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Invincible season 3 discussion

Reyne said:
No, Mark can push through the pain, but he barely does any better. Yeah, he has an adrenaline rush, but it's not some rage boost that bumps up every stat. It's him fighting without inhibition, punching hard enough to break his own arm. His head is his best asset, as it's inexplicably stronger than the rest of his body. It's how he bloodied Conquest so early on in the fight. He would've died if it weren't for him literally using his head.

At best, he could get a note stating he can literally push his body past it's breaking point. This is endurance, not strength nor durability. Like others have said, this is a Viltrumite thing. We have MANY examples by the end of the series. Samples even, from one dude.
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So removing what little differences there are between the show and comic profiles, alright
 
Tahoy49574 said:
Exactly, and what we have seen so far isn't viltrumite limits at all, it'd be if we saw him fighting without a heart or something like that
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They have different limits. Mark could barely move after his first beat down from Nolan but later now can push through the broken bones against Conquest.
 
Arkenis said:
They have different limits. Mark could barely move after his first beat down from Nolan but later now can push through the broken bones against Conquest.
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You can't possibly compare Mark when he was barely getting ahold of his powers with where he is right now that he's much more seasoned
 
NikHelton said:
Can anyone who reads the comics tell me which scenes were new? Did Conquest also tell Mark that he's the Dead Inside and 1000-7?
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Not a comic reader, but I'm pretty sure these scenes are original
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Before this thread dies out, can we talk about Bulletproof's profile ?

It says he "could slightly harm Invincible" which to being with the link doesn't even work. I'm assuming it means this instance, but he isn't hurting him at all here
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It says he briefly fought Dinosaurus, but he's annoying him at most and gets easily overpowered, and it claims he's stronger than Immortal because he used a bomb on him, but that was just to free the heroes from their cells

It also says he's "Capable of entering escape velocity" but he's literally never done that and it once again that he's faster than Immortal when it's evidence was faulty from the start

And finally, it features the infamous kinetic energy absorption which has never been shown in the entire story

Does he have any notable feat ?
 
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The_one_you_least_expect said:
I mean conquest directly says otherwise. The only reason why mark was able to do better was due to the fact that he was literally sacrificing parts of his body
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Conquest saying otherwise was directly antithesised by Mark proving him wrong almost immediately. Thought that was obvious? Simon Racioppa even says rage/high emotion boosts Mark's stats. Same line in the comic - Nolan clarified part of the reason why Mark was able to beat Conquest, despite being weaker, was rage/adrenaline and Kirkman said Conquest massively outstatted Mark in both their encounters, but Mark won due to sheer willpower/adrenaline. Also, do you realise the only way Mark was "sacrificing parts of his body" was overcoming natural mental blocks with hysterical strength? Literally the only way he can break his own arm in one punch - hysterical strength=rage boost.
 
Actually, Mark doesn't even break him own arm, on his own. Conquest was literally flying right at him. Nolan also breaks his fist when Thragg shifts his head towards it. It's the same principle. Like I implied before, the Thraxan hybrids could break themselves on stronger beings. Even Dinosaurus has enough power to break off his claws and teeth.

Unironically, Show Mark's head is more durable than the rest of his body.
 
Reyne said:
Actually, Mark doesn't even break him own arm, on his own. Conquest was literally flying right at him. Nolan also breaks his fist when Thragg shifts his head towards it. It's the same principle. Like I implied before, the Thraxan hybrids could break themselves on stronger beings. Even Dinosaurus has enough power to break off his claws and teeth.

Unironically, Show Mark's head is more durable than the rest of his body.
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Skulls are pretty tough relative to other parts of the body
 
Does anyone plan on calcing the feats from the new episode? More specifically the cloud-splitting and the shockwave. I feel like they could be could be good supporting feats, and the cloud dispersion might upgrade the verse past Small Country level.
 
Mark should get rage boost ability/whatever you wanna call it anyway.

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And I think Viltrumites not getting stronger (at least nowhere near to the extent as Mark does) is consistent due to this (more vague) and this (less vague).

Additionally, this is more of a reach, I think it’s possible that Mark simply inherited the human side of his biology for the hysterical strength/rage boost aspect. It’s consistent with Oliver inheriting more advantageous Thraxan genetics, which ultimately kept him alive. This is reaffirmed by Kirkman here.
 
Machmatej said:
Does anyone plan on calcing the feats from the new episode? More specifically the cloud-splitting and the shockwave. I feel like they could be could be good supporting feats, and the cloud dispersion might upgrade the verse past Small Country level.
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TV profiles are in Tier 6, and with the nuke feat that's nothing lol
 
Tahoy49574 said:
Before this thread dies out, can we talk about Bulletproof's profile ?

It says he "could slightly harm Invincible" which to being with the link doesn't even work. I'm assuming it means this instance, but he isn't hurting him at all here
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It says he briefly fought Dinosaurus, but he's annoying him at most and gets easily overpowered, and it claims he's stronger than Immortal because he used a bomb on him, but that was just to free the heroes from their cells

It also says he's "Capable of entering escape velocity" but he's literally never done that and it once again that he's faster than Immortal when it's evidence was faulty from the start

And finally, it features the infamous kinetic energy absorption which has never been shown in the entire story

Does he have any notable feat ?
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Bulletproof most likely got his arm fractured from Monox, who is just under Monster Girl, who is weaker but more skilled than a Monster Girl who could get knocked into her human form by an early Invincible, who is below Immortal. Said Immortal is fodder to the volcanc alloy drones, who can get ripped apart and crushed by the weaker Monster Girl. Kid Immortal and Immortalass casually defeat the volcanic alloy drones.

Kid Immortal/Immortalass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fire>Bulletproofn't

Bulletproof is a hack unless we do keep the absorption aspect of his powers description.
 
Reyne said:
Bulletproof most likely got his arm fractured from Monox, who is just under Monster Girl, who is weaker but more skilled than a Monster Girl who could get knocked into her human form by an early Invincible, who is below Immortal.

Bulletproof is a hack unless we do keep the absorption aspect of his powers description.
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I've just looked at his final appearance that issue and his arm looks fine to me, how did he break it
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Also Monax is not under Monster Girl at all, he could fight and overpower both her and Robot
 
ReturnofKhadz said:
Conquest saying otherwise was directly antithesised by Mark proving him wrong almost immediately. Thought that was obvious?
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This. Villain says something that the hero immediately disproves. That's the point. Mark even cuts off that very line by chewing off Conquest's shoulder, and proceeds to headbutt him to death, with Conquest's face being flattened while Mark took zero damage from the interaction.
 
Reyne said:
Said Immortal is fodder to the volcanc alloy drones, who can get ripped apart and crushed by the weaker Monster Girl. Kid Immortal and Immortalass casually defeat the volcanic alloy drones.
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Don't you see the inconsistency of what you are saying ? And they don't "casually defeat" them at all, their only appearance in the fight is grabbing one by the back, not even damaging it

Actually, I'd be fine with just deleting his profile (and maybe even Immortal's) as he doen't really bring anything interesting to the table debate-wise, but a Guardians of the Globe team profile would be cool
 
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Zabazab said:
This. Villain says something that the hero immediately disproves. That's the point. Mark even cuts off that very line by chewing off Conquest's shoulder, and proceeds to headbutt him to death, with Conquest's face being flattened while Mark took zero damage from the interaction.
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To be fair, that's just the show lacking details in general, in the comic Mark's face is completely disfigured and they say his skull was fractured in 3 different places
 
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Tahoy49574 said:
Don't you see the inconsistency of what you are saying ? And they don't "casually defeat" them at all, their only appearance in the fight is grabbing one by the back, not even damaging it

Actually, I'd be fine with just deleting his profile (and maybe even Immortal's) as he doen't really bring anything interesting to the table debate-wise, but a Guardians of the Globe team profile would be cool
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That's my point. The scaling is stupid. The boy was grinning, so I jokingly said it was casual. Nothing about that fight should've involved children, but it did.

A team profile would eliminate some headache. Just put them at 5A and leave it to the viewer to interpret who is the bigger gun on the team.
 
Tahoy49574 said:
I've just looked at his final appearance that issue and his arm looks fine to me, how did he break it
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Also Monax is not under Monster Girl at all, he could fight and overpower both her and Robot
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It confuses me as well, but Zandell said his doctor said it was just a fracture. It wasn't a case like with Mark, Nolan, Oliver, Allen, and everyone else who gets their arm bones exposed. I just figure Monox is the likely culpret, who was pinned down once Monster Girl had collected herself.
 
OK, MG was the only one KOed by Monox's blast. Le Brusier > MG

It's crazy that Fodder Thor and White Woman who Punches Above Average were able to knock Mark around in the show. The scaling is going to be crazy in the future.
 
Reyne said:
That's my point. The scaling is stupid. The boy was grinning, so I jokingly said it was casual. Nothing about that fight should've involved children, but it did.
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Let's just dismiss it then 🤷‍♂️, don't know why you keep bringing it up
Reyne said:
OK, MG was the only one KOed by Monox's blast. Le Brusier > MG
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Monax's blasts just paralyze, they didn't actually knock out anyone, her waking up last it's just for dramatic effect
 
Tahoy49574 said:
Let's just dismiss it then 🤷‍♂️, don't know why you keep bringing it up

Monax's blasts just paralyze, they didn't actually knock out anyone, her waking up last it's just for dramatic effect
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Because I think it's funny.

Conjecture, but funny scaling.
 
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