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Mirio Togata (Lemillion) Vs Toji Fushiguro (MHA Vs Jujutsu Kaisen) [8-8-2] GRACE

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Mirio Togata Vs Toji Fushiguro

Shie Hassaikai Arc Lemillion will be used
Attack Potency: 711.97 Tons of TNT
Durability: 711.97 Tons of TNT
Lifting Strength: Class K

Toji Fushiguro

Attack Potency: Multi City Block (Can someone verify his value)
Durability: Multi City Block
Lifting Strength: Class M

Fight location: Forest Training Camp
Both in character but will do anything to win
Starting Distance: SBA
Speed is equalized
Lemillion has prior knowledge of the cursed tools.
Toji gets access to Inverted Spear of Heaven and Soul Splitting Katana and can change as he sees fit.





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Sorcerer Killer: @Duedate8898 @Sakamaki_Fuji @GodEarh206 @Catbowtie @Raiden38 @Voidnether @SomaKing13 @LaserPrecision
Anya Forger: @XSOULOFCINDERX @Arkansalter2
 
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Doesn't Toji just neg Permeation with his Cursed Tools since Cursed Energy can interact with intangible beings? Mirio can still fight without relying on his quirk but thats still a pretty big advantage for Toji.
 
Doesn't Toji just neg Permeation with his Cursed Tools since Cursed Energy can interact with intangible beings? Mirio can still fight without relying on his quirk but thats still a pretty big advantage for Toji.
If this is correct, theres like around a 6x ap and durability difference between the two so he would have to keep switching between ISOH and Soul split. Unless Lemillion ends up yoinking the weapon.
 
Doesn't Toji just neg Permeation with his Cursed Tools since Cursed Energy can interact with intangible beings? Mirio can still fight without relying on his quirk but thats still a pretty big advantage for Toji.
Wait a minute I just realized. Do ALL cursed tools just interact with intangible beings. I was under the assumption it was just ISOH doing the carrying against permeation
 
Lemillion wins via being able to phase through Toji like Ghost in the Mcu could.

He's also stronger as he can punch Shigaraki's body without breaking his hands.
 
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Lemillion wins via being able to phase through Toji like Ghost in the Mcu could.
If your talking about him using permeation to phase through peeps to kill them, Lemillion doesnt use his quirk like that in character.
He's also stronger as he can punch Shigaraki's body without breaking his hands.
Shie Hassaikai Arc Mirio is being used here so he doesn't scale to Shiggy.
 
Lemillion wins via being able to phase through Toji like Ghost in the Mcu could.
IDK what that means, but Mirio literally cannot do anything to his opponent's internals with his Quirk. If he makes his body solid while inside of other matter, he'll be forcibly ejected out of said matter at high speed. And the matter he gets ejected out of shows no sign of damage or deformation at all.

It's not just extremely out of character, but literally impossible.
 
How many times would Toji have to land Soul splitting Katana to finish Lemillion?
The katana doesn't cause instant death, but it does ignore durability. All he has to do is land a fatal strike. Chopping off a limb would led to blood loss in moments. Severing a major artery would do so as well. Considering his profession, I'm certain Toji knows the location of such arteries.

I would like to say that Mirio's ability to dodge, even without his Quirk is absurd. While Quirkless, he avoided Chisaki's attacks for 5 minutes. He didn't just survive either. He was able to hit Chisaki multiple times, and protect Eri from him as well. Chisaki is trying to hurt Eri because he's the only one who can heal her. If she took damage, Mirio would have no choice but to give her to him in order to save her life. A single touch from Chisaki, even a single finger, is instant death as well.

Chisaki can do insane stuff with his Quirk, and yet he failed to kill Mirio or even scratch Eri in that amount of time. Even 20% Izuku, who is faster than Mirio, and has Analytical Prediction as well, struggles to avoid Chisaki's spikes. This is an insane feat, since Chisaki's spikes are Low 7-B and could easily impale straight through him.

I believe the current calc Toji scales to is Yuji's durability, at 114.36 Tons of TNT. However, the calc is already accepted to be flawed.

Their ratings will change in the future, but I don't know when or what value they'll be at when it changes.

Toji's attacks don't even compare to the complex stuff Mirio had to avoid against Chisaki, and he can use his Quirk to move around underground. Toji cannot track Mirio once he goes underground either, he'll only be able to detect him when he makes himself solid. Since he's intangible, he doesn't vibrate the air at all.

I think Mirio takes fight pretty easily. His AP is over 6x higher than Toji's durability, meaning a single strike will inflict serious damage.
 
All cursed tools have Cursed Energy which can interact with intangible beings.
Would this even actually work? Cursed Energy affects intangible beings, yes, but those intangible beings are unable to be hit due to their intangibility being based on more spiritual type means, as physical manifestations of fear or hatred or a general negative emotion/response to an idea. Mirio's intangibility is scientific, the displacement of matter. So great is this that the body is incapable of utilizing basic physical sense because going intangible and affecting your own particles removes the possibility of foreign particles coming into contact with you. So he can't see, hear, or breathe, etc. It's like comparing being a Ghost allowing you to walk through walls to the Flash's phasing. Yeah, you're still going through walls and being intangible, but the mechanics of those things are entirely different.

I think the Soul Split Katana would work because it targets the soul itself in its strikes, so y'know you don't really have to question that one, but are we certain that any Cursed Tool would work thanks to Cursed Energy? Because that seems to be a bit of a stretch.
 
Toji does have a bit of a healing factor and he did also not instantly die from Gojo obliterating a third of his body with Hollow Purple so I can see Toji surviving quite a few hits before going down.
 
I think if Lemillion kept phasing in and out, Toji would just sneak off, summon a massive horde of Fly Head Curses to distract Lemillion (Which should be effective given it'll be thousands of invisible enemies surrounding and attacking him), and then go for a killing blow with Split Soul Katana like so. If that proves ineffective, he could just make a makeshift weapon out of Inverted Spear of Heaven or Soul Split Katana and then attack from a distance. Bare in mind the chain can extend infinitely. I don't think he'd stay on the ground and let himself get clobbered by some dude 6x stronger than himself when he's as strategic as he is.
 
I think if Lemillion kept phasing in and out, Toji would just sneak off, summon a massive horde of Fly Head Curses to distract Lemillion (Which should be effective given it'll be thousands of invisible enemies surrounding and attacking him), and then go for a killing blow with Split Soul Katana like so. If that proves ineffective, he could just make a makeshift weapon out of Inverted Spear of Heaven or Soul Split Katana and then attack from a distance. Bare in mind the chain can extend infinitely. I don't think he'd stay on the ground and let himself get clobbered by some dude 6x stronger than himself when he's as strategic as he is.
Honestly who has the environment location advantage for this fight since its in a forest.
 
Honestly who has the environment location advantage for this fight since its in a forest.
Prolly Toji. Dude loves to hide. Gojo even thought he hid in the forest in one of the scans I sent. He's also very mobile, and would use the trees as footholds for leaping (not that he needs to). Makes it easier for him to get out of reach and out of sight.
 
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Prolly Toji. Dude loves to hide. Gojo even thought he hid in the first in one of the scans I sent. He's also very mobile, and would use the trees as footholds for leaping (not that he needs to). Makes it easier for him to get out of reach and out of sight.
Do you have any vote for who would win? Me personally it could go either way.
 
Do you have any vote for who would win? Me personally it could go either way.
I'll wait a bit before casting any judgement. This thread is pretty early on in its livelihood. Would be premature to vote immediately after providing reasoning for one side methinks. I do think Toji has the weapons and cunning to assassinate Mirio though.
 
I think Toji can take this.

While Mirio should have the AP advantage and potentially speed if we count his boosting with his quirk as a speed boost, Toji should be able to take this due to his kit, ability to predict Mirio in turn, and his own great mobility.

Mirio's biggest benefit is that Toji knows nothing about how Mirio's kit works to start. As Toji relies on reading the environment itself to predict his opponent, Mirio's ability to phase means at times it should be harder to predict due to Mirio essentially not affecting the environment sporadically. That means Mirio should be able to get off a few solid hits to start. While he should have the AP to put Toji out of commission temporarily, its unlikely Mirio would go for the kill shot which is why he ultimately loses in my mind.

Once Toji is in spot where he appears out of commission or if Toji chooses to dip beforehand, he'd have enough time to heal up and then go into the fight fresh as he can be. From there, Toji should be more use to the strange timing and way in which Mirio utilizes his power, allowing him to effectively predict and landing a killing blow with either the soul split katana or heavenly spear. While Mirio has the ability to use his phasing to shoot out of things for his maneuverability Toji has the ability to hop off the air to control where he ends up and react to whatever Mirio might through his way. While neither has ever fought an opponent with comparable predictive abilities, I do think both would be able to land blows on each other and that Mirio's inability to recover from his as quickly ultimately puts Toji ahead enough for this fight.

I'd say most likely Extreme Diff for Toji.
 
I think Toji can take this.

While Mirio should have the AP advantage and potentially speed if we count his boosting with his quirk as a speed boost, Toji should be able to take this due to his kit, ability to predict Mirio in turn, and his own great mobility.

Mirio's biggest benefit is that Toji knows nothing about how Mirio's kit works to start. As Toji relies on reading the environment itself to predict his opponent, Mirio's ability to phase means at times it should be harder to predict due to Mirio essentially not affecting the environment sporadically. That means Mirio should be able to get off a few solid hits to start. While he should have the AP to put Toji out of commission temporarily, its unlikely Mirio would go for the kill shot which is why he ultimately loses in my mind.

Once Toji is in spot where he appears out of commission or if Toji chooses to dip beforehand, he'd have enough time to heal up and then go into the fight fresh as he can be. From there, Toji should be more use to the strange timing and way in which Mirio utilizes his power, allowing him to effectively predict and landing a killing blow with either the soul split katana or heavenly spear. While Mirio has the ability to use his phasing to shoot out of things for his maneuverability Toji has the ability to hop off the air to control where he ends up and react to whatever Mirio might through his way. While neither has ever fought an opponent with comparable predictive abilities, I do think both would be able to land blows on each other and that Mirio's inability to recover from his as quickly ultimately puts Toji ahead enough for this fight.

I'd say most likely Extreme Diff for Toji.
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I don't see anything to suggest Toji could adapt to Mirio's movements, which is completely foreign to him. A single strike from Mirio would break bones. I think people are underestimating what a 6x difference is. It's basically 1.3x away from the one shot value. Mirio is also going to get even more used to Toji's movements as well.

He's aware how people think about how to get past his Quirk, and him knowing his weapons can hurt him will make him extremely wary of it. His own feats of prediction far surpass anything Toji has done or dealt with. Chisaki's attacks are far more numerous, complex, and Mirio can avoid them for 5 minutes without intangibility.

I believe Mirio can handle Toji's movements.

Also, I find the Low-Mid regeneration for Toji and Maki to be suspect. All it says is that he suspects Maki has internal damage, which is extremely vague. Why assume this gives them Low-Mid regeneration? I don't see how this goes past High-Low regeneration. Actually, nothing suggest she had severe organ damage, or that she can regenerate severed fingers, toes, or ears. Note, that's not optional, only reattaching lost limbs is optional for High-Low, the rest is something she needs for High-Low.

A character suspects she has internal damage with no clarification on how bad it is? That's Mid-Low regen at best. I don't see anything that suggest Maki or Toji could even heal a snapped bone. I can see Mirio striking him in the solar plexus to make him lose his breath, or take out his limbs to prevent him from moving.

Mirio doesn't actually know how strong Toji is, so he might strike him in the head while attempting a KO, and accidently dislocate his jaw and fracture his skull. In the same vain, Toji has no idea how strong Mirio is either. He might think he can get away with blocking a strike, and be in for a surprise when his arm breaks.

Due to SBA, both Mirio and Toji will start 4 km away. Considering the distance, Toji will use the Chain of a Thousand Miles when Mirio gets closer, as I don't see him using from 4 km away. However, Mirio is sneaky and won't just pop up in front of Toji, who has no way of tracking him while underground.

Early on, Mirio should be able to cleanly close the distance and land a solid hit on Toji, who'll be confused by his opponent not disturbing the air or making vibrations. I can see him guessing Mirio's intangibility before he can reach him. But Toji's ranged attacks with the chain aren't hitting Mirio.

Toji has no idea Mirio cannot see Cursed Spirits. I imagine if he does use the Fly Heads, it'll be for cover, and he'll be surprised to see Mirio doesn't react to them. I don't think Toji's dumb enough to attack without realizing that, but it's something to consider for him, since Mirio won't lose sight of him due to them.

Fly Heads are nowhere close to 8-A, they'd feel like feathers to Mirio. Heck, normal people like Mirio don't even notice them, they just feel a strange weight on them. At most he'd feel like something is crawling on him, but nothing more. Fly Heads are so weak that they aren't even considered Grade 4. The minimum Grade 4 cursed spirits are so weak that a wooden bat would be enough for them, assuming conventional weapons worked on them.

A normal human could likely kill a Fly Head without a weapon if they weren't invulnerable.

The majority of his focus will remain on Toji, who can kill him with his weapons. He'll realize this sensation isn't a threat instantly and ignore whatever it is. He'll probably think Toji's Quirk makes him feel weird bugs crawling on him or whatever. There only use for Toji was cover, which fails because he cannot see them.

Toji cannot escape Mirio either. Since when trying to run in a forest, he'll have to avoid obstacles like trees. It won't even slow him down for more than a fraction of a second, but Mirio being able to ignore them gives him an advantage. The fact he can predict his opponents movements while he can't see due to his Quirk, means that Toji cannot escape by losing line of sight. Mirio is just used to fighting without being able to see at certain points.

Even ignoring my opinions on his regeneration. Mirio isn't going to give Toji the time to regenerate to begin with.

Sorry if I'm coming off as rude here, I'm trying my best.
 
I don't see anything to suggest Toji could adapt to Mirio's movements, which is completely foreign to him. A single strike from Mirio would break bones. I think people are underestimating what a 6x difference is. It's basically 1.3x away from the one shot value. Mirio is also going to get even more used to Toji's movements as well.
Mirio's movements aren't that unique. He's just able to attack from odd angles, something Toji does as well. Both even do that weird thing where you hop all around an opponent before going in for the attack. Unless there's something particularly super unique that I'm forgetting about Mirio, he ain't that special. And my point in my post was that they'd both get used to each other's odd movements, Toji would just be allowed to make more mistakes than Mirio would due to his regen. Even with the AP difference as big as it is, Mirio's own habit of not going for the kill doesn't make me think he'll be doing anything which would really keep Toji from taking advantage of his regen.
He's aware how people think about how to get past his Quirk, and him knowing his weapons can hurt him will make him extremely wary of it. His own feats of prediction far surpass anything Toji has done or dealt with. Chisaki's attacks are far more numerous, complex, and Mirio can avoid them for 5 minutes without intangibility.
Chisaki's attacks are for sure numerous, they are not complex however. He makes the floor spikes then does it again. There's nothing complex about how Overhaul is attacking Mirio. Reread Chapters 150-152 for yourself, it ain't nothing special. And as most of that fight is offscreen, there's little else to reveal if Overhaul was tossing out some weird combos. And from how Overhaul fights in general, he's a pretty direct guy as well. Mirio's prediction feats aren't really anything that offers a reasonable chain of scaling to make him something so unique to or next to Toji.
Also, I find the Low-Mid regeneration for Toji and Maki to be suspect. All it says is that he suspects Maki has internal damage, which is extremely vague. Why assume this gives them Low-Mid regeneration? I don't see how this goes past High-Low regeneration. Actually, nothing suggest she had severe organ damage, or that she can regenerate severed fingers, toes, or ears. Note, that's not optional, only reattaching lost limbs is optional for High-Low, the rest is something she needs for High-Low.
Take that chain up in a CRT please, mainly because the Regen that Toji and Maki would have should be enough to deal with what Mirio is throwing out here. High-Mid is what would be accurate in this case. Beyond that, Maki later on has two separate instances where she would've for sure suffered severe internal organ damage (One a black flash from Sukuna and two when she gets two dismantles to the gut from a boosted sukuna). She hopped back into the fight shortly after the former occured and appeared alive and well after the later but she was out of the fight by that point. And vomitting up blood is a sign of severe organ damage.
Mirio doesn't actually know how strong Toji is, so he might strike him in the head while attempting a KO, and accidently dislocate his jaw and fracture his skull. In the same vain, Toji has no idea how strong Mirio is either. He might think he can get away with blocking a strike, and be in for a surprise when his arm breaks.
Mirio as a hero is incentivized to hold back naturally. As established when fighting class 1-A, he wasn't out there accidentally breaking the bones of Mineta while only knocking Kirishima out even though these'd be differently tough individuals. It is very unlikely that Mirio will accidentally hurt Toji more than he intends.
Due to SBA, both Mirio and Toji will start 4 km away. Considering the distance, Toji will use the Chain of a Thousand Miles when Mirio gets closer, as I don't see him using from 4 km away. However, Mirio is sneaky and won't just pop up in front of Toji, who has no way of tracking him while underground.

Early on, Mirio should be able to cleanly close the distance and land a solid hit on Toji, who'll be confused by his opponent not disturbing the air or making vibrations. I can see him guessing Mirio's intangibility before he can reach him. But Toji's ranged attacks with the chain aren't hitting Mirio.

Toji has no idea Mirio cannot see Cursed Spirits. I imagine if he does use the Fly Heads, it'll be for cover, and he'll be surprised to see Mirio doesn't react to them. I don't think Toji's dumb enough to attack without realizing that, but it's something to consider for him, since Mirio won't lose sight of him due to them.

Fly Heads are nowhere close to 8-A, they'd feel like feathers to Mirio. Heck, normal people like Mirio don't even notice them, they just feel a strange weight on them. At most he'd feel like something is crawling on him, but nothing more. Fly Heads are so weak that they aren't even considered Grade 4. The minimum Grade 4 cursed spirits are so weak that a wooden bat would be enough for them, assuming conventional weapons worked on them.

A normal human could likely kill a Fly Head without a weapon if they weren't invulnerable.
Toji is very unlikely to use the Chain of a Thousand Miles as Mirio isn't flying and he normally goes in for close combat. Toji is also sneaky, as he chooses to engage his fight with Gojo from a space of surprise and surprised Geto as well. Which then goes into Mirio having the same issue as Toji, an inability to track him while underground. Toji himself has his enhanced senses to rely upon in locating Mirio's last location and anytime he pops back up above ground so unless Toji chooses to stay in the same spot for absolutely no reason both are likely to end up having to locate the other. Either way, its unlikely that the fight will be decided by who gets the jump first as both of their predictive abilities should allow for negligible damage to be earned on first encounter.
Toji cannot escape Mirio either. Since when trying to run in a forest, he'll have to avoid obstacles like trees. It won't even slow him down for more than a fraction of a second, but Mirio being able to ignore them gives him an advantage. The fact he can predict his opponents movements while he can't see due to his Quirk, means that Toji cannot escape by losing line of sight. Mirio is just used to fighting without being able to see at certain points.
Toji would move rapidly through forest as moving rapidly hoping around structures is how he chooses to engage Teen Gojo during their fight as he is someone who fights similarly to someone like Miriko.
 
He's aware how people think about how to get past his Quirk, and him knowing his weapons can hurt him will make him extremely wary of it. His own feats of prediction far surpass anything Toji has done or dealt with. Chisaki's attacks are far more numerous, complex, and Mirio can avoid them for 5 minutes without intangibility.
For what it's worth, he absolute ran through Dagon and the hundreds of fish projectiles he was spamming without being touched even once. Even once he started summoning big ass bugs to block his path, Toji just jumped through them and continued running Dagon down until he died. He also beat Geto pretty easily while being jumped by his Curses without being (unintentionally) tagged once.
Toji has no idea Mirio cannot see Cursed Spirits. I imagine if he does use the Fly Heads, it'll be for cover, and he'll be surprised to see Mirio doesn't react to them. I don't think Toji's dumb enough to attack without realizing that, but it's something to consider for him, since Mirio won't lose sight of him due to them.

Fly Heads are nowhere close to 8-A, they'd feel like feathers to Mirio. Heck, normal people like Mirio don't even notice them, they just feel a strange weight on them. At most he'd feel like something is crawling on him, but nothing more. Fly Heads are so weak that they aren't even considered Grade 4. The minimum Grade 4 cursed spirits are so weak that a wooden bat would be enough for them, assuming conventional weapons worked on them.

A normal human could likely kill a Fly Head without a weapon if they weren't invulnerable.
Mostly brought up Fly Heads as a distraction. Invisible enemies attacking him (Even if they are unable to harm him) should be relatively distraction. Especially if they're constantly surrounding him and getting in his way (When he's not intangible).
Toji cannot escape Mirio either. Since when trying to run in a forest, he'll have to avoid obstacles like trees. It won't even slow him down for more than a fraction of a second, but Mirio being able to ignore them gives him an advantage. The fact he can predict his opponents movements while he can't see due to his Quirk, means that Toji cannot escape by losing line of sight. Mirio is just used to fighting without being able to see at certain points.
He can just run up the trees, or jump up the trees instantly. I think I explicitly stated such in an earlier comment. And if he needs to, Toji can jump off of the air itself dozens of times in numerous different angles whilst fighting someone. Trees won't be an issue, and would only serve as an advantageous environment for him given his fighting style.
 
For what it's worth, he absolute ran through Dagon and the hundreds of fish projectiles he was spamming without being touched even once. Even once he started summoning big ass bugs to block his path, Toji just jumped through them and continued running Dagon down until he died. He also beat Geto pretty easily while being jumped by his Curses without being (unintentionally) tagged once.
To be fair, Toji was a fair bit faster than those two (Dagon was getting blitzed by someone who's below Mach 1 and Geto isn't all that faster)
 
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