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What would Goku and Vegetas Moro arc keys look like if the anime had the moro arc
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At least Low 2-C due being far stronger than their ToP versions
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Perhaps, he would need to be 2x stronger than Beerus to be 2-C
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MUI Goku>=UI Moro>Merus>Moro 7 3>Broly or Jiren>Beerus. The likelihood of him being 2-C becomes pretty high when you consider the fact Seven-Three directly copies someone's level of power too so that's Moro+Merus that Goku fought and was beating, both of whom scale decently above Beerus.
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Dunno about that pal, Granolah cockslapped MUI Goku with a single attack, while vegeta tanked a lot of attacks
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MUI Goku would beat the **** out of Granolah, all Granolah did was hit base Goku with a dura neg attack. We KNOW it's dura neg since SSBE Vegeta was doing better against full power Granolah, even when he got enraged, just by adapting. And he took MANY hits and blasts still without detransforming but Granolah barely touching his stomach makes him vomit blood and go to base. By the way MUI does on steroids even in the Moro arc. Goku simply ran out of energy.
Vegeta probably gets to 2-C if he's at all relevant to Goku.
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MUI goku got one shotted by granolah,lmao.
And I remember him using some kind of pressure point attack and not dura neg,lol.
SSBE vegeta was just better and later keeping his distance also while tanking attacks even granolah thought was impossible and vegeta stated he was getting stronger during his encounter with granolah.
Granolah used an attack that would finish vegeta which he coughed blood and then surpassed his limits .
Goku didn't run out of energy they was an opening in which granolah took even he stated it.
Current manga vegeta>>>>>goku lmao.
And I remember him using some kind of pressure point attack and not dura neg,lol.
SSBE vegeta was just better and later keeping his distance also while tanking attacks even granolah thought was impossible and vegeta stated he was getting stronger during his encounter with granolah.
Granolah used an attack that would finish vegeta which he coughed blood and then surpassed his limits .
Goku didn't run out of energy they was an opening in which granolah took even he stated it.
Current manga vegeta>>>>>goku lmao.
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Pressure Point is not that well dura neg, it cannot cover a big gap, anyways, granolah is far faster and stronger due feats, the problem is because granolah just isnt that skilled while fighting
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Granolah managed to find an opening and catch MUI Goku off-guard and attack him with a pressure point attack.
My scaling chain is like:
Beerus >> Hakaishin Mode Vegeta ~ Current MUI Goku >~ Granolah > UI Moro ~ Merus > Gogeta Blue (Broly Movie) > 7-3 Moro > Broly or Jiren.
My scaling chain is like:
Beerus >> Hakaishin Mode Vegeta ~ Current MUI Goku >~ Granolah > UI Moro ~ Merus > Gogeta Blue (Broly Movie) > 7-3 Moro > Broly or Jiren.
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Isnt Merus UI stated to be even better than MUI Goku?
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When? Better UI =/= Having higher AP.
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Goku was training with Whis iirc
The context is clear, Whis said that Grandpriest has a better UI than himself, and him having a better UI than Merus and Merus having a better UI than Goku, so yeah, it also has AP envolved
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Having better UI means you have greater accuracy and precision. Whis was talking about the accuracy and precision of UI. He mentioned nothing about AP. It is headcanon to say better UI = better AP unless it is confirmed superior UI = superior AP.
Granolah saw that UI's accuracy has dropped and teleported to him instantly, and then hit his heart's area with a pressure point strike. He did all that when Goku was clueless and confused. He completely caught him off-guard.
In Dragon Ball, if you let your guard down, you can be severely injured by an attack from someone who is massively weaker than you - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Sneak_Attack
Granolah was hurt by SSJBE Vegeta, who is a fodder to MUI Goku.
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The fact that the strongest beings theres like Grandpriest having better UI than Whis, Whis having better UI than Merus and Merus being stated to have better UI than Goku can be a proof, because in that order, GP is stronger than Whis, who is stronger than Merus
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I'm not sure what you mean. Whis' dad is stronger than him, and also has better UI than him because he has more experience using it and likely taught UI to Whis and his sibling angels.
Beerus is implied to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but he doesn't have better UI than the former.
Based on showings, Moro Arc MUI Goku is stronger than Merus.
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not sure about this anime wise, but manga perhaps, but even then, its meh
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No doubt
Goku wasn't off guard at all. And he was still in MUI/perfect ultra instinct and still in battle he was only shocked he fought a clone throughout and granolah's body was elsewhere but the real granolah was still too fast for him and one shotted him. The scan shows everything that happened above.
But he mentioned it's cause the accuracy of UI drops overtime so he got that chance.
SSJBE just had enough potency to harm him and yes vegeta was getting stronger during their encounter and stated also.
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The scans you posted clearly showed that he caught Goku off-guard.
Granolah saw the accuracy of UI dropped and teleported to his location and proceeded to strike his heart's area with a pressure point attack. He did all that while Goku was looking at Vegeta and said ''what do you mean?''
You can see that Goku is looking at the sky, aka looking at Vegeta while Granolah attacks him. He only looks at Granolah after being attacked. He has no clue what is happening. How was he not caught off guard?
Base Goku is more or less equal to base Vegeta. The gap between MUI and SSJBE is massive. The fact that SSJBE Vegeta could hurt and somewhat hold his own against Granolah (even if he adapted and became stronger during the fight) makes Granolah's feat of beating MUI Goku questionable. Unless you think SSJBE Vegeta can be compared to MUI Goku in any way, shape or form?
Granolah saw the accuracy of UI dropped and teleported to his location and proceeded to strike his heart's area with a pressure point attack. He did all that while Goku was looking at Vegeta and said ''what do you mean?''
You can see that Goku is looking at the sky, aka looking at Vegeta while Granolah attacks him. He only looks at Granolah after being attacked. He has no clue what is happening. How was he not caught off guard?
Base Goku is more or less equal to base Vegeta. The gap between MUI and SSJBE is massive. The fact that SSJBE Vegeta could hurt and somewhat hold his own against Granolah (even if he adapted and became stronger during the fight) makes Granolah's feat of beating MUI Goku questionable. Unless you think SSJBE Vegeta can be compared to MUI Goku in any way, shape or form?
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if he shows feats that he can, then yes
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Goku was in perfect UI and we don't know whether he teleported or used speed to reach goku but either way it's a blitze.
Even if goku looks away he was still in UI lmao but UI accuracy drops overtime according to granolah statement so he took that chance to attack him and succeeded he didn't say because goku was off guard he only said UI accuracy drops overtime.
All this is bullshit in the latest chapter it's now been shown vegeta got stronger lmao. And that's that.
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The accuracy of UI was dropped and Goku was looking at Vegeta and said ''what do you mean''? while Granolah stroke his heart =/= He was off-guard. Makes sense.
MUI Goku was blitzed and one-shot (Unless he wasn't blitzed at all and was caught off-guard) and SSJBE Vegeta could keep up with Granolah. SSJBE Vegeta >> MUI Goku then, makes sense then.
MUI Goku was blitzed and one-shot (Unless he wasn't blitzed at all and was caught off-guard) and SSJBE Vegeta could keep up with Granolah. SSJBE Vegeta >> MUI Goku then, makes sense then.
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Goku saying I don't get it doesn't mean he was off guard as his still in UI also. Plus his accuracy drops overtime and granolah blitzed him.
Yep. Current SSJBE tho but you can also say maybe he got blitzed and one shotted cause of he had already used alot of energy on that clone.
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I think they just nerfed MUI...
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Vegeta and Goku were taking his physical and ki attacks really well, they only get knocked into base by the pressure point attack so it functions as dura neg. Also Goku was running out of power by that point as Granolah himself stated.
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Goku literally stomps Vegeta in Blue Evolution. He did last arc and does now.
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Ultra Instinct does that on literal steroids as we saw in the Moro arc and Goku should be capable of the same thing. Vegeta's mid battle growth also wasn't noted as something unique to him so that kinda makes sense.
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They'd be 2-C straight up, youth restored moro would be stronger than full power Jiren, since he was able to beat a much stronger UI sign Goku, 73 moro easily stomped SSBE Vegeta and UI sign Goku who are somewhat comparable to each other, and 73 moro got slapped by merus and UI Goku, the scaling chain is massive, IDK how TOP UI Goku and Jiren would scale here but 73 moro is likely stronger than them because he was stated the strongest Goku fought, so probably it'll look like this, half 2-C = GoDs < Belmod < full power Jiren = UI sign 3 Goku < SSBE Vegeta < UI sign Goku < Youth moro <<< hidden power Jiren < 73 moro < Merus <<< UI Goku <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Wanked retconned Beerus.
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wdym with ''Wanked retconned Beerus?''
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They keep retconning beerus' strength. Even though he's supposed to be weaker than Jiren but he ends up being stronger than granolah.
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Oh, yeh lol, Beerus was like, weaker than Jiren, however, he was going to destroy Moro if Grand Priest didnt called him (iirc?)
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yeah that, and toronbo told granolah that he'll make him the strongest mortal but not stronger than the gods, which implies that beerus is > UI goku who slapped moro.
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