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Can I have two votes here please




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Hello, do you mind just giving your two cents on this crt? It would be much appreciated 🙏🏿


Can you evaluate this? If you’re not familiar with the verse, Ill just give a short summary paragraph explaining my points:

Void shiki currently scales to 1-A for scaling to the "omnipotent" source of the verse, as she is believed to be it's avatar.
however, the statements are unreliable, because the way she says them expresses uncertainty in japanese.
Beings with the same nature and connection to this source as well do not have anything close to omnipotent feats or showings, and their profiles reflect that. for example, another character in the verse is only tier 6 despite her connection to this source from birth just like shiki, the only difference void has is the unreliable statement of "being the root itself."

However, this is contradicted, as statements put a girl who is physically an average human, but with an ability that ignores durability, above her in capabilities. If she was truly an avatar of this 1-A source, she would be able to replicate this exact ability, but at a higher scale. Not to mention that the strongest character in the verse as stated in a guidebook, is 1-C. She also has stated to have to fight "like her life depended on it" against a weaker version of a character who is Tier 6. WOG also puts her equally to another character who is Tier 6.
Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?

A:
If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.
basically, the 1-A rating is heavily contradicted, as characters far below that are directly compared to her, or just flat out superior, the reliability of the statement nonwithstanding, as it is not only unreliable, but about 25 years old.
Hey Milly, Just a question, how does the wiki interpret the club book saying that the collective unconscious/Axiom was created by amoeba after they came into contact with Nyx since it contrasts the Axiom being the origin.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Well, for one, the CU has “layers”, so to speak. Think of it like the way oceans have zones. The part of the CU that was created was strictly the Kadath, the homeworld of myths. It was humanities faith in gods, and heroes of myths that originally sealed Nyx.

However, as we know in Arena, the Monad has existed even before form and concept. So, yes. No contradiction, only the Kadath was created.
Akioiscool
Akioiscool
Well I understand what your saying but It doesn't really make much sense given what's said.

The crown of this development was a plane of shared information between all living beings on earth, the so-called “Collective Unconscious”.

I think the misunderstanding comes from this line.

To make it simple, this is what gave birth to mythology and religion. Certainly, you know many stories of malevolent deities or demons being defeated by benevolent deities of virtues, which protect our world? These existences we call “gods” protect the balance in the suppressed, unconscious parts of our psyche.

And this line before it shows that the gods are just a bi-product, not what was made.

Moreover, people continued to give birth to abstract existences within the Collective Unconscious, which furthered the human evolution even more.



However, as we know in Arena, the Monad has existed even before form and concept. So, yes. No contradiction, only the Kadath was created.

Sadly, as for why People say that the CU predates Nyx crashing into earth, It's just a translation error, through and through.

"いま目の前に広がっているのは、その中でも最も深淵なる場所だ" "What’s spreading before my eyes now is the most abyssal place among them all."

Elizabeth uses "最も深淵", where "最も" stands for "most" and "深淵" for "abyss" - that's to say, "most abyssal", or "deepest"

As for the rest

"命が意味やイメージといった概念を手に入れるよりも以前からある領域" "A particular domain from before life could obtain notions such as meaning or impressions."
Second mistake of the translation: it said that such a realm existed before sentience or the "form" of living beings, when in reality only precedes meaning (意味) and () impressions/mental images (イメージ). I've also seen other translation being circulated, but it makes a similar mistake of misinterpreting "イメージ" as "shape, even as concept" or something along those lines. Naturally, there's no such thing in the description:

  1. "命が" - indicates that life (命) is the subject (が)
  2. "意味やイメージ" - I already explained it
  3. "といった概念を" - means that the previous ("といった" means "such as") concepts or notions (概念) are the object (を).
Thus "意味やイメージといった概念を" means "concepts such as meaning and impressions". The rest of quote is:

  • "手に入れる" is the potential version of "to obtain" (can obtain).
  • "よりも" tries to communicate a bigger distance or quantity in the following adjective. I didn't translate it, since it wasn't needed, but it'd mean something like "more/even".
  • "以前から" is "from (から) before (以前)"


    At most, such realm could precede the existence of archetypes, but the presence of Erebus makes me doubt that.


    That said, it is brought up in P2 weirdly enough. (Edit: Actually it makes sense. Tatsuya Scenario was made in 2012, which is after the director change and the retcon from P2)

    "Memory occasionally brings about much distress and suffering, but it is absolutely necessary to distinguish oneself from others and manufacture one’s own psyche. Ever since it began, life’s memory has accumulated unbroken, passing through individual experiences and spanning several generations. And so it has given shape to Kadath and the Collective Unconsciousness, thereby becoming a foundation for the next generation." - Nodens, Tatsuya's Scenario.
Can u vote here?
The full power of Frisk soul is High 7-C because it rivals the entirety of Underground and blah blah blah
But I have a question.
Would Frisk at LV 20 count as if their soul was at their peak (without counting 2-B Frisk)?
Would LV 20 Frisk be High 7-C?
Hello your opinion on this thread would be helpful


hii

when u’re available n when u have the time, may u check this thread out? i got input from two staff members but like im still not sure if i need another staff member to check it out before i apply the changes, so im js asking just in case
Hi there. If you have the time for it, please can you check out this CRT?

Hi can you vote here?

Since you made a hunter matchup and I saw you make a South Park one could you take a look at this one please thanks
Excuse me could you take a look at this mlp matchup I made thanks


Could you check out this mlp matchup please thanks
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Hello, this circle represents our universe. This circle is inside a cube. If the circle is 4D, then how many dimensions would the cube have?
Hi your opinion on this thread would be helpful

Hello Armor.
Hope you're doing good. Sorry for bothering you.
I have these two simple calcs (one, two) from a beat 'em up indie game, would you mind evaluating them?
Thank you.
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GoldenScorpions
GoldenScorpions
Thanks for the evaluations. I left a comment on the second one.
By the way, do you get notified when someone responds to a comment you make in a blog, or only if they @ you?
Hello I noticed you on a lot of Jackie Chan Adventures related discussions and wanted your 2 cents on this small W.I.P VS blog I made for Jackie

Letting you know I did any Frag values based on what you recommended for the scene itself with most of the calcs but there are some that are new/original to the doc

I'm hoping it would help boost some stats and get better skill sets

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Kyleb79
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Oh yeah as I suggested in my blog. Daolon blowing up the vault door would probably be better suited for Grey Cast Iron. Taking from Dark Cariocoa's quote of them being made of iron cast.

I do know another occasion where Section 13 made a vault and it was stated to be made of titanium, 12 inches thick; but unknown if it applies here.
Lucia_Ohma
Lucia_Ohma
I'd like to mention I don't really know how to blog lol so I preferred just making calculations lol. I'm wondering if your blog also has any of the noteworthy items Jackie might own by virtue of being inside of Uncle’s store cause he's kinda lacking in the equipment department

I don't see the wipe out city statement being overtime at all since it originates from absorbing energy from a storm cloud that covers all of San Francisco which gets in the Megaton range, JCA PS2 game also has Tchang Zhu flat out create a storm also spanning the City upon his arrival so it's pretty consistent

Bai Zha also made a giant Tsunami upon her second arrival so she did have the capabilities of doing it herself, the PS2 game also confirms it by stating she would do exactly that. Flooding the city with the buildings leaking out wouldn't make much sense since Atlantis is entirely underwater, no structure is leaking above and like Finn says "Doesn't an underwater city need to be wel...underwater?" To which Bai Zha even yes to that statement. Unspecified timeframe is also precisely why I used Potential Energy instead of KE for the flooding because Bai Zha can conjure up huge bodies of water anytime she wants immediately with Drago stating he has "An entire ocean" to manipulate when he got Bai Zha's power he was even about to flood the entire Island Jackie and the others played those games at in the same episode unfortunately I couldn't find of an exact size of the Island so I just went off of the Tsunami we got in the episode
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In terms of Jackie's potential weapon arsenal this is what I have: Shield, windshield wipers, bass fishes, staff, paddle, crutches, ski gear, Flipper, Ladder, Metal Pipe, Ladles, Umbrellas, Yoyo, Rake, Mop, Stick, Miniature Merchandise Baseball Bats, Grocery Bags, Spear, Stanchion, Key to the City, Drum sticks, Cymball of drums + Guitar, Pirate Sword, Club, Pick (When he was the size of ant), Hockey Stick, Base Holder of an Umbrella, Shepherd’s Crook, Metal Rod, Broom, Needlefish Prop, Curved Adze

Maybe so for weather manipulation. Although I think it'll just scale to that rather than anyone usual AP.

In terms of Bai Tza. She doesn't seem to use her own AP to sink it. More rather she wanted to create an earthquake to sink the entire city underground. Toying with the fact earthquakes happen there all the time. First was creating an entire pool to create too much pressure the underground subway vault. And second time she was using Tsunami's. Although these Tidal waves weren't typically big enough, so it probably would've taken time.

Although the video game is interesting cause she does say a giant tidal wave is going to cover the entire city. I dunno about the canonicity of the game and series since a lot of the story beats don't line up at times.



Vote here please now

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JnSteHar002
JnSteHar002
Just did. Also, anything you want to say/post on my thread here?

hiii

when u’re available and when u have the time, could u take a look at this thread? just to give u a heads up its mcu-related n like idk if ur interested in that
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