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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

No joke, in Captain America (Vol. 3) #12; 1998, freaking Steve Rogers beat the crap out of Nightmare because he became the embodiment of the American Dream by entering his dimension and lots of people believe in him☠️.
We should probably have a note about that on his profile. Like list under "weaknesses" that he can be beat by characters like that.
 
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Ts so tuff
 
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Image Nico Minoru becoming new sorcerer supreme and still wasn't able to do same spell 2 times. I really think that she weakest mage in verse, she was trashed by every mage that she met.
 
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Image Nico Minoru becoming new sorcerer supreme and still wasn't able to do same spell 2 times. I really think that she weakest mage in verse, she was trashed by every mage that she met.
Nico is part of a very powerful witch bloodline that unfortunately came to depend too much on the staff instead of their innate magic.
But comics don't give her enough consistency, she became teacher at the strange academy with her staff, except she doesn't have the staff anymore because it would corrupt her. She learned some magic spells and her current run is acting like she is useless without the staff and needs to learn magic on her own.
 
I don't. He's a Gary Stu and an extreme villain at the same time. 🙏
 
So is anybody else disturbed by what has been done to Donald Blake? First Donny Cates illogically defiles his character by turning him into an insane villain, then Loki casually systematically tortures him for a very prolonged period of time, and now Thor apparently steals his soul and humanity in order to get resurrected, which is decidedly very unheroic and uncharacteristic based on Thor's traditional characterisation I might add. It seems like Al Ewing isn't nearly as interested in redeeming Thor's characterisation as I initially thought. 🙏🙁
 

Hmm. If Wiccan reaches full Demiurge status, he might become the most powerful Marvel hero, despite how overpowered several others, including the Scarlet Witch, have become in recent years. But then, the current Storm writer seems dead-set on illogically wanking Storm as much as the seemingly nonexistent editor restraints let him get away with, and also does his best to degrade Thor in conjunction with the other Marvel writers. 🙏
 
So is anybody else disturbed by what has been done to Donald Blake? First Donny Cates illogically defiles his character by turning him into an insane villain, then Loki casually systematically tortures him for a very prolonged period of time, and now Thor apparently steals his soul and humanity in order to get resurrected, which is decidedly very unheroic and uncharacteristic based on Thor's traditional characterisation I might add. It seems like Al Ewing isn't nearly as interested in redeeming Thor's characterisation as I initially thought. 🙏🙁
I think the idea was less that Thor steals Donald Blake's humanity and soul but that Donald had lost it/no longer had a right to it due to the choices he'd made. Thor just drove the final nail in the coffin of the man that once was Donald Blake as is now just a serpent...

Still not a fan this is how Donald's ended up for now, but it is what it is.
 
Is there anything in particular that the wiki would like me to keep an eye out for while I'm doing my every-Thor-comic-ever read through? So far I'm indexing the following with their own folders for each form of Thor:

--Speed
--Attack Power
--Durability (including hax resistance)
--Stamina
--Willpower/Purity
--Hax
--God Blast
--Thermoblast
--Based Thor quotes
--Variability (explanations/examples of him holding back or tapping into his full power)

I'm also including potential antifeats for each category to try and quantitatively figure out which feats are PIS/outliers.

In addition to Thor, I also have folders for everyone he's encountered so far (up through Thor (1966) #382) and how they might scale, along with cosmological information for every realm or dimension he's visited, every time "the speed of thought" is used, and other sundry info and feats I found notable. There will likely be quite a few CRTs and new profiles coming from this project once it's completed about six months from now.

Also... Why don't we have a profile for Absorbing Man anymore? The dude is consistently a beast
 
Is there anything in particular that the wiki would like me to keep an eye out for while I'm doing my every-Thor-comic-ever read through? So far I'm indexing the following with their own folders for each form of Thor:

--Speed
--Attack Power
--Durability (including hax resistance)
--Stamina
--Willpower/Purity
--Hax
--God Blast
--Thermoblast
--Based Thor quotes
--Variability (explanations/examples of him holding back or tapping into his full power)

I'm also including potential antifeats for each category to try and quantitatively figure out which feats are PIS/outliers.

In addition to Thor, I also have folders for everyone he's encountered so far (up through Thor (1966) #382) and how they might scale, along with cosmological information for every realm or dimension he's visited, every time "the speed of thought" is used, and other sundry info and feats I found notable. There will likely be quite a few CRTs and new profiles coming from this project once it's completed about six months from now.

Also... Why don't we have a profile for Absorbing Man anymore? The dude is consistently a beast
Have you thought about possible hax layers?
What kind of feats did you find for Absorbing Man?
 
Have you thought about possible hax layers?
What kind of feats did you find for Absorbing Man?
I'm not super familiar with how the wiki defines hax layers. Will you let me know what to keep an eye on?

I'm on my phone without Wi-Fi so I can't upload the scans for AM, but so far he's copied Mjolnir's uru structure and magical properties, absorbed a dimensional portal, and then absorbed the Odinforce. Thor repeatedly refers to him as one of his most dangerous enemies
 
I'm not super familiar with how the wiki defines hax layers. Will you let me know what to keep an eye on?
I'm not exactly that much familiar into hax as far as I know layers refers require the character to overcame ones resistance to an hax through non numerical means.
I'm on my phone without Wi-Fi so I can't upload the scans for AM, but so far he's copied Mjolnir's uru structure and magical properties, absorbed a dimensional portal, and then absorbed the Odinforce. Thor repeatedly refers to him as one of his most dangerous enemies
I was expecting something more calculable, but I guess scaling absorbing Man to Thor when he absorbs Uru properties might be worth noting.
 
I'm not exactly that much familiar into hax as far as I know layers refers require the character to overcame ones resistance to an hax through non numerical means.

I was expecting something more calculable, but I guess scaling absorbing Man to Thor when he absorbs Uru properties might be worth noting.
I'll have to look more into that in the wiki. I've been recording instances of Thor resisting and succumbing to various forms of mental hax so hopefully once the relative power of those magics is established we'll see how he stacks up.

Absorbing Man should have a Varies tier for sure. He does seem like even when copying the structure of normal materials he's much stronger than the material itself (able to fight Thor when made of steel), and being able to copy the Odinforce is insane. I don't have much experience making profiles, but I'd suggest a "Varies with Absorption, at least 9-B, up to 1-A". More on that when I'm done with this project and can make CRTs with links to my thousands of scans I've collected
 
Is there anything in particular that the wiki would like me to keep an eye out for while I'm doing my every-Thor-comic-ever read through? So far I'm indexing the following with their own folders for each form of Thor:

--Speed
--Attack Power
--Durability (including hax resistance)
--Stamina
--Willpower/Purity
--Hax
--God Blast
--Thermoblast
--Based Thor quotes
--Variability (explanations/examples of him holding back or tapping into his full power)

I'm also including potential antifeats for each category to try and quantitatively figure out which feats are PIS/outliers.

In addition to Thor, I also have folders for everyone he's encountered so far (up through Thor (1966) #382) and how they might scale, along with cosmological information for every realm or dimension he's visited, every time "the speed of thought" is used, and other sundry info and feats I found notable. There will likely be quite a few CRTs and new profiles coming from this project once it's completed about six months from now.

Also... Why don't we have a profile for Absorbing Man anymore? The dude is consistently a beast
The last time I tried doing that with DC, I ended up so disappointed by the ridiculous amount of anti feats / non remotely above Tier 3 feats that existed.


Have you been through the same process or it is better?
 
Is there anything in particular that the wiki would like me to keep an eye out for while I'm doing my every-Thor-comic-ever read through
Please look for indications of the relative power of "High Heralds" like Thor, Thanos, Loki, etc. compared to "Skyfathers" like Odin. Any feats of characters fighting Skyfathers, or statements about their relative power, or characters fighting villains that threaten Odin. Things like that.
 
The last time I tried doing that with DC, I ended up so disappointed by the ridiculous amount of anti feats / non remotely above Tier 3 feats that existed.


Have you been through the same process or it is better?
I've been through the opposite process, actually. So far, the vast majority of Thor's losses are against a) foes explicitly stated to be stronger than him or b) enemies who don't have antifeats within the story. It's also abundantly clear that he holds back massively on Earth and is only truly at full power when fighting god level opponents (he also implies that he's stronger on Asgard than anywhere else).

He also has very favorable showings against Skyfather level opponents, and they're... Really consistent. I've been shocked at how comparably statted he is to Odin, and it's even implied that he's physically superior with Odin's edge only being his hax.
 
I've been through the opposite process, actually. So far, the vast majority of Thor's losses are against a) foes explicitly stated to be stronger than him or b) enemies who don't have antifeats within the story. It's also abundantly clear that he holds back massively on Earth and is only truly at full power when fighting god level opponents (he also implies that he's stronger on Asgard than anywhere else).
I meant actual feats? Like, actual showings of doing things, and not just "he fought against this dude, who fought against this other dude".
He also has very favorable showings against Skyfather level opponents, and they're... Really consistent. I've been shocked at how comparably statted he is to Odin, and it's even implied that he's physically superior with Odin's edge only being his hax.
I'm sure that's just because the times, currently he's definitely below a sky father by mere narrative.
 
I meant actual feats? Like, actual showings of doing things, and not just "he fought against this dude, who fought against this other dude".

I'm sure that's just because the times, currently he's definitely below a sky father by mere narrative.
Ohhh gotcha. Yeah there are quite a few. I'll upload all the scans when I finish. One that comes to mind is Thor hitting Jormungand with a strike that shook all the Nine Realms
 
Just 2 questions.
  • Would it be possible to have layers into marvel magic? Like 1 layer basic magic obviously I mean it in a different way than next level magic.
  • Shouldn't there be layers of hax between the different levels of magic usage? I think the page has support for magic of different levels being literally untouchable to lower magic users, so wouldn't even a low level sorcerer have at least 1 layer of hax above basic level magic?
 
I meant actual feats? Like, actual showings of doing things, and not just "he fought against this dude, who fought against this other dude".
Tbf from my experience it seems like Thor consistently has the highest direct feats of any Marvel hero. He isn't completely reliant on chainscaling to have a high rating, he's the one everyone's trying to chainscale their characters to.
 
Tbf from my experience it seems like Thor consistently has the highest direct feats of any Marvel hero. He isn't completely reliant on chainscaling to have a high rating, he's the one everyone's trying to chainscale their characters to.
Thor pretty much monopolizes Tier 1 Herald feats which is kinda funny
 
Just 2 questions.
  • Would it be possible to have layers into marvel magic? Like 1 layer basic magic obviously I mean it in a different way than next level magic.
High-Tier and Sorcerer Supreme Tier Sorcerers have 1 layer of basic magic hax
  • Shouldn't there be layers of hax between the different levels of magic usage? I think the page has support for magic of different levels being literally untouchable to lower magic users, so wouldn't even a low level sorcerer have at least 1 layer of hax above basic level magic?
The issue is that beings with basic magic such as demons and gods can overpower low-tier sorcerers.
 
How do you think a Death Battle between base Thor and Superman would go? Not who you think would win, but how the video would choose to analyze things
 
How do you think a Death Battle between base Thor and Superman would go? Not who you think would win, but how the video would choose to analyze things
They'd likely have Superman win.

Death Battle seemingly scales Superman to the absolute peak of DC cosmology due to the "Story of Superman," which is an interpretation of certain statements suggesting that Superman's abstract narrative is the foundation for all of DC and he's an immortal god due to embodying hope and the ideal of always saving the day (I strongly disagree with certain aspects of this, but meh).

The closest equivalent Thor has is being an abstract story due to his nature as a god, and all stories being born from the House of Ideas, but unlike with Superman, it's harder to interpret this as him actually scaling to the peak of the cosmology (especially when Ultima's cosmology blog indicates that stories born there are immediately "hammered" into shape to be placed in lower planes). The only other way to scale Thor to the absolute peak of the cosmology is via the statements from Immortal Thor confirming that Yggdrasil encompasses the House of Ideas (a.k.a. the Crown of Creation) at its peak, but that could cause scaling for future Death Battle episodes or be rendered invalid for multiple reasons (e.g. arguing that Yggdrasil has different levels that characters could affect depending on the context).
 
but that could cause scaling for future Death Battle episodes or be rendered invalid for multiple reasons (e.g. arguing that Yggdrasil has different levels that characters could affect depending on the context).
You're giving them too much credit.
They'd probably just say "Yeah, they did this", ignoring all context and wanking concepts that the comic itself doesn't take too serious.

Yes, blue Beetle "Theological impact weapon, I'm looking at you, you too, million decibels Cyborg.
 
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