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I Sign My Fate: Kirby vs Captain

Oh he is not, so it's a draw for me, Gran can't kill Kirby but he can debuff him to hell and avoid absorbtion with Unchained Bahamut's Power Null effect.
 
Danchou via Bahamut.

Is what i would say if it isn't out of character for Captain to just blast a smol and cute looking thing like Kirby.

So Captain will probably open up with stat amps and status effects to hinder Kirby as much as possible. Speed amps and barriers while Captain keeps Kirby with a summon at bay, probably a Omega Summon at first to see how strong Kirby is.

Kirby should have a massive AP advantage last time i checked. Or i may missremember but i remember Kirby as a verse to be a pretty strong verse AP wise. So Kirby will most likely oneshot Danchous summon casually, that will make Captain cautious as hell so they will bring up the heavy hitter summons like Bahamut, The World and other possible summons like Vesalgo and the Arcanums. Captain will equipp their more dangerous weapons too

So this fully depends on what Kirby can do, how many though speed "you ded" hax he has and how in character it is for Kirby to bust them out
 
Status effects works but stat amps and barriers aren't going to give Captain anything, Kirby's AP and dura are simply too much for them. I can elaborate on that if needed.

A summon against Kirby would be a terrible idea as he can just morality hax that via Friend Heart, in turn bestowing the summon the ability to use use Friend Hearts which it and Kirby can now use to heal each other when defeated.

Kirby's 2 IC moves are inhaling and Friend Hearts, so given how big those summons seem to be Kirby has no reason to not use that on them.
 
Yeah, i remembered correctly then. Kirby would have to deal with status effects like petrification and paralysis that dont take much to cast.

Turning summons against Danchou will only help for a short time. Danchou can easily force them back and they are way stronger and resist nearly all of of their hax in the first place. Using them against Danchou is basically nearly pointless. Inhaling them will be a even worse idea because that will make Dancho gets even more cautious and summoning Beasts like Proto Bahamut who will automatically atomisize and power null Kirby. Kirby would only get mediocre abilities because Danchou woudnt go full force on something innocent looking like Kirby.
 
First Witch said:
Kirby would have to deal with status effects like petrification and paralysis that dont take much to cast.
Turning summons against Danchou will only help for a short time. Danchou can easily force them back and they are way stronger and resist nearly all of of their hax in the first place. Using them against Danchou is basically nearly pointless. Inhaling them will be a even worse idea because that will make Dancho gets even more cautious and summoning Beasts like Proto Bahamut who will automatically atomisize and power null Kirby. Kirby would only get mediocre abilities because Danchou woudnt go full force on something innocent looking like Kirby.
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Paralysis works (I guess? It could be a nlf, idk) but petrification is pretty much Transmutation, which Kirby resists.

Can it tho? All low-tiers in Kirby who got morality haxed can now resist the passive morality hax of the pieces of this guy have, Friend Hearts by themselves can come out of the body of the user automatically (which is worth mentioning as they work by being close to a target), so how good is their potency on that?

If the summons know they are pointless they can just use Friend Hearts against them. I hardly see Kirby sucking anyone here, even if he does so, he can also discard his target into a Helper who can also use Friend Hearts.
 
Primal beast are tied to a concept, element or abstract basically giving them governance over that thing on a ridiculous scale that can even affect their own creators that gave them form in the first place and the only exception to that and can power null those concept are the original creator or parts of him that created all those concept, laws, logic, physics and others in the first place.

i also noticed how kirby actually have to knock out/weakened three mage sisters and hyness before attempting to use Friend Hearts on them which implies it can be resisted if the target is not fully vulnerable.

as for methods of hax. Bahamut can powernull and negate durability and EE (Bahamut EE can erase even Primal beast tied to a concept or abstract and as the destruction part of creator he can even destroy the concept behind it if necessary as he created it before he was split from his creation powers). Death can most likely inflict doom and death as was stated that not even The world who is a 4-A being with Type 5 and 8 immortality can escape it. Sariel with the Chaos weapon can erode the providence destroying even the logic and laws behind the existence.

as for turning his summons against him he can easily summon the 10 revenant weapons in his hand including the harp which hold power over the emotion of things as if they are tunes and he can easily use it tune them back to their morality.

as for using friend's heart on Captain in the Alter Ego lore he resisted even an alternate personality of himself created by the seraph weapons to puppet and control him and even belial stated that he even made it submit to him. at the very least kirby would have to weakened or knock out captain if he wants to use friends heart on him for it to work.

I'd vote for Captain via multitudes of hax that he use even in character against big threats
 
What am I supposed to get from that first part, exactly?

The ability is said to have multi-galactic potency on every profile in which it is and those guys have Resistance to it on top of at the time being corrupted by the guy whose scaling said potency comes from. It would be nothing but Game Mechanics anyway, by that logic the same can be said about his inhale.

Giving the stuff said before about Bahamut... Well, that. If death can prevent Kirby from recreating his body then that works to kill him, a being with type 5 & 8 Immortality not being able to escape it can be interpreted in many ways and only some mean that Kirby wouldn't be able to do that.

Potency of that tho?

That's not how it works, bro. By that logic Kirby wouldn't be able to just morality hax as easily as always the Mage-Sister when mindhaxed by Void Termina when fighting him.

As for the vote, I personally opinate it's premature. The arguments were barely beginning and, even if you were knowledgeable on Kirby, you said something that was false and no profile points out, meaning that you should have at least asked about it first. Also what "multitudes of hax that he use even in character"? That's kinda vague against someone with a decent number of resistances, ways to avoid getting reached by stuff and resurrection. Not to mention what do you even mean by "even in character" and "against big threats"? He is IC and he doesn't know Kirby.
 
I dont see any reason as to why paralysis shoudnt work.

Yes, they can. They sustain the existens of their summons through their special ability, so they can call them back by cutting them off. They basically just summon copies of their Primal Beasts.

And like i said, if Danchou sees Kirby turning his weaker summons against them then they will most definitly summon ProtoBahamut as Kirby proofed himself to be a clear threat to Captain. And Bahamut will automatically powernull and atomisize Kirby. Kirby will presumably return in his weird ghost form right? Bahamut can just roar and devour Kirbys soul then. Ghosts are nothing new to Captain, one of Captains crewmember is literally a ghosts. Not only that, they have Celeste who screw with gigantic masses of souls just by appearing.
 
If Kirby has no resistance to Paralysis, then it's gonna work.

And what logic make you conclude that Gran cannot revert a summon he and Lyria called themself?

As Witch said, atomization melt Kirby down pretty damn fast, and if he turn into a ghost, both PBaha and Gran has more than enough arsenal to fight intangible life forms, and of course with long range attacks to avoid Kirby's absorbing gimmick. Maybe Gran lacks defensive hax, but he by no means lack defensive tool to prevent Kirby from approaching him, wheter Force Field, Barrier, Speed Amp, and Illusions to boot.
 
The first part was to tell how strong Bahamut EE can go for he is the destruction part of the creator which allows him to destroy them because according to lucilius study on of crimson horizon the creator created them similarly topainting their world into the blank canvass of crimso

Death can cover and absorb a body with darkness (instantly according to what she did with nier) after killing them and by doing so make them one with her which gives her the ability to resu and memory manip them this works even to intangible beings such as primal beast who are deathless in the first place.

sorry for the lack of profile because GBF is currently new I'll try linking things.

as for the potency of 10 revenant weapon. each weapon is said of capable of splitting heavens and piercing a star and they are sealed for that reason but captain fully unlocked all of them and returned them to their original strength and captain can wield the soul of those weapons all at the same time with Azimuth. if that doesn't work Captain can also use Ultima Weapons which in their descriptions can make stars fall in resignation from its glint alone. and their atma version transcends Rebirth and Destruction which most likely at 4-A potency for they are created from the powers of Ultimate Bahamut

in response to big threats was on scenario if he sees Kirby suddenly absorbing weaker primal beast or casually defeating them he wouldn't hold back on using his strongest weapons and summons in response.

i also would like to ask if Kirby has resistance to precog
 
It kinda sounded like Captain could morality hax those summon back to his side, not just make them disappear.

The question for the potency was for the hax, not AP. Kirby's pretty much 3-C, any physical attack will do nothing to him and doom Captain.

Then again, they're kinda too big to suck and the moralty hax is also throw a heart at them that makes them super happy, if that alerts Captain of Kirby being a big threat then ok.

Kirby doesn't have resistance to precog. The rest of all good but it really seems as if Captain would have to time to do all their stuff before Kirby could even reach them (use summons, remove summons, use hax Kirby doesn't resist to win), which seems even more unlikely giving how they're required to not use things like strongest weapons as TheGreatJedi said before, any non-hax attack or hax Kirby may resist.
 
Yeah, a simple misunderstanding there.

Summoning is thought based so it woudnt take long. The main argument is that Captain will see Kirby as a actual threat upon seeing that he can casually wrestle of the controll over Primal Beasts, so Captain will realize that Kirby is a threat to them so they will summon Bahamut, who automatically atomisize and powernull Kirby.

If Kirby comes back as a ghost, then Captain knows whats up through his experience with ghosts and just let Bahamut soulhax Kirby. SBA puts a distance betweem then so Captain does have enough time to do this actions while Kirby has to close in.
 
Also not voting but the friend hearts are definitely shown to effect multiple targets at once like Pon and Con or The Three Mage Sisters (and possibly Hyness) so it could most certainly effect both summon and summoner simultaneously unless I've missed something.
 
Clarifying
Cumberjung said:
it could most certainly effect both summon and summoner simultaneously unless I've missed something.
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This would be the case if they were like, half a meter close, which I'm assuming isn't the case+the insane 4km distance. Although I kinda forgot that the Friend Hearts are spammable, so Kirby could just use 2 at once before the first one hits the target (like the gif in his profile shows), but that would require Captain to be at sight.
 
@Efi I suppose it should be clarified how close Captain's summons appear as well as how prevalent Captain is on the battlefield while summons are active.

Either way though I find it unlikely that Captain would make a difficult target given that Kirby is an expert at hitting targets much smaller than human size that can move as fast as him and sometimes even teleport.
 
Summons can appear close or far depends on what they are gonna be summoned for.

like lucifer appears above the clouds if using paradise lost, bahamut flies really far if going for skyfall or yggdrasil appearing above the enemy to cast axis mundi.

Captain have multiple ways to protect himself like Temporary invul and illusion and tends to let the summon do its work and sets up follow up attacks or summon while its on going. also Captain has precog with revenant weapons which gives him an edge if speed is equalized.
 
How likely is precog to be used in character and dose it take time to use?

Also I just realized that if captain would start with a minor summon in character like what seems to be established then Kirby is likely to treat it as such (like he would with Kracko Summoning a Waddle Doo for instance) and just go right past/through it to attack Captain. This being more true if the summon is far away and seems to pose less threat.
 
"Minor" summons for Gran is the likes of Tiamat and Ifrit, who has Multi-Continent feats regardless, so Kirbyh throwing Waddle Doo at them would be stupid. Plus, his Weapon Creation allow full access to awakened Revenant Weapons which attacks can pierce the stars, and Guider to the Eternal Edge form can literally nuke Kirby down from far away with them alone, fighting Gran and a summon would equal fighting two opponents at once technically.
 
Precog is passive for wielding two crown bow (which in his peak he can easily wield its energy in his hand and make them appear in thin air and is constantly using it to normally attack with Guider of Eternal Edge)

Captain summons are large size type 2 and tends to summon defensive once near enough to protect him in case of enemy directly attacking at the very least.

how does Friends heart interact against physical objects, energy beam and forcefield?
 
Thanks.

If it were to be too close Kirby would be able to effect both of them at the same time but even if it's far enough away the Kracko scenario I mentioned earlier dose involve a boss putting a summon directly in front of them to attack.

The friend hearts would effect a character if it hit something they were holding on to or wearing and can't really be attacked or deflected as far as I know it only really stops when It doesn't hit a target and goes into a wall or the ground or if the target's undefeated by it.

Worth mentioning that the Hearts are in no way threatening looking and would never be immediately assumed to be dangerous without knowledge on it like Kirby himself.
 
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