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DC Douglas's voice is in for a real workout on this one, eh?

Anyway, rules for this match:

- Kira is in his Kosaku Kawajiri key (not sure if restricting Bites the Dust is against the rules for VS threads or not, but if not, then BTD is restricted)

- Wesker is at High 8-C

- Battle takes place in Central Park; the fighters start from 20 meters away. Speed is equalized.

Albert Wesker Uroboros-0
Unit Kosaku Kawajiri (Blue)
Disguised David Bowie: 7 (NekoMorgana, Bedroombedrock, Tonygameman, Armorchompy, Jamesthetaker, PaChi2, Stalker Maggot)

Dangerous Bioterrorist: 0

Inconclusive: 0
 
Hmm, now this is interesting. And restricting BTD is allowed.
 
That they are! And since these are arguably two of DC Douglas's best-known voice roles, why not?
 
Is Kira even truly MFTL? He's slower than Crazy Diamond who punches at 300KM and not 600KM like Pucci (the only MFTL character). Plus he moves about as fast as an ordinary human, it shouldn't have taken him a while to go to that one place Cinderella's user owns and kill her, if he was truly MFTL.

Doesn't matter anyway cuz Wesker can't see mind / soul / life energy which is what composes a Stand so Kira can just blow him up while he's off guard, send Hayato or someone else to trick Wesker into triggering Bites The Dust, or just send Sheer Heart Attack wherever he is and just sit back and drink some tea.
 
Bites the Dust is restricted, but your argument is sound, so I'm counting that as a vote for Kira.
 
>Is Kira even truly MFTL? He's slower than Crazy Diamond who punches at 300KM and not 600KM like Pucci. Plus he moves about as fast as an ordinary human, it shouldn't have taken him a while to go to that one place Cinderella's user owns and kill her, if he was truly MFTL.

You're joking right? Ignoring the fact that Crazy Diamond punches significantly faster than 300km (and has a lightspeed feat, and in the very next chapter he's in is casually plucking bullets out of the air, which is already >>>>300km) the 300km line is disproven in the exact same sentence it's said. 600km Pucci is never actually said anywhere. Not to mention you're confusing movement speed with reactions and combat speed. No shit Kira cant run at MFTL speeds, doesnt change the fact he can react to MFTL and his Stand Killer Queen is MFTL.

>(the only MFTL character)

How is Pucci the only MFTL character when several characters have FTL statements and MFTL feats? Chariot has like 1 FTL+ and 2 MFTL feats. No offense but did you actually pay attention to the source material? In Part 4 alone we get 1 ftl feat, a lightspeed Stand and a ftl Jotaro statement.
 
Which is why I'm wondering why it's still a thing when on the verse profile itself links to a blog listing why. And the funny part is the blog is missing several FTL-MFTL statements and a handful of Rel-MFTl feats.

The 300km line is the worst counterpoint because Josuke himself in the exact same sentence says I guess and Well I never actually tested it myself. Josuke was just trying to sound tough so he picked a bigger number than what Highway Star was, much like his bad one liner against Atom Heart, the fact he says that he doesnt actually know and is just guessing is supposed to tell you that he's just bullshitting.
 
But I mean, there's a blog detailing that o the page. The wiki is meant to list things like that, you'd think some users would look a bit before saying things like that, in genral. This is like the 4th time this week, although thread is getting derailed so gonna drop it.
 
"How is Pucci the only MFTL character when several characters have FTL statements and MFTL feats? Chariot has like 1 FTL+ and 2 MFTL feats. No offense but did you actually pay attention to the source material? In Part 4 alone we get 1 ftl feat, a lightspeed Stand and a ftl Jotaro statement."

The sad part is half of those were hyperboles and didn't screw attack already debunk Polnareff / Star Platinum being MFTL? Hanged Man isnt MFTL if an ordinary guy like Polnareff (not Chariot itself) can see Hanged Man move. In b4 a long rant cuz I called a stand user an ordinary human being which is kinda true.

I'll leave it there, the bottom line is Kira beats Wesker's ass with ease.
 
>The sad part is half of those were hyperboles

Do you even know what hyperbole means?

exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

None of them are hyperboles, how is Jotaro being stated to be able to keep up and perceive light hyperbole in regards to a Stand moving at 98% the speed of light? How is Star Platinum being said to be the fastest Stand in history and even faster than both RHCP and The Hanged Man, both of which are lightspeed, hyperbole? How is Star Platinum being stated to be FTL in a bio that Araki has specifically gone on record stating exist to give clear cut factual data on Stands to make it less difficult for the original audience to understand as he kept on getting letters asking and saying that they didnt understand Stands that well so he created Stand Bios to help with that? (And that's ignoring the statements backed up by a decent handful of FTL+-MFTL feats, it aint just statements, it's both statements and feats that support the rating).

>didn't screw attack already debunk Polnareff / Star Platinum being MFTL?

No? In fact the dude the did the research didnt even read past Part 3, he watched Part 1-3 and that was it, he brought up the Part 6 Bio because it was brought up but he himself nor anyone in the team read past Part 3, or even did any extensive research (same goes for fotns, they half-assed that too, didnt even read it or read the prequel, just watchd some of the anime, if i recall they didnt even watch it all). The dude said himself in the after video. Screw Attack didn't debunk shit, all they did was out themselves as hilariously unreliable and halfass in their videos. Hell the fact they watched, not read already means they missed 3 manga exclusive lightspeed feats and the fact they stoppede means they missed a handful more too.

>Hanged Man isnt MFTL if an ordinary guy like Polnareff (not Chariot itself) can see Hanged Man move.

You're right, Hanged Man isnt MFTl, it's lightspeed, for being a literal beam of light that moves in a straight line and bounces of reflective surfaces and being stated to be made of light and move at light speed like ten different times. Ever think that maybe, just maybe that the dude seeing the lightbeam move has lightspeed reactions and not that the lightbeam stated to move at the speed of light isnt magically 900,000k slower than everything that suggests otherwise?

>In b4 a long rant cuz I called a stand user an ordinary human being which is kinda true.

No long rant on that front, you've already confirmed that your claims hold zero merit on this subject, no point telling you again given that's like the tenth time I've seen you say that despite knowing well that isnt the case. Hell I aint even sure I agree with Kira beating Wesker even, gonna have to come back on that.
 
Yeah, ScrewAttack's claims are usually off by a long shot. For VS threads, stick with what's actually been calculated on this site; you'll find that MFTL and MFTL+ is really, really common in JoJo - and it's been calculated and proven as such multiple times.
 
ok listen if you don't agree make a crt or something can we please talk about something that isn't jojo speed
 
gonna go with Kira, Wesker has an AP advantage but I think Kira will touch and explode wesker before he gets pummeled and beat into the ground
 
>What kind of strategys Kira would come up to defeat Wesker?

idk if Kira really wanted to he could just toss a coin at him and whether it hits Wesker or he blocks or deflects it (if he dodges he'd be safe) that would be enough to transfer a charge to him, then detonate him. Issue is would he even have coins on him? I mean he should and he had some on him when he encountered Shigechi but eh. Honestly he'd probably try using HA first and foremost, tenctacles shouldnt be much of a issue given KQ can vaporize tendrils on contact. Actually, if Kira can somehow get KQ to touch a tendril, if those tendrils are apart of him, which it is, he could light him up, Kira would just have to dodge a tendril while having KQ tap it.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
@DVD181
Why are you linking Disguised David Bowie to Yoshi page?

Anyway, would Kira can even get close to Wesker? In this form, Wesker attack like a mad man using his tentacles and *****. What kind of strategys Kira would come up to defeat Wesker?

The entire fight of Wesker is here . (It's only about 10 minutes)
Hahahaha WHOOPS, that wasn't supposed to happen.

Anyway, attacking Kira with tentacles is...unwise for Wesker, given that a single touch from Killer Queen would blow the tentacle up, and possibly Wesker too.
 
I thought you were suggesting he wouldn't do that, my bad. Anyway, Kira FRA
 
I have this issue:

What happens if Wesker attacks?

Wesker cant interact with or see KQ/SH. Wesker will attack Kira.

And KQ cant stop any of Weskers attacks because High 8-C.

So if Wesker attacks he either destroys Kira or KQ because the attack is aimed at Kira while Kira needs to first touch Wesker and then activate the explosion.

A single tentacle attack from Wesker is enough to split Kira in half. KQ is a short range stand and they are already at 20 m of each other. Wesker can cover that distance in one jump and his tentacles' range is higher than KQ's.
 
>KQ cant stop any of Weskers attacks because High 8-C.

Yes he can, KQ can vaporize tendrils on contact and Wesker along with said tendril and while Wesker has the tier advantage, it isnt so much that he's one shotting.

>A single tentacle attack from Wesker is enough to split Kira in half.

It aint hough, he's only like 4x stronger, not 7 or however much is needed to split someone in half.

>KQ is a short range stand and they are already at 20 m of each other. Wesker can cover that distance in one jump and his tentacles' range is higher than KQ's.

Literally doesnt matter because while Wesker has a longer range, that range still has to actually touch Kira and get pased KQ, who just has to touch a tendril, not even wesker himself, to kill him. KQ is capable of touching a tendril before the tendril hits Kira, given it's basically invincible in this match and while he doesnt have a long range it still does have range meaning it can meet a tendril on its way to hitting Kira, tap it, and then light it up given that the tendrils are Wesker. If KQ makes a tendril into a bomb he's also making Wesker into the bomb.

I'd also like to point out in case this gets brought up, Kira doesnt need to explode something to destroy it, he's vaporized things without an explosion before.
 
>So if Wesker attacks he either destroys Kira or KQ

I missed that part but he aint, he aint destroying, harming or ineracting with KQ in the slightest. KQ, for all intents and purposes, is invincible in this match.

>and then activate the explosion.

Bomb 1 doesn't need to pull the trigger if that's what you mean, while Kira often does do that, it ist needed and he's used Bomb 1 numerous times withot lighting the switch (Thinking on it, he only needs to manulaly detonate if he delays the effect, given we know he has to types of Bomb 1). BTD needs to light a switch though but Bomb 1 has multiple examples of Kira not doing that, like at least 5, it's kinda like how Dio can use The World without saying it even though he does half the time.
 
Im going to let you think why "KQ can stop Weskers attacks but wont ever by damaged by wesker" is bad.

If we treat it like this, this match isnt fair in the slightliest.

">A single tentacle attack from Wesker is enough to split Kira in half.

It aint hough, he's only like 4x stronger, not 7 or however much is needed to split someone in half. "

Kira. The 10-A human. No KQ. Since Wesker's attacks will go straight for Kira since he cant touch KQ.

Wesker scales to above 4 tons (stronger than the monster that performed the feat), whilr Kira barely scales to 0.76 tons.
 
Yes, Kira the 10-A human with 8-C durability that took probably a few hundred of those 0.76 ton blows to be knocked on his ass, who took em from a character who is vastly above the 0.76 ton character to begin with.

Also eh, Wesker is stronger than El Gigante yes, but by how much? We do not know and however much it is , it aint as big of a gap as that of between SP and Stone Free (who is stronger than characters that can one shot Stone Free, and while I'm still playing through the Resident Evil franchise, no such scaling like that exists for El Gigante and Wesker).

Literally all that needs to be done is KQ touches a tendril, match is won, because in case you forgot, the tendrils are apart of Wesker, it's no different than KQ touching an arm and vaporizing someone through that. Doesnt even have to flip the switch if he uses contact Bomb 1, ie the tendril will never actualy even reach Kira due to the fact the tendril, and Wesker along with it just got vaporized.
 
El Gigante is oneshot by Rocket Launchers.

Wesker in human form is stunned by Rocket Launchers.

That's the difference.

Surviving Jotaro's barrage isnt really impressive because I dont remember Jotaro ever actively trying to beat someone to death except Dio.

Out of curiosity how do we treat Kira getting infected by Ouroboros before killing Wesker?
 
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