Game Sonic hax downgrade/adjustment

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So metaphysical aspects (mind, soul, info, concept, etc) were clarified that they cant be higher dimensional smurf potency unless it was 1-A.

I'm just proposing Sonic downgrades to match this, which has frequent usage of this.

Here's what I found on Modern Sonic's profile where the dimensionality indicator should be removed as well as all other corresponding characters.

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [6-D],

Dream Manipulation & Conceptual Destruction (Type 1 [6-D]; Dreams have a fundamental nature within the multiverse due to it being where dreams become reality. The Chaos Emeralds are referred to as the super-substance of dreams,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-JPCM-261"><span>[</span>260<span>]</span></a> with the power of dreams being capable of awakening Super Sonic,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-SShuf-262"><span>[</span>261<span>]</span></a> and emotions are necessary for dreams to exist.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-SShuf-262"><span>[</span>261<span>]</span></a>. The Chaos Emeralds allowed Mephiles and Iblis to fuse back into Solaris, who immediately became a threat that would swallow all timelines and destroy the very meaning of time<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-S06Fin-27"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a> that additionally encompasses the existence of Maginaryworld and all the dreams contained within Fourth Dimensional Space that in itself is Illumina's dream<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-SShuf-262"><span>[</span>261<span>]</span></a>. Dr. Eggman stated Solaris' plan was to swallow all timelines and destroy the very meaning of time itself,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-S06Fin-27"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a> which would include Maginaryworld as a whole)

• Memory Manipulation (5-D; Having a Chaos Emerald prevented Sonic and Tails from being altered by an incident Eggman caused, which unknowingly warped reality and their history at large<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-286"><span>[</span>285<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Modern)#cite_note-287"><span>[</span>Note 2<span>]</span></a>)

• Conceptual Erasure (Type 1 [5-D], 1 Layer; Withstood all of reality being erased from the Time Eater erasing Dr. Eggman's past defeats, which would include the destruction of Maginaryworld. Even Amy, Tails, and Knuckles needed to be restored, who could withstand Void's darkness that threatened to destroy Maginaryworld)

• Memory Erasure, Soul Erasure, Data Erasure & Information Erasure (Type 2 [5-D]; Despite the Time Eater erasing Cyber Space, a realm comprised of fundamental information with souls, memories, and data, Sonic was unaffected)

• Emotion/Feeling Erasure, Dream Erasure & Mind Erasure (5-D; The Time Eater destroyed the dreams in Maginaryworld that would include destroying the dreams that people have which are representations of parts of the dreamer's mind or the emotions they represent)

So it's just a range feat for all the cosmology busters instead of potency.

 

[Johner2133451]

Does information count as metaphysical? Because it's kinda apart of reality, well the building blocks of it

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Does information count as metaphysical? Because it's kinda apart of reality, well the building blocks of it

Yes. Metaphysical aspects like concepts or information govern reality.

 

[Johner2133451]

Yes.

Could you show me where it's mentioned as such?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Could you show me where it's mentioned as such?

Metaphysical Aspects

The term Metaphysical Aspects refers to aspects of existence which are not part of the physical world, or spiritual aspects like mind or soul, but define or govern the world from the background. Examples include laws, causality, information, concepts, plot and also things our wiki does not list...

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[Dark_Soul20189]

Looks good, I agree.

 

[Johner2133451]

Metaphysical Aspects

The term Metaphysical Aspects refers to aspects of existence which are not part of the physical world, or spiritual aspects like mind or soul, but define or govern the world from the background. Examples include laws, causality, information, concepts, plot and also things our wiki does not list...

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Do you intend to include his archie comics? It has smurf haxes as well

Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave)

Sonic the Hedgehog, born Maurice Hedgehog, is the eponymous protagonist in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series and its spin-offs published by Archie Comics, of the same name. He is a mobian hedgehog gifted with incredible speed and the power to harness Chaos Energy. Known for an overconfident...

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• Soul Manipulation (6-D. Erased the Next Evolution, an entire spiritual higher plane of existence)

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Do you intend to include his archie comics? It has smurf haxes as well

Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave)

Sonic the Hedgehog, born Maurice Hedgehog, is the eponymous protagonist in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series and its spin-offs published by Archie Comics, of the same name. He is a mobian hedgehog gifted with incredible speed and the power to harness Chaos Energy. Known for an overconfident...

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• Soul Manipulation (6-D. Erased the Next Evolution, an entire spiritual higher plane of existence)

this is for game sonic. and i dont feel like doing anything else

 

[Shar122]

Looks fine..

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Aahhh, it should removed all higher dimensional metaphysical aspects (less than 1-a) potency without need for CRT

 

[SweetDao]

fair

 

[LaserPrecision]

I agree. (Tho calling it a downgrade is kinda dishonest since it's just conforming [what is now] nonsensical information to new standards. Adjustment does make more sense. Honestly, it would technically be more of a downgrade if said metaphysical aspects were treated as being 6D because it would imply it doesn't have the ability to affect higher dimensional things even with the proper range)

 

[McFriesGuy075]

So, it's technically not a potency downgrade per-se, rather that wether it's range affects higher-dimensional things or not, is that right?

 

[LaserPrecision]

So, it's technically not a potency downgrade per-se, rather that wether it's range affects higher-dimensional things or not, is that right?

Basically. Metaphysical abilities (Across all verses) aren't treated as being bound by dimensions anymore since they aren't physical (quantitative), but rather a quality (Which basically makes all metaphysical hax like, 1-A in potency). Their current potency rating would just be the range they can use the ability across.

 

[SweetDao]

So, it's technically not a potency downgrade per-se, rather that wether it's range affects higher-dimensional things or not, is that right?

Potency is baseline, like it doesn't change, it's not "6D" in potency for conceptual manipulation, for example. Now it's just "range smurf", if you will. Compared to a random 3D being able to manipulation concept and unable to reach/don't have the range to affect 6D being, Sonic will be able to.

 

[Theuser789]

I agree. Not much you can do to standard changes.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

So this is basically just more of a clarification to align with standard changes more than an actual downgrade? Just seems like more of a rules errata due to a change in language more than a downgrade that effects potency (technically).

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So this is basically just more of a clarification to align with standard changes more than an actual downgrade? Just seems like more of a rules errata due to a change in language more than a downgrade that effects potency (technically).

I guess so. It was a change people ignored for a while and assumed "higher-D" concept manip and the likes bypassed resistances of lower cosmology when the scope had nothing to do with those stuff.

 

[Eseseso]

I mean this is going to hit like 100 verses as well, so yeah removing the smurf stuff in regards to the new rules is fine by me.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Nothing much to say here other than... yeah, super simple, I agree.

I will likely alter the blogs affected to mention that the "potency" is now simply range. I won't alter them until this is accepted, of course.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bump

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah I mean obviously, good change.

 

[Reiner04]

Looks fine.

 

[Dalesean027]

This is fine

 

[HenshinIntervention]

This is self evident so I agree

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Seems legit. Pop off, Kangalang.

 

[JJSliderman]

Bump

 

[KLOL506]

Bump.

Just needs one more staff approval and it can be applied.

@Elizhaa @Theglassman12 @Maverick_Zero_X @DarkDragonMedeus All yours.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

i forgot about this since i got busy

 

[ItsMeat]

Agree with the proposed downgrades

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I mean this is going to hit like 100 verses as well, so yeah removing the smurf stuff in regards to the new rules is fine by me.

This technically hit every single verse that had smurf stuff, like half of the wiki at this point lol

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

This technically hit every single verse that had smurf stuff, like half of the wiki at this point lol

utter death to metaphysical smurf hax

 

[Eseseso]

This technically hit every single verse that had smurf stuff, like half of the wiki at this point lol

More like every smurf that isn't 1-A or above in potency, aka roughly 97% of them.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Makes sense.

 

[KLOL506]

Seems like we can apply this now.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

ah god how many profiles are there to do this on had this all figured out beforehand and now its been a while

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks simple enough.

 

[Elizhaa]

It is looks fine.

 

[JPTheGamer]

Easy agree

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump