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Dial it back on the insults, please; thank you.
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Low 1-C Base Sonic characters
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I mean I've already talked about my opinions on the thread itself, I'm just contesting the notion that Tier 1 base forms has a strong basis, as I think even the base for Tier 2 is weakening. Void is an outlier especially considering it's Adventure Era, and then from there the best you've got is like... Sonic surviving hits from the Titans in Frontiers, which is probably the biggest thing in his favor, but even this kinda falls flat because narratively he is grossly inferior to them and thus downscaling at all from them makes no sense. There's Metal Overlord who is arguably Low 1-C but the Shadow that fought him had Doom Powers which were amping him so even if you went that route it wouldn't scale to any base forms.
So even disregarding my opinions on Tier 2, I just don't think Tier 1 has any merit, and I've explained why rather than just flinging shit meaninglessly. So you're in no position to demand I stay quiet
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Not really the best thing in his favor, there's like 6 things I know of and that's just one of them.
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I don't really see what else there is. Like, Infinite's promotional statement that causes omega circular scaling?
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Thank you.
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I think I can. You were talking about things in regards to this specific thread. Other threads, since you didn't bring it up, don't matter. So, honestly, I am in the position to demand your silence. Now that you actually made a fair argument, maybe you did contribute something to this thread. I did have to ask you, but it's good that you're learning.
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That's just another one of them, also how exactly does it cause circular scaling?
Also also, the power jump from Adventure to Shuffle resulting from Void scaling won't be that much of a problem if the Classic Era gets to 2-C.
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But I don't think the Classic Era is 2-C, I think that is omega inflated scaling
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Yeah hop off your high horse or your ass is getting reported, you've still hardly contributed, I just voiced my honest opinions and you decided to come at me for no reason lol
You can make demands but it doesn't mean I'll listen
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You say that because the Classic Era in the wiki, actually in general is underexplored in terms of what it has to offer, there's a lot of material that doesn't show itself easily. But even still, the best argument comes from IDW.
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No I just think there's a clear power progression here. I mean in the Classic Era you have things hyped up for planet level prowess and you want me to believe that era is actually multiversal?
Sorry, I'm not convinced. Quite frankly, I think the idea of 2-C Classic Era, Low 1-C Adventure Era, etc. etc. base forms is super wanked and I don't see myself ever agreeing to that
Sorry, I'm not convinced. Quite frankly, I think the idea of 2-C Classic Era, Low 1-C Adventure Era, etc. etc. base forms is super wanked and I don't see myself ever agreeing to that
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Don't care. Stop threatening with reporting just because you're being unreasonable. That's pathetic.
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...Like i just said, it's underexplored and outdated, even if you're not in for the infinities here you're still looking at Tier 4/Tier 3 because of Chaos Emeralds shenanigans
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I'm being unreasonable for retorting after you randomly came at me for expressing my opinions? I wasn't even like passive aggressive or anything I was being normal. Genuinely wtf did I do, I just be saying shit and you decide to take potshots
(Also you say I'm a Sonic scaling hater, which kinda implies to me that being a "hater" to you is synonymous with downgrades, which I find very narrow-minded)
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At best I see like Tier 4 because of the single Chaos Emerald feat from Unleashed and them using a Chaos Emerald and all, but Tier 3 and Tier 2 definitely not imho
But this is a different debacle altogether, more importantly is the fact that we can agree that this thread in particular wasn't exactly organized the best and should be closed
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Then you took it a step further with some sort of superiority argument, man. You're not the victim in the situation, either.
Also, I called you as hater, as a kinda half-joke, because this happens every time a notion of higher Sonic scaling comes up and you're present and I found that funny.
Anyway, this is going nowhere. I'll just focus on the core of the thread and hope you do as well.
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I acted out of line, I agree. I just don't wanna have beef, I didn't think I was doing anything wrong with how I was saying my opinions on scaling and shit and I'm sorry that it ended up like this
As for the thread, is there much else to do? Or do we just get it closed and wait on a more organized thread?
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The latter, yeah. This served more as a discussion hub for Tier 1 rather than actually discussing the CRT at hand.
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It's fine. I came off perhaps too hot as well. Sorry about that. I'm not a saint in this.
As for the thread, yeah. I think if the thread was remade with perhaps more convincing arguments, it would be liable for actual discussion. This, without supporting evidence, doesn't give a good impression for a possible upscale. It needs the evidence and I'll agree with you in that, as of now with the evidence provided, I wouldn't even be confident giving 1-C to Sonic. Even if I think it could be founded.
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I don't want to give this up easily. In the video, they are still exposed to Void's attacks and demonstrate the durability feat.
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You should at least give more evidence than just Void. People aren't going to exactly take that considering it can seem inconsistent to people. I suggest making a new thread with more instances of Low 1-C feats for Base Sonic characters to build a case.
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Could be an outlier, unless they've proven time and time again to take attacks on that level on a consistent basis.
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^ Agree, but primarily from the context of this singular piece of evidence shown. Hence why I said to build an actual case before anything. A one and done deal doesn't prove anything. I could believe 1-C Base is possible so long as there's support for the claim.
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That's not actually addressing anything, though. You're just repeating what you've already said in the OP and despite concerns over the consistency you're just going "I'm not giving up that easily" without bringing anything new to the table
Like I hate to say it, but you don't exactly have a strong case for what you're arguing here. Threads can also be closed against the OP's will, to put it bluntly, if they've been unanimously rejected. If you want to argue this, get more evidence to make a more substantial proposal
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I say make a new thread, but gather supporting evidence to reinforce the claim and explain the feats and why they're valid in detail. Just the Void feat may not cut it, so look for other feats that may support this as well. Right now, this seems far too small.
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You defeat a Low 1-C character and you can't become Low 1-C. Infinite is said to be the strongest villain they fought and they stop him with their base forms (Although other phantom ruby prototypes have been shown to be able to clearly pair with master emerald and even super forms)
but they dismiss him with the excuse that he's insufficient. What can I say?
Beat Void with base form but you're not low 1-C
Beat Infinite but Still You're not Low 1-C
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Yes, we can in fact scrap things like that if it's not consistent. Outliers existYou defeat a Low 1-C character and you can't become Low 1-C. Infinite is said to be the strongest villain they fought and they stop him with their base forms (Although other phantom ruby prototypes have been shown to be able to clearly pair with master emerald and even super forms)
but they dismiss him with the excuse that he's insufficient. What can I say?
Beat Void with base form but you're not low 1-C
Beat Infinite but Still You're not Low 1-C
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Is the contention that no other base form Sonic characters demonstrate Low 1-C feats or that it would be inconsistent for base Sonic characters to experience such large power growth? That's a very important distinction.
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This level of power is very inconsistent for Base Sonic level characters, especially in this case because this would be for the Adventure Era, not even the Modern Era
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I see. I assume it is a more consistent interpretation for a Tier 4 base Adventure Sonic and up to Tier 2 for base Modern Sonic? I'll have to look into that.
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At the moment, yes. There's a clearer power progression, I feel, given the existing feats (like a single Chaos Emerald shifting large chunks of the planet, with Chaos absorbing each Chaos Emerald and growing in power with it, and then later we have a stronger Tier 4 calc for the Final Egg Blaster, then the Modern Era has some Tier 3 and later Tier 2 stuff)
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A single Chaos Emerald has 2, possibly 3 (last one probably not worth mentioning) different 4-A feats. That would make the Classic Era at bare minimum 3-B keeping those things in mind given the Chaos Emeralds are involved twice back to back. Not even counting statements that would make them 2-C or feats that would make them High 3-A.
There's power progression alright, just not in the way you think it does. I currently have the classics going from High 5-A to 4-A to 2-C.
There's power progression alright, just not in the way you think it does. I currently have the classics going from High 5-A to 4-A to 2-C.
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I fear further discussion over Chaos Emerald consistency may derail this thread. Unfortunately, not enough data has been gathered to warrant an upgrade. I suggest the OP should close this thread, perhaps we all should work together to gather as many feats as we can find to see if an upgrade is warranted or not. I'm not sure where feat collection threads go on this forum, but that seems warranted right now.
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It's not about consistency, it's more so Clover seems to be unaware of feats that would place them way higher into Tier 4.
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Either way, it seems more feat collection and analysis is needed before a proper CRT can be made. Perhaps we all can work together to do so?
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Either way tier 1 base is entirely based on scaling and Infinite statements so it’s probably, not gonna work.
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Must you always be a downer?
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Outlier will always be a problem sadly.
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