bendy vs sans

[Serlock_Holmes]

Bendy can heal from any damage that's dealt on him as stated by the keepers, whose were the responsible ones for testing several ways of physical and mental torture on Bendy when he was caught. And they explicitly say that the Ink demon didn't respond to any of them, no signals of pain, no signals of bruises, nothing. So I doubt KR will actually put some serious damage on him when he basically can't feel pain and can't be seriously harmed, at least not if you don't have that much of power. If Sans damages Bendy, dude will just regenerate like nothing and will keep spamming his attacks until Sans becomes tired. Teleportation won't work, because Bendy also has it too.

Also Sans never uses it during combat instead opting to sidestep attacks....and he can't even do it that much with his stamina. Also doesn't Bendy have ink which has hax?

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

Sans has soul hax but he also has Karma which ignores durability even if you dont have a soul. Its literally written on the damn profile…

Yes, my friend, I know about it and I literally followed this scenario and proved you that even with this controversial thing, Sans won't win as well. I'm only confused about the outcome of your CRT, which doesn't make sense. KARMA is Sans' SOUL hax, it's literally because of it that Sans can ignore your armor, invul and damage suppression, but that only because you have a SOUL for him to affect. Anyways, I won't be pressing this for much longer. Maybe I'll do a CRT to see it better in the future.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Yes, my friend, I know about it and I literally followed this scenario and proved you that even with this controversial thing, Sans won't win as well. I'm only confused about the outcome of your CRT, which doesn't make sense. KARMA is Sans' SOUL hax, it's literally because of it that Sans can ignore your armor, invul and damage suppression, but that only because you have a SOUL for him to affect. Anyways, I won't be pressing this for much longer. Maybe I'll do a CRT to see it better in the future.

I could see a crt being made for this.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

Also Sans never uses it during combat instead opting to sidestep attacks....and he can't even do it that much with his stamina. Also doesn't Bendy have ink which has hax?

He does, that's why I'm saying Sans is pretty much dead here. The ink from Bendy is able to interact, mess and consume souls upon physical touch, which means that one touch from Bendy and Sans is dead calcium. Not even that, one single drip of ink from Bendy is enough to do the job as we saw with Sammy in the books, and we have to remember that whenever Bendy is around, his ink is all around too since he makes the room to get all covered and messy with ink. That means Sans will be fighting in an inky room that can snap his mind or even consume his SOUL, making things even harder. I'm not even mentioning the fact that Bendy can summon an army of Searchers and Lost ones, creatures that are also made out of the same ink. Sans will have to take care of an entire army of Ink, a room filled with ink, and the Ink demon himself tryin' to beat his calcium ass. It's safe to say he will tire out REALLY fast.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

He does, that's why I'm saying Sans is pretty much dead here. The ink from Bendy is able to interact, mess and consume souls upon physical touch, which means that one touch from Bendy and Sans is dead calcium. Not even that, one single drip of ink from Bendy is enough to do the job as we saw with Sammy in the books, and we have to remember that whenever Bendy is around, his ink is all around too since he makes the room to get all covered and messy with ink. That means Sans will be fighting in a inky room that can snap his mind or even consume his SOUL, making things even harder. I'm not even mentioning the fact that Bendy can summon an army of Searchers and Lost ones, creatures that are also made out of the same ink. Sans will have to take care of an entire army of Ink, a room filled with ink, and the Ink demon himself tryin' to beat his calcium ass. It's safe to say he will tire out REALLY fast.

And sans gets tired sidestepping some basic attacks. Yeah he is pretty much dead.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

And sans gets tired sidestepping some basic attacks.

I wouldn't say that, since lad was also exerting himself by attacking between every dodge

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I wouldn't say that, since lad was also exerting himself by attacking between every dodge

Most of his attacks are based on moving his hands. It's not like he was swinging a sword or sth. Even on the profile it says that he grew exhausted due to dodging and from Bendy he has to dodge everything.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Most of his attacks are based on moving his hands. It's not like he was swinging a sword or sth. Even on the profile it says that he grew exhausted due to dodging and from Bendy he has to dodge everything.

Papyrus was huffing in the end of his battle even if you don't touch him, so using magic definitely does cost stamina

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Papyrus was huffing in the end of his battle even if you don't touch him, so using magic definitely does cost stamina

Well Sans page literally says he could have thrown infinite attacks.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

Papyrus was huffing in the end of his battle even if you don't touch him, so using magic definitely does cost stamina

Using magic does cost stamina. We can see Sans' slowing down his movements at the end of his battle where he slams Frisk's soul around with TK. He starts pretty fast but grows slow the more he moves their soul around.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

That's what his stamina says Stamina: Average (Can repeatedly dodge attacks from Chara, but after a while, he showed various signs of tiring, such as sweating, heavier breathing, and eventually beginning to fall asleep.[1] Despite this, Sans was still able to dodge an attack after growing fully exhausted. If Chara doesn't attack him, Sans will keep using his attacks without getting tired) but also Bendy has way higher LS so it can't be moved.

 

[ShionAH]

KARMA is Sans' SOUL hax, it's literally because of it that Sans can ignore your armor, invul and damage suppression, but that only because you have a SOUL for him to affect. Anyways, I won't be pressing this for much longer. Maybe I'll do a CRT to see it better in the future.

My man. Karma is literally coursing through our veins.

Last time I checked veins are not the same as ones soul...

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Yeah I have no problem with it. Though just because it's coursing through doesn't mean it's hurting it. The only reason that's acceptable is due to flowery. Is it possible that karma is just plain old poison though?

 

[Comiphorous]

Yeah I have no problem with it. Though just because it's coursing through doesn't mean it's hurting it. The only reason that's acceptable is due to flowery. Is it possible that karma is just plain old poison though?

the fact Karma is induced by literal soul attacks makes be believe it's not plain old poison.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

the fact Karma is induced by literal soul attacks makes be believe it's not plain old poison.

But it's also not just a soul exclusive thing since it has a physical effect. Aka it's coursing through the body except if it's meant in another way. Also it's effect is cleared out after some time.

 

[Robo432343]

if sans can defeat goku
then he defeat blendy

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

if sans can defeat goku
then he defeat blendy

How?

 

[Comiphorous]

But it's also not just a soul exclusive thing since it has a physical effect. Aka it's coursing through the body except if it's meant in another way. Also it's effect is cleared out after some time.

regardless, you'd have to prove that it's normal poison. right now it's accepted as a soul poison as it's induced by him hitting your soul, and with his intangible attacks he's not hitting the body when doing so.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

regardless, you'd have to prove that it's normal poison. right now it's accepted as a soul poison as it's induced by him hitting your soul, and with his intangible attacks he's not hitting the body when doing so.

Seems pretty fine to move through the veins. But yeah for any change I would need a crt.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

My man. Karma is literally coursing through our veins.

Last time I checked veins are not the same as ones soul...

Oh right, we're surely going to use a methaphorical sentence to prove that KARMA affects your physical body. Then "Doomed to the death of KARMA" should mean you'll about to die in an instant, right? Oops, but you don't, because KARMA can't kill you... huh.. funny. Also, let me tell you a secret, every SOUL magic also affects the physical body by natural, they just do it less damage than when they attack the SOUL directly.

 

[ShionAH]

Oh right, we're surely going to use a methaphorical sentence to prove that KARMA affects your physical body. Then "Doomed to the death of KARMA" should mean you'll about to die in an instant, right? Oops, but you don't, because KARMA can't kill you... huh.. funny. Also, let me tell you a secret, every SOUL magic also affects the physical body by natural, they just do it less damage than when they attack the SOUL directly.

Its such an simple thing...but you HAVE to make it complicated right. Crazy.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Actually realized that sans can't actually get rid of Bendy even if he manages to kill him since lad would just resurrect
Seems like sans finding the End Tape is his only wincon

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

Its such an simple thing...but you HAVE to make it complicated right. Crazy.

Yeah no dawg, It's simple, yet you're trynna explain it with the most weird and headcanon arguments I've ever seen. Like, c'mon, wasn't it obvious that KARMA already affected the physical body before?

 

[ShionAH]

What? So you agree KARMA affected physical body.

What are we even arguing about then tf?

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

Actually realized that sans can't actually get rid of Bendy even if he manages to kill him since lad would just resurrect
Seems like sans finding the End Tape is his only wincon

Wai- I just realized that the battle takes place in the Ink Abyss.. like.. dude.. isn't this a bit OP in Bendy's favor? Sans will be in constant touch with the ink, this shit is goin' to kill him without Bendy needing to do something.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

What? So you agree KARMA affected physical body.

What are we even arguing about then tf?

I was just complementing that although yes, KARMA affects the body, It does in a way weaker degree compared to what it does in the SOUL. Because as I said before, magic attacks coming from monsters also affects the body, it's just not that strong, but it does. So that CRT was not that useful since KARMA already did what.. well, you think it does now.

 

[Corin211]

Oh right, we're surely going to use a methaphorical sentence to prove that KARMA affects your physical body. Then "Doomed to the death of KARMA" should mean you'll about to die in an instant, right? Oops, but you don't, because KARMA can't kill you... huh.. funny. Also, let me tell you a secret, every SOUL magic also affects the physical body by natural, they just do it less damage than when they attack the SOUL directly.

I would agree, and doesn't Flowey state that Sans killed him multiple, I don't see it said anywhere that this was because of karma, it could just be that Sans killed Flowey using physical attacks.

 

[Corin211]

I don't know really tbh

 

[Comiphorous]

I would agree, and doesn't Flowey state that Sans killed him multiple, I don't see it said anywhere that this was because of karma, it could just be that Sans killed Flowey using physical attacks.

problem problem.

it's accepted sans is the only one not affected by the whole 'Dura neg but also durability affects it' thing. it's even on profile with him being the only one with full dura neg.

 

[Corin211]

problem problem.

it's accepted sans is the only one not affected by the whole 'Dura neg but also durability affects it' thing. it's even on profile with him being the only one with full dura neg.

I never said he didn't I said that Karma allows him to use Durability Negation which like I said before rather karma was used against Flowey is questionable.

 

[Corin211]

problem problem.

it's accepted sans is the only one not affected by the whole 'Dura neg but also durability affects it' thing. it's even on profile with him being the only one with full dura neg.

This argument is over.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

I would agree, and doesn't Flowey state that Sans killed him multiple, I don't see it said anywhere that this was because of karma, it could just be that Sans killed Flowey using physical attacks.

Sans could have killed Flowey with KARMA for sure, because as I said, every magic used by monsters can affect the physical body of the foe as well, the difference is that it does much less damage compared to when they hit the SOUL with magic. But the issue here is that KARMA would do even less of a damage on Soulless beings because of this rule. So in my view, Flowey just died because he had a shitty durability and because he didn't have any ways to regenerate himself. It's a total different scenario with Bendy where MF is durable as **** and also has regen on his favor, plus his OP hax with the ink.

 

[Corin211]

Sans could have killed Flowey with KARMA for sure, because as I said, every magic used by monsters can affect the physical body of the foe as well, the difference is that it does much less damage compared to when they hit the SOUL with magic. But the issue here is that KARMA would do even less of a damage on Soulless beings because of this rule. So in my view, Flowey just died because he had a shitty durability and because he didn't have any ways to regenerate himself. It's a total different scenario with Bendy where MF is durable as **** and also has regen on his favor, plus his OP hax with the ink.

Interesting...

 

[Comiphorous]

because as I said, every magic used by monsters can affect the physical body of the foe as well

sans wasn't affected by that downgrade. his magic doesn't affect the physical body. his attacks are literally intangible.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

sans wasn't affected by that downgrade. his magic doesn't affect the physical body. his attacks are literally intangible.

Well, then how come KARMA affects physical body if his attacks are intangible and only aim for the SOUL? This is confusing af.

 

[Comiphorous]

Well, then how come KARMA affects physical body if his attacks are intangible and only aim for the SOUL? This is confusing af.

the statement of KARMA going through your veins is nothing but flowery language. most of sans' flavor text is all flavor text like;

"You felt your sins weighing on your neck."

this flavor text is triggered by KARMA. but that doesn't mean sans inherently actually is affecting the emotions of people when using Karma.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

the statement of KARMA going through your veins is nothing but flowery language. most of sans' flavor text is all flavor text like;

"You felt your sins weighing on your neck."

this flavor text is triggered by KARMA. but that doesn't mean sans inherently actually is affecting the emotions of people when using Karma.

Oh, yeah no, I know about it. What is confusing me is that Shion's CRT doesn't make sense now then. The CRT was about KARMA affecting physical body because Sans killed Flowey many times, so what everybody concluded was that KARMA affects both SOUL and physical body now then. However, with the Intangible thing now being added, how will KARMA affect Flowey if they do not have a SOUL and if Sans' bones are intangible and do not affect the physical body now? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Comiphorous]

Oh, yeah no, I know about it. What is confusing me is that Shion's CRT doesn't make sense now then. The CRT was about KARMA affecting physical body because Sans killed Flowey many times, so what everybody concluded was that KARMA affects both SOUL and physical body now then. However, with the Intangible thing now being added, how will KARMA affect Flowey if they do not have a SOUL and if Sans' bones are intangible and do not affect the physical body now? That doesn't make sense.

i believe as of right now, his attacks are intangible, and won't affect a person's physical body. KARMA however has an implied feat of effecting a soulless being like flowey, and would be able to transfer onto the opponent but unknown where it actually 'goes' exactly.

 

[CoffeeBaiano]

i believe as of right now, his attacks are intangible, and won't affect a person's physical body. KARMA however has an implied feat of effecting a soulless being like flowey, and would be able to transfer onto the opponent but unknown where it actually 'goes' exactly.

But that's controversial. KARMA is only activated because of Sans' intangible attacks. If you literally fight him without getting damaged, KARMA won't activate. And since his attacks are intangible, that means KARMA only activates when it hits your SOUL, not your body. This only reinforces the idea that Sans might had killed Flowey with other means, because killing them with KARMA is pretty controversial.

 

[Comiphorous]

But that's controversial. KARMA is only activated because of Sans' intangible attacks. If you literally fight him without getting damaged, KARMA won't activate. And since his attacks are intangible, that means KARMA only activates when it hits your SOUL, not your body. This only reinforces the idea that Sans might had killed Flowey with other means, because killing them with KARMA is pretty controversial.

And completely contradicting everything sans has showcased of his abilities and leaning into a statement about killing flowey is less controversial??? we don't know how sans killed flowey, and can't assume the fact that sans did something completely contradictory to what he's already shown to do. sans' attacks are intangible and accepted that way, and Karma is enduced by said intangible attacks, and flowey was possibly affected by said karma. we don't have enough context to say exactly what happened.