Acasuality shouldn't be remove just from Yhwach, but Mimihagi and Rei-O himself. The worlds existing is enough of a contradiction for this beings to have such power, since it's their past and it still exists.
We either remove acasulity from Yhwach, Mimihagi, and Rei-O or dicuss if another type of acasuality fits these characters. None should have type 2 because each one of this characters have a past which is still remmeber by everyone.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Bump. We need to conclude this.
Yhwach gets both Acasuality type 1 & 4 from Mimihagi and the Soul King. Those powers didn't work on Yhwach since he still had the powers he stole from Ichigo they were not remove from him the moment Ichigo's Bankai was fixed. Yhwach knew this so he wouldn't had allow it if he was gonna lose them. There's also the light novel mentioning that Ichigo regained his powers over time, after Yhwach killed and sealed away as an undead.Paul Frank said:Except tsukishima's past manipulation did work
That's how orihime was able to fix Ichigo's bankai
You don't get the acasuality type 4 from having those resistances, it gives those to you. You need a statement or evidence that they don't operate in the normal system of causality
I was under the impression that you knew that Mimihagi was an acasual per his embodimment. So, I was talking post-argument since Yhwach already absorbed Mimihagi.Paul Frank said:None of what you said at all supports either type 1 or 4
Why would Yhwach lose the powers he stole from Ichigo just because the later got his sword fixed
Yhwach knowing that would happen doesn't mean anything either, that just means he knew Tsukishima would use his power on Ichigo to help the sword be fixed. Ichigo regaining this powers overtime also again doesn't support acasuality for anyone
Why? How? Because?Paul Frank said:Because that was only brought up mid way through the thread
The thread was basically "Even if mimihagi is type 2, absorbing him doesn't give you type 2"
Then later in the thread it was brought up that embodying stagnation doesn't mean you have no past and no future, at the best it can mean no future
Is not a timeline but neither is the past. He doesn't change the past per say, Tsukishima insert himself into a person or object and changes the past of that target everything else remains unaffected. Orihime who reverts things to a point of time where they were healed, restore Ichigo's blade to that knew "timeline" that Tsukishima created in Ichigo.Paul Frank said:>made a timeline
Yeah imma need a scan for that one
Yes, his powers are doubled because Tsukishima and Orihime restore/create those powers from an alternative timeline and gave them back to Ichigo, so the ones he had taken from him by Yhwach returned to him over time as well.Dangai Ichigo said:Wait so after Yhwach is defeated Ichigo gets another amp, is that what's being implied ?
Chapter 456.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Wait wait wait. When in the hell did that happen?
It's like him slipping a bookmark into a point in time in the past of their lives, where their life is a book.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Something doesnt add up. Im pretty sure when Tsukishima says he's "inserting himself into their pasts", he's simply inserting himself into their memories of the past. Because if he's inserting himself into their pasts, that would mean he's time traveling into their pasts. Which doesnt make sense since he isn't physically doing so.
Is he projecting himself into their pasts when he stabs them with the Book of the End?
He changes the past in a different timeline and in the present as well because he could change the past of the ground to set traps in the current timeline against Byakuya, so he can do both.Dangai Ichigo said:Even though he would actually get destroyed if he went to fight Aizen and there was literally only Ichigo in that fight, if anything they just think Tsukishima helped when in reality Ichigo still did most of the work
He is still changing the past. In the light novels he makes a tree grow out of nowhere against Grimmjow.Dangai Ichigo said:Yes but then you remember that the ground is Yukio's Fullbring, so if anything he could have made that in the past Yukio added traps to cheat
Its not exactly "current". Tsukishima just went back into the past of the object he inflicted Book of the End on and in that past, set up early traps, which therefore go into the present to work for his benefit. Just as he did with Byakuya.AppleLord said:He changes the past in a different timeline and in the present as well because he could change the past of the ground to set traps in the current timeline against Byakuya, so he can do both.
Because he is no idiot. Only one would think of that and he said it himself that he didn't want to get involved. He only followed Ginjo's order to help Ichigo to pay him back for taking his powers away.ProfessorKukui4Life said:What does Tsukishima dying have to do with this?