart. It'll take some time, which Mike can use to retaliate.
 
He can do it with enough time, yeah, but again, LS does not negate durability. Tearing off is, of course, exclusively an LS feat, but that does not mean you can simply disregard durability if the opponent's LS is low enough. He won't be able to just go there, and tear him apart. It'll take some time, which Mike can use to retaliate.
I'm just saying Afton's body is just your ordinary human body and not something robotic with an endoskeleton. His body's tensile strength remains the same as any regular ol' human which means Pale Visitor wouldn't have trouble snapping his neck with one arm or tearing off his head in this battle. Something VERY in-character for him to do.
 
I think Remnant allows to survive without a head 🤔
Doesn't mean he can put himself back together like his family. Besides, I think pale visitor would just dismember him if given the opportunity that Afton is still alive.
 
Doesn't mean he can put himself back together like his family. Besides, I think pale visitor would just dismember him if given the opportunity that Afton is still alive.
He probably can, but regardless, he can live without his head, and all he need is a single successful taser strike vs Intruder ripping each limb off. I would bet on Mike here. It seems more likely at least. Plus I think Mike’s Flashlight is incredibly useful here as well, to blind the Intruder temporarily.
 
He probably can, but regardless, he can live without his head, and all he need is a single successful taser strike vs Intruder ripping each limb off. I would bet on Mike here. It seems more likely at least. Plus I think Mike’s Flashlight is incredibly useful here as well, to blind the Intruder temporarily.
Not sure about the flashlight due to the fact visitors can navigate during daylight hours when staring at the light outside of shelter can render ye blind. Besides that, a taser shot is quite easy to avoid when Pale Visitor can take down a squad of armed gunmen without a single scratch on his person. This is in addition to the fact that the Pale Visitor is very sneaky, here is an example: he managed to take a homeowner's shotgun from inside the house, go outside, stare at the homeowner dead in the eyes through a window with a s***-eating grin and proceeded to snap his shotgun in half which caused the homeowner to flee his own house.
 
Not sure about the flashlight due to the fact visitors can navigate during daylight hours when staring at the light outside of shelter can render ye blind.
Oh can they? Nevermind then. I was just under the impression (due to having very passing familiarity with the lore) that they only walk and hunt at nights. Though in that case he should have resistance to Light Manipulation.

Besides that, a taser shot is quite easy to avoid when Pale Visitor can take down a squad of armed gunmen without a single scratch on his person.
That’s a non-factor, considering the feat is off camera with little detail, plus here both will be fairly close and harder to dodge.

This is in addition to the fact that the Pale Visitor is very sneaky
Mike is sneakier, as he can sneak around characters with enhanced senses.
 
Oh can they? Nevermind then. I was just under the impression (due to having very passing familiarity with the lore) that they only walk and hunt at nights. Though in that case he should have resistance to Light Manipulation.
I'll add it if I have a chance to make one.
That’s a non-factor, considering the feat is off camera with little detail, plus here both will be fairly close and harder to dodge.
It is a factor if you consider the armed squad weren't even separated they were very close together and were dispatched mere inches from one another. Keep in mind, they were armed with Automatic Klashnikovs, which means he is skilled in dealing with ranged weaponry while only having melee reach.
Mike is sneakier, as he can sneak around characters with enhanced senses.
How enhanced? Is it better than this?

 
It is a factor if you consider the armed squad weren't even separated they were very close together and were dispatched mere inches from one another. Keep in mind, they were armed with Automatic Klashnikovs, which means he is skilled in dealing with ranged weaponry while only having melee reach.
Eh... Or they are incompetent, or he is bulletproof and doesn't care, or a multitude of other reasons. There's a fair share of possibilities when you deal with horror 🤷‍♂️
How enhanced? Is it better than this?
Funtime animatronics can see in pitch black dark room with no light and should upscale from Foxy's hearing, who did this and this. I do feel like it is better, especially with an upscale.
 
Eh... Or they are incompetent, or he is bulletproof and doesn't care, or a multitude of other reasons. There's a fair share of possibilities when you deal with horror

🤷‍♂️
They were military personnel, they aren't that bad at their jobs. Gotta stop downplayin' the game's npcs.
Funtime animatronics can see in pitch black dark room with no light and should upscale from Foxy's hearing, who did this and this. I do feel like it is better, especially with an upscale.
Impressive in that regard. But i do think Pale Visitor edges out slightly due to the fact he can hear whispers from within a house while he is a sizeable distance away while the sound of those whispers that are trapped by many more layers of thick wood walls. Also, we have to take into account there is a significant amount of sound outside the house compared to the inside which makes his senses alarmingly sharper. Foxy was very close to the kid anyways, by 2 feet or less in that scenario when he heard the muffled giggle.
 
They were military personnel, they aren't that bad at their jobs. Gotta stop downplayin' the game's npcs.
I know, I know, the point I am trying to make is that we don't know how he acts and fights except for that ending cutscene, and an off-screen feat is a supporting evidence at best, and doesn't really apply to this scenario. That's a general problem of off-screen feats.
Foxy was very close to the kid anyways, by 2 feet or less in that scenario when he heard the muffled giggle.
Wasn't a giggle, 1st states it was an almost imperceptible sound specifically. Second though, is more impressive, since he hears you basically from the other side of the pizzeria. Looking at the map, Foxy (Red dot) can hear you when you are in the Restrooms (Cam 7). Again, it's hard to gauge, but the upscale should put him over, though it's "agree to disagree" thing I suppose.
 
I'm just saying Afton's body is just your ordinary human body and not something robotic with an endoskeleton. His body's tensile strength remains the same as any regular ol' human which means Pale Visitor wouldn't have trouble snapping his neck with one arm or tearing off his head in this battle. Something VERY in-character for him to do.
His dura is not regular human
 
I know, I know, the point I am trying to make is that we don't know how he acts and fights except for that ending cutscene, and an off-screen feat is a supporting evidence at best, and doesn't really apply to this scenario. That's a general problem of off-screen feats.
That's fair.
Wasn't a giggle, 1st states it was an almost imperceptible sound specifically. Second though, is more impressive, since he hears you basically from the other side of the pizzeria. Looking at the map, Foxy (Red dot) can hear you when you are in the Restrooms (Cam 7). Again, it's hard to gauge, but the upscale should put him over, though it's "agree to disagree" thing I suppose.
Ok, that is impressive. But wouldn't it be a little easier to hear something almost inside a building than hearing something very faint from outside a building though? Which is the harder of the 2?
 
Ok, that is impressive. But wouldn't it be a little easier to hear something almost inside a building than hearing something very faint from outside a building though? Which is the harder of the 2?
Thing is, I have no idea how large the house is compared to the pizzeria. Pizzeria is fairly large, with multiple walls and 3 other robots in the way. House has multiple rooms, but there can be any number of different guests in different rooms 🤷‍♂️
 
Thing is, I have no idea how large the house is compared to the pizzeria. Pizzeria is fairly large, with multiple walls and 3 other robots in the way. House has multiple rooms, but there can be any number of different guests in different rooms 🤷‍♂️
Is the pizzaria you're mentioning the exact one mentioned in the OP? Cause I did not know what to call it.
 
Look, since Michael and Pale Visitor have viable wincons that can occur without much difficulty. Both of them having around the same degree of enhanced senses and stealth that cancel each other out. Can we settle for an incon as it seems likely for both to win as much as they lose in this matchup?
 
Visitor's has only one wincon, which is dismembering Mike, as any normal attack will deal little to no damage (9-B durability).

In turn, Afton Jr. needs only one successful attack with a taser. He has higher durability, Immortality, questionable, but regen... possible Reactive Evolution (depending on the interpretation), infinite Stamina, and better intelligence (by technicality). And having comparable AP, his attacks would actually damage the Visitor.

Like, in my head as I see it at least, even in the best scenario for the Visitor, he'd have to be constantly dismembering Mike, who'd in turn start healing faster and faster due to his RE. I am not even sure the Visitor can follow any of the SBA Victory conditions... 🤔
 
Visitor's has only one wincon, which is dismembering Mike, as any normal attack will deal little to no damage (9-B durability).
Ye. (I actually didn't notice he had 9-B Dura before making this match)
In turn, Afton Jr. needs only one successful attack with a taser. He has higher durability, Immortality, questionable, but regen... possible Reactive Evolution (depending on the interpretation), infinite Stamina, and better intelligence (by technicality). And having comparable AP, his attacks would actually damage the Visitor.
That is true, but considering the fact that aside from murdering an entire squad of gunmen. The visitor can also induce fear to the point that even an armed man is too afraid to shoot him while he walks up and chokes the life out of him, that very same man who was willing to go on a fire fight with a similarly armed vigilante without fear but rage.
Like, in my head as I see it at least, even in the best scenario for the Visitor, he'd have to be constantly dismembering Mike, who'd in turn start healing faster and faster due to his RE. I am not even sure the Visitor can follow any of the SBA Victory conditions... 🤔
How fast does Michael heal every time?
The visitor will tear his his entire body apart (as shown in one of the endings when you made it to the last day but with a single visitor present with the group regardless of the total number of non-visitors, the ending specifically says that they will tear your body apart to the point of death).
 
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