Why isn't Bleach considered Universal?

[TrollRedThe1st]

I don't get this, being the fact in Can't Fear Your Own World, it was stated that the soul king is "the linchpin of the world, the cornerstone that controls the universal flow of konpaku."
So wouldn't every candidate to be the soul king be able to at least have this ability to?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Having the ability to become The Soul King doesn't mean you are Universal. Yhwach would be considered a candidate, but that doesn't mean he was Universal he only became such after he turned into The Soul King.

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

but candidates are equally as capable of being and having the power of the soul king

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

Having the ability to become The Soul King doesn't mean you are Universal. Yhwach would be considered a candidate, but that doesn't mean he was Universal he only became such after he turned into The Soul King.

which still confuses me because wouldn't that mean yhwach is universa?
and also, the whole purpose of being a soul king candidate is for the fact you can always replace the soul king when needed, which allows you to be the linchpin of the world, so hikone being a soul king candidate shows that they have the power to be the new linchpin of the universal flow of konpaku.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

which still confuses me because wouldn't that mean yhwach is universa?
and also, the whole purpose of being a soul king candidate is for the fact you can always replace the soul king when needed, which allows you to be the linchpin of the world, so hikone being a soul king candidate shows that they have the power to be the new linchpin of the universal flow of konpaku.

Strength does not relate to being a Soul King candidate, it just so happens everyone who is a candidate is rather strong. For example, Ginjo was a candidate for becoming Soul King, does that mean Ginjo is Universal? Most likely not. At the moment the only solid requirement of becoming a Soul King Candidate is being a Hybrid.

The power to be Universal just comes with the position.

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

Strength does not relate to being a Soul King candidate, it just so happens everyone who is a candidate is rather strong. For example, Ginjo was a candidate for becoming Soul King, does that mean Ginjo is Universal? Most likely not. At the moment the only solid requirement of becoming a Soul King Candidate is being a Hybrid.

The power to be Universal just comes with the position.

but then we're saying hikone here, if hikone has the power to be a soul king candidate and have free will if he's the soul king, wouldn't that mean he has the power to be universal, like how yhwach fused with the soul king and was going to combine all three worlds, so if hikone replaces the soul king and is said to be able to have free will, wouldn't that make him universal?

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

and even then, I only asked question because why isn't yhwach considered universal on the vs battles wiki, if he was about to do a universal feat.
and if the only requirement was that, wouldn't all the visored be a candidate?
and if being the soul king means you're a linchpin for the universal flow of konpaku, that would mean the candidates have the innate ability to control such a thing

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

and even then, I only asked question because why isn't yhwach considered universal on the vs battles wiki, if he was about to do a universal feat.
and if the only requirement was that, wouldn't all the visored be a candidate?
and if being the soul king means you're a linchpin for the universal flow of konpaku, that would mean the candidates have the innate ability to control such a thing

No, it means you have the ability to become the Soul King and obtain the ability to become the linchpin. Yhwach is Universal because he actually became the Soul King. You don't get a Tier on what-if situations that never occur on in the cannon. A person can be a candidate to become Soul King but the Title and becoming the linchpin is what raises their power up to the Level necessary to carry out their duty.

The Soul King isn't just some kind of position you can swap in and out because you already have the ability to do something. It's the position that gives you the ability to do sed something while the candidate thing just means you have the potential to fill sed position. It has nothing to do with how strong you are or if you're already Universal.

 

[Urshani]

please stop asking this question all it does is result in more suffering

 

[AKUTO123]

I feel like I will get banned if I say my thoughts on this topic or why they are not universal so there is no answer.

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

Okay minus the candidate part, i was more confused about why isn't yhwach considered universal, even though it's clearly said

I feel like I will get banned if I say my thoughts on this topic or why they are not universal so there is no answer.

so why do you think they aren't?

 

[AKUTO123]

Okay minus the candidate part, i was more confused about why isn't yhwach considered universal, even though it's clearly said

so why do you think they aren't?

The problem is that I don't think it's universal. low Multiversal bleach characters especially aizen yhwach Ichigo but discussing this on this wiki is a complete headache. Members opinion is not important.

 

[AKUTO123]

Okay minus the candidate part, i was more confused about why isn't yhwach considered universal, even though it's clearly said

so why do you think they aren't?

The rulers say that no one other than reio will make such a feat, and no one but reio does not scale with the creation and destruction of universes.

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

The problem is that I don't think it's universal. low Multiversal bleach characters especially aizen yhwach Ichigo but discussing this on this wiki is a complete headache. Members opinion is not important.

fair enough, i like what you're going with

 

[PrinceofPein]

Because they are not?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Because they are not?

opinion

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

also they do have universal stuff here

and there are other places that put them at universal

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Tl;Dr Like @TOAAPRESENCE1 mentioned above, Bleach is technically considered universal here but no-one except possibly the prime Soul King physically scales to the cosmology.

 

[Reio35]

I don't get this, being the fact in Can't Fear Your Own World, it was stated that the soul king is "the linchpin of the world, the cornerstone that controls the universal flow of konpaku."
So wouldn't every candidate to be the soul king be able to at least have this ability to?

Short story is a few members here made head cannon theories on the cosmology. Despite these theories being contradicted by the narrative. Many arguments on this wiki boil down to the personal opinion of the mods not who had better arguments unfortunately

 

[Reio35]

No, it means you have the ability to become the Soul King and obtain the ability to become the linchpin. Yhwach is Universal because he actually became the Soul King. You don't get a Tier on what-if situations that never occur on in the cannon. A person can be a candidate to become Soul King but the Title and becoming the linchpin is what raises their power up to the Level necessary to carry out their duty.

The Soul King isn't just some kind of position you can swap in and out because you already have the ability to do something. It's the position that gives you the ability to do sed something while the candidate thing just means you have the potential to fill sed position. It has nothing to do with how strong you are or if you're already Universal.

It does actually the novels imply many times it's based on power level. When ginjo fired a getsuga at tokinada he clearly says you have enough power to be soul king

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

To classify as Soul king you need:

1. Be of the races
2. Have a great amount of power

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

It does actually the novels imply many times it's based on power level. When ginjo fired a getsuga at tokinada he clearly says you have enough power to be soul king

Oh my bad then I stand corrected.

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

It does actually the novels imply many times it's based on power level. When ginjo fired a getsuga at tokinada he clearly says you have enough power to be soul king

thanks for that

 

[TrollRedThe1st]

Short story is a few members here made head cannon theories on the cosmology. Despite these theories being contradicted by the narrative. Many arguments on this wiki boil down to the personal opinion of the mods not who had better arguments unfortunately

I see, I see
good to understand I'm not the only one who believes they're stronger than the way people imply them to be