Demon King & Arthur Pendragon`s Creation feats

[Igneel]

This thread is just to get dk and Arthur back to the solar system to multi solar system lvls or higher for Arthur

we all know of the calc of the dk being solar system lvl because of the thread righter who did the calc use kings perspective of time of him saying 20 yrs is a short time but that thread seams to be gone now, i`ve had problems with that calc as pointed out by some else that it was flawed due to the person presupposing that king is the narrator and he also used Diane as go show that short time could mean 200yrs, but that`s only the case if we presuppose that Diane is the narrator which we can`t prove. We also know thanks to Thetis that the fairies & Giants (king and Diane’s) perception of time is loose meaning they are not reliable and we know that long lived beings don’t have this issue like the demon clan ban Meliodas goddesses ect, all of there perception of time is normal we also have Meliodas saying that they only have 3 days, which implies 3 days is considered a long time, and Meliodas has been around 3000+yrs. we also see Diane and king get dates mixed up when it came to there wedding which is why Meliodas and Elizabeth missed it because they told him a different date and they forgot about it. And based on what we hear and know from the anime the narrator would be a human someone outside of the 7ds frame work. We also see how fast a portion of the supreme deity`s power can create things such as tarmiel and sariel creating there dimension with a ocean an atmospher and thick clouds ect in less than a second by them just saying the name of there grace, which we know its less than a second as we see weaker characters like power unsealed base meliodas saying 50+ words in less than a second casually and we see they blitzed estarosa meaning using this time frame is a low ball, as estarosa would be at least light speed by this point of time, since young goddesses can shoot out light beams which is already accepted to be light speed as its made of photons. so 20 yrs is a low end calc and i would say max it took a year for dk to create the demon realm and demons high ball would be days. its also logical to say that the narrator is the author so we should just use human perception of time.


now for Arthur, we already know he created camolot in a day because of diodora as a baby being poisoned by the demon kings Miasma and diodora is only alive becase of camalot keeping him alive which implies that arthur created camolot within that day as we see arthur bring ironside to camolot. and we see in camolot in one of the dimensions for the criminals there are multiple scans of it having multiple stars more than a 100 stars with 3 moons and we see in a cover page that gwain`s dimension that she lives with her dad and grama and ganpa, there are multiple stars more than 100 with a moon we also know there are more sub dimensions that have there own days and nights some not having days and some not having nights and we know some have countless stars. which all in all would be scale to arthur for creating it in a day 24hrs max. so his ap should be bare min multi solar to even galaxy lvl which i will shortly post a calc on this feat if the time frame for arthur is accepted.

 

[Damage3245]

all of there perception of time is normal we also have Meliodas saying that they only have 3 days, which implies 3 days is considered a long time

What does this have to do with three days being a long time? They only had three days because Elizabeth's curse, no?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

all of there perception of time is normal we also have Meliodas saying that they only have 3 days, which implies 3 days is considered a long time

Using that doesn't make sense. He's saying it would take a long time to reach the Demon King's level just by training, and then he says he only has three days. Based on the context of the conversation, he's not saying that three days is a long time — he's actually saying the exact opposite.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

now for Arthur, we already know he created camolot in a day because of diodora as a baby being poisoned by the demon kings Miasma and diodora is only alive becase of camalot keeping him alive which implies that arthur created camolot within that day as we see arthur bring ironside to camolot.

I don’t see that happening in just one day; Diodora was still in his mother’s womb when she was poisoned, and his mother arrived in Camelot still alive.

I believe the creation of the Eternal Kingdom took place between the birth of Diodora and that of Percival, but unfortunately we don't have a birth date for Diodora.

 

[Makai641001]

4kota happens 16 years After the end of the 2nd Holy war.
The lowest possible end for Camelot’s creation and it’s multiple 4-A structures would be 16 years and give 4-B to 4-A.

Percival was born 18 years before the current Post timeskip events, 16 years before the beginning of 4kota and died in a car accident as a newborn.

Diodora’s mom was already pregnant when DK died and got poisoned by his flesh.
The mother died quickly and soon after he was led to Neo Camelot which already existed.

As suggested by Mortlach the poison seems to be able to kill them really fast « His days are numbered » and nothing can stop it.

Ironside took Percival’s dead body to Neo Camelot to use it as a New body for his son performing the Spirit of Life ritual.

Neo Camelot already existed DAYS maybe weeks after Arthur absorbed Chaos.

Conclusion:
Lowest possible end = 16 years
Low end = 6 months (CBL events Neo Camelot was already created)
Mid end = 1 month
High end = days to a week (If you take "his days are numbered" litteraly)

NB: Keep in mind that Ironside started to search for Neo Camelot before his wife died meaning it already existed and rumours were already propagating atp.

Edit: and to talk about the thread it’s full of bs and useless arguments like bro using words per sec is crazy…

The only thing that can be (should be) brought up about DK’s creation is the narrator saying the creation happened quickly while a 3000 years old Curse is a « long long time ».

That indicates that 3000 years can be used as a lowballed back up tier 4 feat for the 3 gods.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

4kota happens 16 years After the end of the 2nd Holy war.
The lowest possible end for Camelot’s creation and it’s multiple 4-A structures would be 16 years and give 4-B to 4-A.

Percival was born 18 years before the current Post timeskip events, 16 years before the beginning of 4kota and died in a car accident as a newborn.

Diodora’s mom was already pregnant when DK died and got poisoned by his flesh.
The mother died quickly and soon after he was led to Neo Camelot which already existed.

As suggested by Mortlach the poison seems to be able to kill them really fast « His days are numbered and nothing can stop it.

Ironside took Percival’s dead body to Neo Camelot to use it as a New body for his son performing the Spirit of Life ritual.

Neo Camelot already existed DAYS maybe weeks after Arthur absorbed Chaos.

Conclusion:
Lowest possible end = 16 years
Low end = 6 months (CBL events Neo Camelot was already created)
Mid end = 1 month
High end = days to a week (If you take "his days are numbered" litteraly)

NB: Keep in mind that Ironside started to search for Neo Camelot before his wife died meaning it already existed and rumours were already propagating atp.

Edit: and to talk about the thread it’s full of bs and useless arguments like bro using words per sec is crazy…

The only thing that can be (should be) brought up about DK’s creation is the narrator saying the creation happened quickly while a 3000 years old Curse is a « long long time ».

That indicates that 3000 years can be used as a lowballed back up tier 4 feat for the 3 gods.

Arthur summoned Ardbeg to become a knight of Camelot shortly after his daughter's death.

 

[Makai641001]

Arthur invited Ardbeg for a meeting shortly after his daughter’s death.

Yeah it means it happened right after the Holy war.

Could you make a calc with each end using only Anfwynn, and the castle dimension for now ?

We’ll see for the rest of the 4-A dimensions later

 

[Igneel]

it would of

I don’t see that happening in just one day; Diodora was still in his mother’s womb when she was poisoned, and his mother arrived in Camelot still alive.

I believe the creation of the Eternal Kingdom took place between the birth of Diodora and that of Percival, but unfortunately we don't have a birth date for Diodora.

yes it was, because we only see arthur get his powers the next day of the dk fight, then they fight cath and so on and then arthur says he will make his new world he beats cath and its night time. how long do u think a baby can handle miasma for? we know his wife dies before he arrives at camolot because he had to burry her which is why baby diodora is alive when he was in camolot and can`t leave it

 

[Igneel]

Using that doesn't make sense. He's saying it would take a long time to reach the Demon King's level just by training, and then he says he only has three days. Based on the context of the conversation, he's not saying that three days is a long time — he's actually saying the exact opposite.

it was just to show that fairies and giants aren`t reliable with time, so i should characters that have lived longer than king and diane and they dont have that issue. perception of time is all that matters here

 

[Igneel]

yeah it was jues

What does this have to do with three days being a long time? They only had three days because Elizabeth's curse, no?

to show that 3 days is considered not long time by someone who percives time normally. im not saying use this time frame im just showing that the 20 yrs stuff is a high ball

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Yeah it means it happened right after the Holy war.

Could you make a calc with each end using only Anfwynn, and the castle dimension for now ?

We’ll see for the rest of the 4-A dimensions later

Arthur creates the Eternal Kingdom

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Igneel]

4kota happens 16 years After the end of the 2nd Holy war.
The lowest possible end for Camelot’s creation and it’s multiple 4-A structures would be 16 years and give 4-B to 4-A.

the problem with that is that its a massive low ball when we know it was created around 16 yrs ago i would say at max its 1 year

Percival was born 18 years before the current Post timeskip events, 16 years before the beginning of 4kota and died in a car accident as a newborn.

Diodora’s mom was already pregnant when DK died and got poisoned by his flesh.
The mother died quickly and soon after he was led to Neo Camelot which already existed.

As suggested by Mortlach the poison seems to be able to kill them really fast « His days are numbered » and nothing can stop it.

Ironside took Percival’s dead body to Neo Camelot to use it as a New body for his son performing the Spirit of Life ritual.

Neo Camelot already existed DAYS maybe weeks after Arthur absorbed Chaos.

Conclusion:
Lowest possible end = 16 years
Low end = 6 months (CBL events Neo Camelot was already created)
Mid end = 1 month
High end = days to a week (If you take "his days are numbered" litteraly)

i would agree 6 months

NB: Keep in mind that Ironside started to search for Neo Camelot before his wife died meaning it already existed and rumours were already propagating atp.

Edit: and to talk about the thread it’s full of bs and useless arguments like bro using words per sec is crazy…

thats just a low end time frame but it is still valid as it shows us that the creation of the dimension that happend when thay say 1 word

The only thing that can be (should be) brought up about DK’s creation is the narrator saying the creation happened quickly while a 3000 years old Curse is a « long long time ».

That indicates that 3000 years can be used as a lowballed back up tier 4 feat for the 3 gods.

that makes no sense lol

 

[Demon_Lord18]

it would of

yes it was, because we only see arthur get his powers the next day of the dk fight, then they fight cath and so on and then arthur says he will make his new world he beats cath and its night time. how long do u think a baby can handle miasma for? we know his wife dies before he arrives at camolot because he had to burry her which is why baby diodora is alive when he was in camolot and can`t leave it

Why did you ignore the scan I sent, which shows Diodora's mother alive in Camelot?

 

[Igneel]

Why did you ignore the scan I sent, which shows Diodora's mother alive in Camelot?

the scan doesn`t show that lol as i showed u a scan of her died before camolot it existed before that they had a idea of what it is meaning, it already existed so it can`t be long before arthur created it

 

[Makai641001]

the problem with that is that its a massive low ball when we know it was created around 16 yrs ago i would say at max its 1 year

i would agree 6 months

thats just a low end time frame but it is still valid as it shows us that the creation of the dimension that happend when thay say 1 word

A month should be cool

that makes no sense lol

Just classical logic, if 3000 years is a long time as stated by the narrator in the same panel and the Creation happened quickly we know it took less than 3000 years.

3000 years > Long Long time > Short time = Creations

 

[Jey-kun52]

4kota happens 16 years After the end of the 2nd Holy war.
The lowest possible end for Camelot’s creation and it’s multiple 4-A structures would be 16 years and give 4-B to 4-A.

Percival was born 18 years before the current Post timeskip events, 16 years before the beginning of 4kota and died in a car accident as a newborn.

Diodora’s mom was already pregnant when DK died and got poisoned by his flesh.
The mother died quickly and soon after he was led to Neo Camelot which already existed.

As suggested by Mortlach the poison seems to be able to kill them really fast « His days are numbered » and nothing can stop it.

Ironside took Percival’s dead body to Neo Camelot to use it as a New body for his son performing the Spirit of Life ritual.

Neo Camelot already existed DAYS maybe weeks after Arthur absorbed Chaos.

Conclusion:
Lowest possible end = 16 years
Low end = 6 months (CBL events Neo Camelot was already created)
Mid end = 1 month
High end = days to a week (If you take "his days are numbered" litteraly)

NB: Keep in mind that Ironside started to search for Neo Camelot before his wife died meaning it already existed and rumours were already propagating atp.

Edit: and to talk about the thread it’s full of bs and useless arguments like bro using words per sec is crazy…

The only thing that can be (should be) brought up about DK’s creation is the narrator saying the creation happened quickly while a 3000 years old Curse is a « long long time ».

That indicates that 3000 years can be used as a lowballed back up tier 4 feat for the 3 gods.

16 is inconsistent cuz we also senden diodra in neo camelot. Meliodas says that only mixed races can pass through Camleot's barrier. He also says that there were no mixed races back then, and therefore Tristan and Lancelot could pass through this barrier. So, the minimum possible time is five months, because Tristan was born on May 2nd. Otherwise, it would be "17 years ago" instead of "16 years ago." Furthermore, since all 10 dimensions are interconnected, it took months to create the multiple SS. The lowest possible end should be 1 year

 

[Demon_Lord18]

16 is inconsistent cuz we also senden diodra in neo camelot. Meliodas says that only mixed races can pass through Camleot's barrier. He also says that there were no mixed races back then, and therefore Tristan and Lancelot could pass through this barrier. So, the minimum possible time is five months, because Tristan was born on May 2nd. Otherwise, it would be "17 years ago" instead of "16 years ago." Furthermore, since all 10 dimensions are interconnected, it took months to create the multiple SS. The lowest possible end should be 1 year

Lancelot was born in April, so he would be 4.

 

[Jey-kun52]

What does this have to do with three days being a long time? They only had three days because Elizabeth's curse, no?

What if we took percentiles and also correlated them with human age? For example, a 10-year-old cat would be 57 years old in human years. Similarly, for a 70-year-old, 10% of their life would be 7 years, which is almost a long time. What if we used 1% for the high ball, 5% for the mid-ball, and 7% for the low ball? That's quite enough to elevate this verse.
For demon king.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Lancelot was born in April, so he would be 4.

April 29

 

[Damage3245]

I would be happier if we compared this to the character's actual feats in the series and realize that almost all of these characters who are supposedly Solar System level should actually be rating far, far lower.

UES + Creation feats are just a short-cut to ignoring almost any on-screen feat or anti-feat the characters perform in the series.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I would be happier if we compared this to the character's actual feats in the series and realize that almost all of these characters who are supposedly Solar System level should actually be rating far, far lower.

That would only scale to Arthur and Chaos.

edit: Perhaps Meliodas 4KoA and Lancelot

 

[Jey-kun52]

That would only scale to Arthur and Chaos.

edit: Perhaps Meliodas 4KoA and Lancelot

If Lancelot is getting scale, the 7ds members who scared Chaos away should also be scaled (by making 4koa profiles) because Ironside said that Chaos Arthur would be in great danger if he didn't escape and he should think about his people in Camelot. I still leave it to your discretion

 

[Makai641001]

I would be happier if we compared this to the character's actual feats in the series and realize that almost all of these characters who are supposedly Solar System level should actually be rating far, far lower.

UES + Creation feats are just a short-cut to ignoring almost any on-screen feat or anti-feat the characters perform in the series.

The underlying source behind all their feats is the exact same, they are able to output said quantity of energy.

Behemoth gets dwarfed by Makai and can destroy it by merely waking up and got stomped by 50% DK so bad that he was put in a coma for thousands of years.

The Spirits exists and maintain everything across the entire universe and are considered < Life spirit which is scared by Chaos.

Cath can destroy everything in verse once unified with Chaos.

Else i have a question, how would you calculate Makai planet size ?

 

[Zezu1995]

agreed , i made my points on this before arthur would take days/weeks and months as a lowball.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Agree with the thread

 

[Curses0z]

Agreed following

 

[Majinere566]

I would be happier if we compared this to the character's actual feats in the series and realize that almost all of these characters who are supposedly Solar System level should actually be rating far, far lower.

UES + Creation feats are just a short-cut to ignoring almost any on-screen feat or anti-feat the characters perform in the series.

I’m sorry, what does this mean? Why are you implying we should just not count this as a viable feat even though it should just hold the same amount of water as the “on screen feats” you are talking about

 

[Makai641001]

I’m sorry, what does this mean? Why are you implying we should just not count this as a viable feat even though it should just hold the same amount of water as the “on screen feats” you are talking about

He thinks it’s an outlier basically

 

[Saqphire]

I would be happier if we compared this to the character's actual feats in the series and realize that almost all of these characters who are supposedly Solar System level should actually be rating far, far lower.

UES + Creation feats are just a short-cut to ignoring almost any on-screen feat or anti-feat the characters perform in the series.

While I personally agree with this sentiment, this sort of comment should be discussed in a separate thread revamping the standards regarding how creation feats scale, as this isn’t even an argument debunking the creation feats themselves in this instance, this is just personal frustration on how creation feats scale overall.

Regarding the thread, I agree knowing the standards for UES+creation

 

[Damage3245]

He thinks it’s an outlier basically

Basically - but Saqphire makes a good point and I'll avoid complaining about it on this thread at least.

 

[Makai641001]

Basically - but Saqphire makes a good point and I'll avoid complaining about it on this thread at least.

You didn’t answer my question, how would you calc the Demon world size if you had to do it ?

 

[Damage3245]

You didn’t answer my question, how would you calc the Demon world size if you had to do it ?

I don't have any ideas for that at the moment.

 

[Jey-kun52]

I don't have any ideas for that at the moment.

Obviously, either by making some associations and analogies like in the mega planet calculation or by using the panel/image in the manga/anime.

Judging by the way it's drawn, it looks like the ground. We need to discuss this.

 

[Makai641001]

Obviously, either by making some associations and analogies like in the mega planet calculation or by using the panel/image in the manga/anime.

Judging by the way it's drawn, it looks like the ground. We need to discuss this.

I mean we know that the planet is bigger than Behemoth the thing is we don’t know how much.

Cross calculating the size using atmosphere height isn’t allowed anymore so tier 4 size can’t really be achieved…

 

[Jey-kun52]

I mean we know that the planet is bigger than Behemoth the thing is we don’t know how much.

Cross calculating the size using atmosphere height isn’t allowed anymore so tier 4 size can’t really be achieved…

That's why I suggested discussing anime and manga images

 

[Makai641001]

That's why I suggested discussing anime and manga images

That’s something that should be discussed with demon lord as he probably will be the one making the calc.

But Yeah maybe we can use planet curvature or things like that

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That's why I suggested discussing anime and manga images

What season did Behemot appear in? Been a while since I watched the main anime

 

[Makai641001]

What season did Behemot appear in? Been a while since I watched the main anime

Four knights of the apocalypse season 2 épisode 12 we see him pretty well.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Anime scans

You can see the horizon line separating the ground and the sky where I marked in the background. We can complete that scan into a sphere with Paint ( or manga version )

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Anime scans

Nothing shows up for me. ou I can't see anything.