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Xeelee Upgrade (High 1-B, Possibly 1-A)

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The Xeelee are a civilization of basically Gods, they have full control over the entire cosmology/all time and space.

the reason they can be high 1-B is because of the cosmology running on quantum wave functions.

" All about him were quantum wave functions.

They spread from stars and planets, sheets of probability that linked matter and time. They were like spiderwebs scattered over the aging galaxies; they mingled, reinforced, and canceled each other, all bound by the implacable logic of the governing wave equations.

The functions filled spacetime and they pierced his soul. Exhilarated, he rode their gaudy brilliance through the hearts of aging stars.

He relaxed his sense of scale, so that there seemed no real difference between the width of an electron and the broad sink of a star's gravity well. His sense of time telescoped, so that he could watch the insectlike, fluttering decay of free neutrons — or step back and watch the grand, slow decomposition of protons themselves..."

Timelike Infinity; ch.16


" Physically he seemed to be composed of a tight knot of quantum wave functions; now, cautiously, he began to unravel that knot, to allow the focus of his consciousness to slide over spacetime. Soon it was as if he were flying over the arch of the cosmos, *unbound by limits of space or time. *

"*He was beyond time and space. The great quantum functions that encompassed the universe slid past him like a vast, turbulent river*, and his eyes were filled with the gray light that shone beneath reality, the light against which all phenomena are shadows."


" Once two objects have been in contact they are forever linked by a thread of quantum wave functions. Once this had formed the basis of humanity's inseparability communications net. Now the prowling Paul found tenuous quantum functions arcing from the warships to forgotten battlefields scattered across the Universe. Paul knew that the humans had attacked the site of the Ring, at least once; so among these haunted wrecks there must be relics of those great assaults, and a quantum link for him to follow.

At last he found it.

The Spline ship was a mile-wide corpse, its spherical form distorted by a single, vast wound a hundred yards across. Within the wound, organs and dried blood were still visible. Paul imagined the agony of the creature as it had returned from the battlefield, its guts open to the pain of hyperspace…

But this corpse-ship was embedded in a web of quantum functions which spun all the way to Bolder's Ring; these sunken Spline eyes, hardened now, had once gazed upon the Ring itself.

Paul wrapped himself around a pencil of quantum functions. Absorbing them into his awareness was like being stretched, expanded, made unimaginably diffuse.

Cautiously at first, then with increasing confidence, he began to adjust the phases of the quantum threads, and the multiple foci of his awareness translated through spacetime.

Paul hauled himself along the quantum functions in search of Bolder's Ring.

It was as if he were sliding down a long, vast slope in spacetime. At first the slope was all but imperceptible, but soon its steepness was unmistakable."

Vacuum Diagrams; The Baryonic Lords (A.D 4,101,284)

  • These statements are mostly coming from the AntiXeelee, which would scale to the Xeelee as The anti-Xeelee is an artificial intelligence created by the Xeelee billions of years ago (or that the Xeelee will create billions of years ahead, in the far future) to ensure their great projects would be completed.*
(Also, most of the statements directly show people who generally feel/merge with the AntiXeelee consciousness basically become above All time and space. making the 1-A a possibility)
 
Yeah i wasnt saying they scale to the Xeelee, but the verse would be upgraded to 1-A
 
I'm aware, but its clear that the verse runs on quantum wave functions which supports them being in a quantum superposition state which would support the fact them creating hilbert space, which encompasses the entire cosmology (since, y'know, the wave functions do)
 
Hykuu said:
why are you pulling in charactres from other verses to try to disvalue the evidence?
mainly because creating type iv multiverse, (which is Downstreamers' 'supposed' feat) is much more impressive than merely above time and space of 'quantum multiverse'.

and quantum multiverse is just one type of multiverse. Downstreamers has all types of multiverses. including outerverses iirc. which is why someone said that creating type iv multiverse is very high in the 1-A.

... welp, I just remembered that the reason why DS hasn't been upgraded is not not because type iv multiverse in itself is debatable to be in 1-A, but because many said that novels should be analyzed first so they can really make sure that DS indeed created type iv.

but anyway, I apologize, it seems I confused the reasoning why DS hasn't been accepted as 1-A as something else.

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for 'above timespace' itself, I think its not 'metaphysical' enough.

but I seem to remember there's some meta-realm in xeelee above dimensions. but not sure of the name...

{ gray light that shone beneath reality, the light against which all phenomena are shadows. }

sounds like platonism (usually True platonism does warrant 1-A). but just FYI, just being able to be inside outerverse doesn't mean you are 1-A.
 
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mainly because creating type iv multiverse, (which is Downstreamers' 'supposed' feat) is much more impressive than merely above time and space of 'quantum multiverse'.

and quantum multiverse is just one type of multiverse. Downstreamers has all types of multiverses. including outerverses iirc. which is why someone said that creating type iv multiverse is very high in the 1-A.

"

What are you getting at

A quantum wave function multiverse is infinite dimensional, and being beyond that is 1-A

i don't know what you are trying to deny
 
"quantum multiverse is just one type of multiverse. Downstreamers has all types of multiverses. including outerverses iirc. which is why someone said that creating type iv multiverse is very high in the 1-A."


"mainly because creating type iv multiverse, (which is Downstreamers' 'supposed' feat) is much more impressive than merely above time and space of 'quantum multiverse'."


Even if it is a <technobabble> chain reaction instead of dakka it should be impressive anyway. They survived in this 1-A hell.
 
Mainly Azathoth and DarkLK. Sera Loveheart might also be able to help, but the former two are a safer bet.
 
Downstreamers are only high 1-B. It's the monads that are 1-A.

eh, if you looked over Aeyu's thread, DS upgrade to 1-A almost passed. its just Aeyu need to make blog of DS first so the upgrade got stalled.

while Monads 1-A proposition got denied iirc. something about 'if this is enough to be 1-A then we'd get tons of new 1-As' or something..
 
it should not matter wether your 1-A transcendence transcends 1 dimensional universe or infinite dimensional universe. as long as it has conceptual superiority over dimension/spacetime, number of dimensions shouldn't matter.

... if I remember correctly anyway.
 
Seekers into the mystery god, the star maker, and the chousin are all 1-A but don't transcend infinite dimensions its just the cocnept means nothing to them
 
Antvasima said:
Mainly Azathoth and DarkLK. Sera Loveheart might also be able to help, but the former two are a safer bet.
Has anybody asked them to comment here?
 
Alright. DarkLK is the most knowledgeable about our system though.
 
Well, basically there are wave functions and transcendence to space and time. I'm sure that me and Azzy have already spoken about such things.
 
Please elaborate a bit if you have the time.
 
Okay. Thank you for the help.
 
Perhaps we should close this thread then? Both DarkLK and Azathoth seem opposed to this suggestion.
 
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