X = CRT + 2 (Ben 10 CRT)

[Antvasima]

@Firestorm808 @Reiner04 @AbaddonTheDisappointment

It seems like your help may be needed here.

 

[Reiner04]

I disagree with the statistic amplification for Heatblast, he didn’t absorb fire according to the scan.
I also disagree with durability negation for Atomix, light is Zs’Skayr’s specific weakness.
As far as I remember, the Gravattack backhole isn’t considered a real one, so I don’t think that 2017 calc should be used anymore.
Regarding layers for reality warping, Annihilargh having it due to erasing reality, I disagree with that as well.

Rest is fine.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Firestorm808 @Reiner04 @AbaddonTheDisappointment

It seems like your help may be needed here.

Currently going down the list of open B10 threads.

 

[GeneralSol16]

I disagree with the statistic amplification for Heatblast, he didn’t absorb fire according to the scan.

Didnt he absorb the fire from those trees to get hotter? I mean, even Ben says he would need to go beyond his limits, proceeding to absorb It and get, you know, hotter

I also disagree with durability negation for Atomix, light is Zs’Skayr’s specific weakness.

Yes, but Ben did an specific control over his atom as WoG states, and his powers are a kind of Dura neg as he needs to control and destroy specific atoms to do it.

As far as I remember, the Gravattack backhole isn’t considered a real one, so I don’t think that 2017 calc should be used anymore.

The BH is a real one if we go by its creation, since they cited a real life process, but what happened next was a result of the Time Beast.
If that calc is done again, could it be accepted?

Regarding layers for reality warping, Annihilargh having it due to erasing reality, I disagree with that as well.

The Annihilargh has it for creating all of The Universe, nor for erasing it.

Rest is fine.

Okey

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

GWEN TENNYSON / MANA ENERGY

- Technology Manipulation [3 Layers] [Passive] (Hee Mana energy was the reason why the original Omnitrix was always malfunctioning)

OMNITRIX (AF, UA & OV)
- Resistance to Technology Manipulation [4 Layers] (After recalibrating itself and future models, the Omnitrix was completely unaffected by being near Gwen's energy, even when being directly in contact with said energy)

Who is this is 4 Layer? Mana has 3 Layer not 4

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

MALWARE (2ND FORM)

- Technology Manipulation and Hacking [1 Layer] (Superior to Kid Upgrade, who has Layered Technology Manipulation)

OMNITRIX (OS)
Resistance to Technology Manipulation and Hacking [2 Layers] (2nd Form Malware was unable to hack or manipulate the Omnitrix, even when having direct contact with it)

MALWARE (3RD FORM)
- Technology Manipulation and Hacking [3 Layers) (In his 3rd Form, Malware was able to hack and manipulate the Omnitrix, removing and destroying Feedback's DNA)

GWEN TENNYSON / MANA ENERGY
- Technology Manipulation [3 Layers] [Passive] (Hee Mana energy was the reason why the original Omnitrix was always malfunctioning)

OMNITRIX (AF, UA & OV)
- Resistance to Technology Manipulation [4 Layers] (After recalibrating itself and future models, the Omnitrix was completely unaffected by being near Gwen's energy, even when being directly in contact with said energy)

Layers are very very wank, the correct order should be like this;

• 1 Layer for Malwaer (2RD)
• 1 Layer resist for Omnitrix OS
• 2 Layer for Malware (3RD) & Mana
• 2 Layer resist for Omnitrix UA/OV
• 3 Layer for X

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Layers are very very wank, the correct order should be like this;

• 1 Layer for Malwaer (2RD)
• 1 Layer resist for Omnitrix OS
• 2 Layer for Malware (3RD) & Mana
• 2 Layer resist for Omnitrix UA/OV
• 3 Layer for X

@Reiner04 Do you agree?

 

[Hellformer]

Layers are very very wank, the correct order should be like this;

• 1 Layer for Malwaer (2RD)
• 1 Layer resist for Omnitrix OS
• 2 Layer for Malware (3RD) & Mana
• 2 Layer resist for Omnitrix UA/OV
• 3 Layer for X

This seems sensible to me

 

[GeneralSol16]

I disagree with the statistic amplification for Heatblast, he didn’t absorb fire according to the scan.
I also disagree with durability negation for Atomix, light is Zs’Skayr’s specific weakness.
As far as I remember, the Gravattack backhole isn’t considered a real one, so I don’t think that 2017 calc should be used anymore.
Regarding layers for reality warping, Annihilargh having it due to erasing reality, I disagree with that as well.

Rest is fine.

Currently going down the list of open B10 threads.

Bump

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Bump!

 

[Lort15]

Bump

 

[Quang230]

Anything new

 

[Emerald]

- High Pain Tolerance (Ben could fight Captain Nemesis as Eatle, even when having a broken arm)

High Pain Tolerance is not an ability, its stamina

- Durability Negation (Shattered Zs'Skayr to atoms, with his remnant radiated particles getting sent to outer space. His powers are based on splitting atoms themselves)

Zs'Skayr is weak to bright lights, that's a weakness on his part so no to dura neg because of him. Neutral on the last justification

Resistance to Durability Negation (Tanked Malgax's Tachyon Cannon, which destroys the target to a sub cellular level)

Any reason to assume Atomix has cells when he's clearly mechanical?

- Heat and Radiation manipulation (Can emit focused gamma rays, which can reach billions of degrees Celsius)

Yea no, nothing there indicates he's making a Gamma Ray burst which happens because of supernovas/neutron stars/black holes they just say he can shoot focussed gamma rays which is something we can easily replicate irl (check gamma knifes)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Any reason to assume Atomix has cells when he's clearly mechanical?

He is not a machine bruh

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

BEN TENNYSON
- Supernatural Willpower (His will is so strong that he cannot be controlled by Lord Transyl's powers. Zs'Skayr had problems possessing Ben via him resisting it)

Agree

- High Pain Tolerance (Ben could fight Captain Nemesis as Eatle, even when having a broken arm)

I don't think this is an ability

- Intelligence
- Genius: Ben is considered by Paradox to be extremely intelligent, possessing a deep understanding of space-time rules. He has outsmarted Animo, Albedo, and Eon, beings comparable to Paradox and Azmuth themselves. He also outwitted Psychobos and Khyber, the latter being considered as the greatest huntsman in the galaxy. Ben has a natural talent for alien technology, being able to operate highly advanced devices such as Ascalon, spaceships, and weapons simply by observing others use them or by mimicking techniques he has seen in video games or movies. He successfully deceived the entire Incursean race except for Attea and is regarded as the greatest Omnitrix wielder, surpassing others like Ben 23, Albedo, Gwen 10, and even his future self, Ben 10K, being considered the only one capable of defeating Maltruant. Additionally, he has outsmarted Darkstar, who himself managed to outwit a Highbreed and a Plumber, both highly skilled in conquering, ruling, and defending entire planets while using advanced alien technology. Ben is also comparable to Kevin and Gwen; Kevin was able to outsmart Servantis, a Cerebrocrustacean hybrid capable of deceiving the entire Plumbers and entire races while making the Osmosian history, while Gwen, according to both Ben and herself, has the ability to "hack magic itself" using a mere computer. With Ben getting a higher rating in the Plumber's academy than Kevin, and comparable to Gwen, with him rating at 95%.

Agree

ATOMIX
- Durability Negation (Shattered Zs'Skayr to atoms, with his remnant radiated particles getting sent to outer space. His powers are based on splitting atoms themselves)

Some of the links don't work

- Heat Manipulation (Nuclear Fission and fusion reach millions of degrees, something Atomix can replicate

Include this scene where he actually generates heat.

Resistance to Durability Negation (Tanked Malgax's Tachyon Cannon, which destroys the target to a sub cellular level)

Neutral for now.

• Uupgrade / Revision (Capable of physically overpowering and blowing a hole on Malgax's chest, who was stated multiple times to be capable of easily defeating all of Ben's aliens once he defeated Atomix, which would include Way Big as well, supported by how a similar (albeit weaker) version of a Mechamonph armor being on par with two To'kustars, making Malgax (and by definition, Atomix) way superior to Way Big, making them At least 4-A.)

Disagree. He only tanked hits from one. Ben wasn't actually trying to hurt him, also these were kid versions, so they wouldn't scale to their UAF-OV versions.

HEATBLAST
- Heat Manipulation (Stated multiple times to be ableto reach Supernova levels of temperature, something supported by WoG)

Agree, but they are able to affect Nosedenians, whom live in Quesars which are significantly hotter.

- Teletransportation (Can teleport himself and other using a fire tornado)

Disagree, teleportation is meant to be the "ability to move instantaneously from one location to another without physically occupying the space in between", the did occupy the space between. This is more All Terrain Mobility to me as he's essentially moving through dangerous terrain through the fire tornado.

- limited Resistance to Absolute Zero Can melt his way out of both Big Chill's and Ultimate Big Chill's ice)

Not sure how this is limited?

Statistics Amplification (Can absorb fire to get himself even hotter

That's just Absorption but I agree.

CHROMASTONE
- Heat and Radiation manipulation (Can emit focused gamma rays, which can reach billions of degrees Celsius)

Agree

GRAVATTACK
- Lifting Strength (via this already accepted calc, Gravattack should have Class Y LS).

WILDMUTT
- Range (His enchanted senses allow him to detect things at one mile)

Not an ability. It should be
Range: Kilometers with enhanced senses (His enchanted senses allow him to detect things at one mile)

DIAMONDHEAD
- Tactic move (When inside an enemy, can spike them from the inside out)
- Underground Mobility (Moved through underground to surprise Vulkanus with a crystal construct)

 Agree

HUMUNGOUSAUR AND COMPARABLE ALIENS
- Lifting Strength (Humungousaur was stated to be Ben's strongest alien by the times of Alien Force, which would make him superior to Goop, who is accepted as having Class E lifting strength. This means Humungousaur and any comparable alien would upscale from this)

Agree

NANOMECH
- Standard tactics (Capable of going inside enemies to blast them from their insides, doing it against Mad Way Big)

Agree

Small Size (From Type 1 to Type 5) (Nanomech has the ability to shrink, going from 1 inch tall to the size of an atom)

This is Size Manipulation, not Small Size. By default character with small size can't control their size. The description should just be changed from Small Size (Type 1, upto Type 5 with Size Manipulation)

 

[GeneralSol16]

I disagree with the statistic amplification for Heatblast, he didn’t absorb fire according to the scan.
I also disagree with durability negation for Atomix, light is Zs’Skayr’s specific weakness.
As far as I remember, the Gravattack backhole isn’t considered a real one, so I don’t think that 2017 calc should be used anymore.
Regarding layers for reality warping, Annihilargh having it due to erasing reality, I disagree with that as well.

Rest is fine.

I've added and fixed some things, if u want to take a look at it.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Currently going down the list of open B10 threads.

Bump

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump

 

[Quang230]

Can the Humungousaur lifting scale chain and Wildmutt range be add first I don't think there any disagree with them

 

[GeneralSol16]

Can the Humungousaur lifting scale chain and Wildmutt range be add first I don't think there any disagree with them

We need Firestorm, or any other admin, to confirm it first, otherwise it wouldn't be valid.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump

 

[Firestorm808]

1. Supernatural Willpower (His will is so strong that he cannot be controlled by Lord Transyl's powers. Zs'Skayr had problems possessing Ben via him resisting it)
   1. I suppose
2. High Pain Tolerance (Ben could fight Captain Nemesis as Eatle, even when having a broken arm)
   1. Not really. Did Eatle show signs of having the broken arm as well and enduring through visible pain?
3. Intelligence
   1. Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, usually in one area of varying depth. This level of intellect is the level of real-world geniuses, polymaths, and genuinely extremely prominent intellectuals, and, in the absence of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters with exceptional or superhuman intelligence.
   2. I don't see how this meets the requirement.
4. Durability Negation (Shattered Zs'Skayr to atoms, with his remnant radiated particles getting sent to outer space. His powers are based on splitting atoms themselves)
   1. Not really. This is just how Zskayr's weakness to sunlight works.
5. Heat Manipulation (Nuclear Fission and fusion reach millions of degrees, something Atomix can replicate)
   1. Fine
6. Resistance to Durability Negation (Tanked Malgax's Tachyon Cannon, which destroys the target to a sub cellular level)
   1. Malgax didn't shoot Atomix with a Tachyon Cannon
7. Uupgrade / Revision (
   1. Capable of physically overpowering and blowing a hole on Malgax's chest,
      1. Fine
   2. who was stated multiple times to be capable of easily defeating all of Ben's aliens once he defeated Atomix, which would include Way Big as well,
      1. Fine
   3. supported by how a similar (albeit weaker) version of a Mechamonph armor being on par with two To'kustars,
      1. Fine
   4. making Malgax (and by definition, Atomix) way superior to Way Big, making them At least 4-A.)
      1. Fine
8. Heat Manipulation (
   1. Stated multiple times to be able to reach Supernova levels of temperature, something supported by WoG.
      1. Fine
   2. Capable of harming Megawatts with his fire, Whose species live in a Quasar, which temperature ranges from 20 to 40 trillion degrees)
      1. Unless we know more about what their planet is like, I wouldn't use this.
9. Teletransportation (Can teleport himself and other using a fire tornado)
   1. What scene are you referencing?
10. Limited Resistance to Absolute Zero Can melt his way out of both Big Chill's and Ultimate Big Chill's ice)
    1. Fine
11. Statistics Amplification (Can absorb fire to get himself even hotter)
    1. He didn't absorb any fire. He burned hotter to steal the oxygen from the other fire.
12. Heat and Radiation manipulation (Can emit focused gamma rays, which can reach billions of degrees Celsius)
    1. We don't have any supporting evidence that he can generate this level of heat.
13. Lifting Strength (via this already accepted calc, Gravattack should have Class Y LS).
    1. Can you elaborate on how this is a lifting feat?
14. Range (His enchanted senses allow him to detect things at one mile)
    1. Fine
15. Technology Manipulation and Hacking [1 Layer] (Superior to Kid Upgrade, who has Layered Technology Manipulation)
    1. Fine
16. Resistance to Technology Manipulation and Hacking [1 Layer] (2nd Form Malware was unable to hack or manipulate the Omnitrix, even when having direct contact with it)
    1. Fine
17. Technology Manipulation and Hacking [2 Layers) (In his 3rd Form, Malware was able to hack and manipulate the Omnitrix, removing and destroying Feedback's DNA)
    1. Fine
18. Technology Manipulation [2 Layers] [Passive] (Her Mana energy was the reason why the original Omnitrix was always malfunctioning)
    1. This isn't really something elaborated on in the show, so I wouldn't use it. Maybe just "possibly"
19. Resistance to Technology Manipulation [2 Layers] (After recalibrating itself and future models, the Omnitrix was completely unaffected by being near Gwen's energy, even when being directly in contact with said energy)
    1. This isn't really something elaborated on in the show, so I wouldn't use it. Maybe just "possibly"
20. Technology Manipulation [3 Layers] (Prevented Ben from detransforming with the Omnitrix)
    1. 2 layers, possibly 3
21. Tactic move (When inside an enemy, can spike them from the inside out)
    1. Fine
22. Underground Mobility (Moved through underground to surprise Vulkanus with a crystal construct)
    1. Fine
23. Lifting Strength (Humungousaur was stated to be Ben's strongest alien by the times of Alien Force, which would make him superior to Goop, who is accepted as having Class E lifting strength. This means Humungousaur and any comparable alien would upscale from this)
    1. Goop's lifting strength rating is based on his Gravity Generator's ability to move his goop body. The Class E feat was when he distributed his body throughout the planet's water. I'm not sure it's a viable to compare the Gavity Generator to regular muscle strength.
24. Standard tactics (Capable of going inside enemies to blast them from their insides, doing it against Mad Way Big)
    1. Fine
25. Small Size (From Type 1 to Type 5) (Nanomech has the ability to shrink, going from 1 inch tall to the size of an atom)
    1. Fine
26. Range (Thousands of kilometers) (When repairing Galvan B, the entire race were able to stretch themselves together to reach and pull back the Moon's remains,covering the whole dismayed of the Moon.)
    1. As a group is fine.
27. Technology Manipulation [3 Layers] (
    1. As shown here, Ben's able to control, manipulate and modificate Kevin's car, Rook's Proto-Tool and Plumbers' technology when he's Upgrade,
       1. I don't see how this is 2-3 layers
    2. even when they could resist being near Gwen's Mana energy for an extended period of time and in her Anodize Mode or with an amped Charmcaster added to the mix.
       1. See previous notes on this
    3. Kevin's car was even able to be on a dimension completely made of Mana without being negatively affected. With Mana energy having the property of passively affecting technology, as listed above)
       1. This is just teleportation, not tech manipulation.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. Limited Resistance to Absolute Zero Can melt his way out of both Big Chill's and Ultimate Big Chill's ice)
   1. Fine

Should not limited?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. Technology Manipulation [2 Layers] [Passive] (Her Mana energy was the reason why the original Omnitrix was always malfunctioning)
   1. This isn't really something elaborated on in the show, so I wouldn't use it. Maybe just "possibly"

It shown it can malfunctioning Omnitrix in Ben 10 Destroy all Aliens.

 

[Firestorm808]

It shown it can malfunctioning Omnitrix in Ben 10 Destroy all Aliens.

I'm regarding it in a "passive" sense, not actively putting mana it.

 

[Firestorm808]

Should not limited?

I suppose.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I'm regarding it in a "passive" sense, not actively putting mana it.

It can be both like SDBH, also it should be 3 Layers, as it malfunctioning Ultimatrix in Season 2

 

[GeneralSol16]

1. High Pain Tolerance (Ben could fight Captain Nemesis as Eatle, even when having a broken arm)
   1. Not really. Did Eatle show signs of having the broken arm as well and enduring through visible pain?

Not really, but the Ultimatrix doesn't heal his wounds, as seen when Swampfire still got his arm all hurt when Ben turned into him.

• Intelligence
  1. Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, usually in one area of varying depth. This level of intellect is the level of real-world geniuses, polymaths, and genuinely extremely prominent intellectuals, and, in the absence of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters with exceptional or superhuman intelligence.
  2. I don't see how this meets the requirement.

He should still apply for it, solve he's able to outsmart in Intelligence beings who are smarter than said category, and being able to trick entire civilizations, or be comparable to Gwen and Kevin as a whole

• Durability Negation (Shattered Zs'Skayr to atoms, with his remnant radiated particles getting sent to outer space. His powers are based on splitting atoms themselves)
  1. Not really. This is just how Zskayr's weakness to sunlight works.

What about the other point? He's able to split atoms with the mere concept of creating Nuclear Fission and fusion.https://youtu.be/DRnYbCRoQpY?si=j6XamYqZvpqkATk_

Teletransportation (Can teleport himself and other using a fire tornado)

1. What scene are you referencing?

and all his fire tornadoess

• Limited Resistance to Absolute Zero Can melt his way out of both Big Chill's and Ultimate Big Chill's ice)
  1. Fine
• Statistics Amplification (Can absorb fire to get himself even hotter)
  1. He didn't absorb any fire. He burned hotter to steal the oxygen from the other fire.

Would that count as a type of Air Manipulation?

• Heat and Radiation manipulation (Can emit focused gamma rays, which can reach billions of degrees Celsius)
  1. We don't have any supporting evidence that he can generate this level of heat.

But what about its radiation? Gamma rays are radioactive by definition

• Lifting Strength (via this already accepted calc, Gravattack should have Class Y LS).
  1. Can you elaborate on how this is a lifting feat?

He generates that level of gravitational pressure when going at his fullest, which he used to trap the Time Beast, but went so hard that he created a Black Hole instead.
It should count as LS, afaik.

• Technology Manipulation [2 Layers] [Passive] (Her Mana energy was the reason why the original Omnitrix was always malfunctioning)
  1. This isn't really something elaborated on in the show, so I wouldn't use it. Maybe just "possibly"

Even if not passive, we have been shown that the Omnitrix is affected by Mana Energy more than by the spell itself

[01:03:33]. So it should still count as being able to by pass its defenses.

• Resistance to Technology Manipulation [2 Layers] (After recalibrating itself and future models, the Omnitrix was completely unaffected by being near Gwen's energy, even when being directly in contact with said energy)
  1. This isn't really something elaborated on in the show, so I wouldn't use it. Maybe just "possibly"

Like I said, if the energy itself doesn't affect the watch as it did before, even when being directly hit in the same way, it should still count

• Lifting Strength (Humungousaur was stated to be Ben's strongest alien by the times of Alien Force, which would make him superior to Goop, who is accepted as having Class E lifting strength. This means Humungousaur and any comparable alien would upscale from this)
  1. Goop's lifting strength rating is based on his Gravity Generator's ability to move his goop body. The Class E feat was when he distributed his body throughout the planet's water. I'm not sure it's a viable to compare the Gavity Generator to regular muscle strength.

Goop's physicals were scales from this feat since after his Gravitational thingy saved the planet, Ben still needed to pull the realms of the planet back together, so, and instead of getting amped by the planet, he got completely atomized, so it shouldn't count as a Power Up.
And Goop's physicals come directly from his little ovni, so yeah, itvsgoyld scale to his Stats.

• 
  
• Range (Thousands of kilometers) (When repairing Galvan B, the entire race were able to stretch themselves together to reach and pull back the Moon's remains,covering the whole dismayed of the Moon.)
  1. As a group is fine.

Could something like "Thoundsns of KM when fused with Technology" work?

• Technology Manipulation [3 Layers](
  1. As shown here, Ben's able to control, manipulate and modificate Kevin's car, Rook's Proto-Tool and Plumbers' technology when he's Upgrade,
     1. I don't see how this is 2-3 layers

Since all of those techs have been hit directly and indirectly by Mana Energy, and haven't been affected by its anti tech properties, they should upscale from it. And Upgrade can bypass their resistances.

• even when they could resist being near Gwen's Mana energy for an extended period of time and in her Anodize Mode or with an amped Charmcaster added to the mix.
  1. See previous notes on this

Same, see previous arguments.

• Kevin's car was even able to be on a dimension completely made of Mana without being negatively affected. With Mana energy having the property of passively affecting technology, as listed above)
  1. This is just teleportation, not tech manipulation.

My point was more of "Being in a dimension completely made of Mana" more than it getting hit by Charmcaster's blast, since as I said, it's more of s effect of the energy than the spell by its own

 

[Hellformer]

• 1. making Malgax (and by definition, Atomix) way superior to Way Big, making them At least 4-A.)
     1. Fine

I disagree with this one due to the sheer anti feats that exist, but currently I don't have enough time to argue so I'll make a seperate thread for downgrade.

 

[GeneralSol16]

I disagree with this one due to the sheer anti feats that exist, but currently I don't have enough time to argue so I'll make a seperate thread for downgrade.

Babe, you've been saying that for over three monts, all his anti feats aren't anti feats at all.

 

[Hellformer]

Babe, you've been saying that for over three monts, all his anti feats aren't anti feats at all.

They are, regardless of what you say. I have my exams ongoing so I'll let it pass for now but I'll open a seperate downgrade soon.

 

[GeneralSol16]

They are, regardless of what you say. I have my exams ongoing so I'll let it pass for now but I'll open a seperate downgrade soon.

Wouldn't it be easier if you just do it rn? It's obvious that you already have them, so we avoid doing another 3 pages long discussion, again

 

[Hellformer]

Wouldn't it be easier if you just do it rn? It's obvious that you already have them, so we avoid doing another 3 pages long discussion, again

I don't have enough time to spend arguing over here.

 

[Firestorm808]

It can be both like SDBH

I don't know what acronym this is for.

 

[Firestorm808]

I disagree with this one due to the sheer anti feats that exist, but currently I don't have enough time to argue so I'll make a seperate thread for downgrade.

Can you elaborate on the main points?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Malgax didn't shoot Atomix with a Tachyon Cannon

I forgot about this one

Hamm, yeah, he did? I mean, you can clearly see his Tachyon Cannon when he shoots Ben, don't know if you're mismatching the scene or something.

 

[Firestorm808]

Not really, but the Ultimatrix doesn't heal his wounds, as seen when Swampfire still got his arm all hurt when Ben turned into him.

He should still apply for it, solve he's able to outsmart in Intelligence beings who are smarter than said category, and being able to trick entire civilizations, or be comparable to Gwen and Kevin as a whole

What about the other point? He's able to split atoms with the mere concept of creating Nuclear Fission and fusion.

and all his fire tornadoess

Would that count as a type of Air Manipulation?

But what about its radiation? Gamma rays are radioactive by definition

He generates that level of gravitational pressure when going at his fullest, which he used to trap the Time Beast, but went so hard that he created a Black Hole instead.
It should count as LS, afaik.

Even if not passive, we have been shown that the Omnitrix is affected by Mana Energy more than by the spell itself

[01:03:33]. So it should still count as being able to by pass its defenses.

Like I said, if the energy itself doesn't affect the watch as it did before, even when being directly hit in the same way, it should still count


Goop's physicals were scales from this feat since after his Gravitational thingy saved the planet, Ben still needed to pull the realms of the planet back together, so, and instead of getting amped by the planet, he got completely atomized, so it shouldn't count as a Power Up.
And Goop's physicals come directly from his little ovni, so yeah, itvsgoyld scale to his Stats.

Could something like "Thoundsns of KM when fused with Technology" work?

Since all of those techs have been hit directly and indirectly by Mana Energy, and haven't been affected by its anti tech properties, they should upscale from it. And Upgrade can bypass their resistances.

Same, see previous arguments.

My point was more of "Being in a dimension completely made of Mana" more than it getting hit by Charmcaster's blast, since as I said, it's more of s effect of the energy than the spell by its own

1. Do we have a clip of the still injured Swampfire?
2. Being very clever does not meet the standard of being a genius in a particular subject or superhuman intelligence.
3. Atomix did not directly attack Zskayr. He created sunlight through his fusion creation. This sunlight reduced Zskayr to atoms.
4. Do you mean just "transportation?" Teleportation is "the ability to move instantaneously from one location to another without physically occupying the space in between." What Heatblast does is more akin to regular transportation via fire vortexes.
5. I don't think so? Does making a larger fire to change air currents count? @DarkDragonMedeus @Reiner04
6. As a reminder from the other thread, generic Gamma Radiation Manip is fine. Cosmic gamma-ray bursts are not what Chromastone creates.
7. I'm only disagreeing with this tech manip being "passive" when not in direct contact with mana.
8. Again, I'm only referring to any passive tech manip. Direct contact with mana for this is fine..
9. I am unsure on the Gravity Generator Scaling Chain. I'd request halp from other staff on the matter. @DarkDragonMedeus @Reiner04
10. I would say the range varies on the context. Vanilla energy blasts vs merging with weapons/ships that shoot stuff is different than combining to pull the planet together.
11. Again, I am fine with "direct contact" tech manip for mana.
12. No tech manipulation occurred on Kevin's car from mana.

 

[Firestorm808]

I forgot about this one

Hamm, yeah, he did? I mean, you can clearly see his Tachyon Cannon when he shoots Ben, don't know if you're mismatching the scene or something.

My mistake, I was looking at Malware's dual guns at the start of the scene you linked on imgur.

 

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1. Do we have a clip of the still injured Swampfire?

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You can still see Ben all injured and having his arm messed up.

1. Being very clever does not meet the standard of being a genius in a particular subject or superhuman intelligence.

Aight

1. Atomix did not directly attack Zskayr. He created sunlight through his fusion creation. This sunlight reduced Zskayr to atoms.

Aight.

1. Do you mean just "transportation?" Teleportation is "the ability to move instantaneously from one location to another without physically occupying the space in between." What Heatblast does is more akin to regular transportation via fire vortexes.

Yeh, think you're right there.

1. I don't think so? Does making a larger fire to change air currents count? @DarkDragonMedeus @Reiner04

Lets see what they say

1. As a reminder from the other thread, generic Gamma Radiation Manip is fine. Cosmic gamma-ray bursts are not what Chromastone creates.

Aight

1. I'm only disagreeing with this tech manip being "passive" when not in direct contact with mana.
2. Again, I'm only referring to any passive tech manip. Direct contact with mana for this is fine..

Then, since all of the moments of the Omnitrix being directly hit by Mana, and not getting affected, do you agree with a solid Layered resistance for Post Original Series models of the watch?

1. I am unsure on the Gravity Generator Scaling Chain. I'd request halp from other staff on the matter. @DarkDragonMedeus @Reiner04

And what about the other point? Not all of the work was done by his Anti gravitational Projector.

1. No tech manipulation occurred on Kevin's car from mana.

I mean, yeah, but it has been hit by Mana blasts before, and wasn't affected like the OG Omnitrix was.

My mistake, I was looking at Malware's dual guns at the start of the scene you linked on imgur.

No problemo, so, do u agree with Dura Neg resistance for Atomix?