Why does Blazblue have Conceptual manipulation type 1

[Livinmeme]

• (Type 1 and 2): With self-observation, user can separate parts of themselves as seen with Noel observing herself to separate Mu from her body. This is seen when Amaterasu manipulated the concept of "world" coming from an already erased universe.

This doesn't say anthing about trascendent concepts, or concepts not bound by reality, as much as it is says about interacting with erased concepts (if that).

 

[Berga14]

Idk about that verse but a concept that is still intact and unfazed by the destruction of the reality it governs is type 1

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

The concept still exists even after the destruction of it's object, thus it's independent.

It's pretty common for concepts to get independency that way.

 

[Livinmeme]

Idk about that verse but a concept that is still intact and unfazed by the destruction of the reality it governs is type 1

It just says that the universe was transmuted into data

 

[Theglassman12]

The entire world was erased by Doomsday thanks to the Embryo, but the concept of a world still existed despite the world being gone. That's literally the plot of central fiction that all realities was being erased. It's textbook definition type 1 concept when the concept exists despite reality being nuked from existence.

 

[Megaraptor149]

I think its only Type 1 due to Concept still exists even though object already erased. Then why is it also Type 2?

 

[Theglassman12]

Type 2 (originally type 3) was from the whole Conceptual split from Noel making her two separate individuals. This was also back when Type 1 conceptual manipulation was considered 1-A only before that got nuked and every type got buffed up by one. The type 2 stuff will be changed in the future.

 

[Huesito88]

Type 2 (originally type 3) was from the whole Conceptual split from Noel making her two separate individuals. This was also back when Type 1 conceptual manipulation was considered 1-A only before that got nuked and every type got buffed up by one. The type 2 stuff will be changed in the future.

It's been that long and not even a minor thread was done for it?

 

[Megaraptor149]

Type 2 (originally type 3) was from the whole Conceptual split from Noel making her two separate individuals. This was also back when Type 1 conceptual manipulation was considered 1-A only before that got nuked and every type got buffed up by one. The type 2 stuff will be changed in the future.

Sound like this can be removed even without CRT. Just link revision about Conceptual Manipulation on edit at Phenomena Intervention page.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Huesito88 yeah it's been a long while since I've done any revisions for the verse (currently going through it again for another overhaul). The only other ones that came afterwards was just the stat stuff, nothing about the abilities.

@Megaraptor149 True, but I've also been told the ability can be considered fissionism as opposed to conceptual manipulation, so I'm not sure if it'll qualify as concept hax now. I wouldn't be opposed to just removing the type 2 stuff and just fixing everything else in the future.