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What kind of upgrade Arceus must gain to have fair match with God tier 2-A Digimons?

The highest I ever see Arceus going is 2-A maybe High 2-A at most, I don't see him ever getting anything akin to The Covenant though, maybe something like the Four Prime Factors might be a possibility for Arceus. The whole "I am everything and therefore my attacks are everything" thing seems feasible.
 
Andytrenom said:
@Prof Are you two working together?
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Me and Xerk? Nah, he just messaged me about what he wanted to show Dragon a day or 2 ago. I know what he's talking about nd its....pretty interesting to say the least.

Thats why I asked if he wants me to talk to Dragon about it for him since I think i'll be able to give more clear insight on it. Thats if he doesnt mind obv.
 
This would honestly make me happy. Although, I dount Bandai would just give Digimon up lol. And I also still really like Bandai...

Just buy Bandai then ovo

Or most likely both of them are going to be bought by Disney.

The fate of Arceus is in Mickey's hands
 
Probably could reach 1-A if they mentioned higher dimensions with Palkia, and having Arceus/Original Spirit exist beyond them by predating Palkia and the Dimensions its embodies. Of course it would probably be only Baseline 1-A and then theirs the fact that this site is strict with 1-A stuff so a off handed mention in the Pokedex to existing beyond dimensions they would likely give probably wouldn't be enough evidence for Arceus to reach 1-A.
 
Also, Dragon, while Pokémon may not seem very "philosophical", the amount of stuff from religions all over the world is impressive. Even ignoring Gen 4's lore being related to Christianity, Gen 5 has Chinese philosophy, Gen 6 is based on Norse mythology etc. and that's only the legendaries. Gen 4 remakes could easily put some christian philosophical concept (like empyrean) and BAM! Arceus is High 2-A.
 
Gen 4 is related to Christianity and Japanese Mythology.

Gen 5 is in fact Taoism which I forgot.

Gen 6 is Norse Mythology.

Gen 7 is Alchemy.

So yeah, Higher dimensions are possible. I could see High 2-A. However, assuming that Arceus is going to instantly get these overpowered higher dimensional abilities without expanding on these concepts is more than likely not to happen. It has a lot of things related to multiple mythologies, however that is mostly for Pokemon design basis. Only Gen V and parts of Gen lV focused heavily on their basis.
 
I mean Pokemon lore isn't as simple as it was in Gen I anymore, I'm still slighty confused about Ultra Space and its place in the Pokemon Multiverse
 
I do see where Dragon's coming from. Unlike Digimon, Pokemon cares more about the fun value and entertainment than convoluting its plot and lore.

Yes, I said that to be as passive aggressive as humanly possible
 
The real cal howard said:
I do see where Dragon's coming from. Unlike Digimon, Pokemon cares more about the fun value and entertainment than convoluting its plot and lore.
Yes, I said that to be as passive aggressive as humanly possible
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Your Tears
 
>Pokémon not expanding on introduced concepts is unlikely to happen

(*Gen VII dies in Ultraspace*)

Not saying it will happen, but Pokémon introducing new concepts and then just abandoning them is, unfortunately, something that's happening within the series.
 
I think its more that Pokemon likes to focus less on lore and shovel it anyway in places like Canalave Libary and the Pokedex where kids won't give it a second glance, like those Mega Evolution or Parasect Pokedex entires, or that story about the Swordsman killing Pokemon are definitly not something that Pokemon would actually show in game. After all the lore we have about the Original Spirit isn't something that most Pokemon player would find.
 
Everything12 said:
I think its more that Pokemon likes to focus less on lore and shovel it anyway in places like Canalave Libary and the Pokedex where kids won't give it a second glance, like those Mega Evolution or Parasect Pokedex entires, or that story about the Swordsman killing Pokemon are definitly not something that Pokemon would actually show in game. After all the lore we have about the Original Spirit isn't something that most Pokemon player would find.
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Like,

For kids: Pokemon is a series of cute mutant pets with awesome powers.

For adults: Pokemon is an e-sport of picking different sets of monsters with different movements with different abilities against each other.

For comic book and TV audience: it is about the silly yet fun and sarcastic jokes with references and tributes.

Seldom is Pokemon about speaking a deep lore. Look at the Aether Foundatio (which is supposed to mimic the SCP Foundatio).
 
They will probably have to deal with Arceus in the main story once the Gen 4 remakes happen though, instead of just leaving it aside as lore, I feel that will be the best chance of upgrades for Arceus and the Creation Trio.
 
The Divine Phoenix said:
They will probably have to deal with Arceus in the main story once the Gen 4 remakes happen though, instead of just leaving it aside as lore, I feel that will be the best chance of upgrades for Arceus and the Creation Trio.
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Inb4 they realize they made Arceus too strong already so they retcon him to meteor level ovo
 
Inb4 they realize they made Arceus too strong already so they retcon him to meteor level ovo

They already did that though
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Also, people are kinda expecting a lot from the Pokemon Company. Be realistic, do you really think they care enough to give Arceus all these extra strong abilities and add all this philosophical dimension stuff? I don't see anything higher than 2-A happening for Arceus to be quite honest. This isn't like Digimon whose entire series is formed around different philsophies and the nature of ideas.
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This is funny, because the same things happened with Digimon and Pokémon in the same period of their lives.

Digimon began as a simple V-pet franchise with the characters-based characters of our world, but adapted with a more digital yet realistic look.

What introduced Digimon to all this philosophy was the anime, because the producer wanted to write something that would be revolutionary for the subject in question. Then it was forgotten for a while until it was used again because the contents of the first anime were rescued for a birthday celebration and since then we have again the franchise having these aspects.

With Pokémon it was the same thing, the game had an initial idea and the producer decided to expand this idea to something beyond what was expected of the franchise. The difference is that the product that would be used to demonstrate this (Pokémon Movie 3) had to be rewritten because the Pokemon Company thought that the ancestral theme that was being used in the movie would not be fun for the kids, and then all this lore had than being abandoned. And as the producer died I find it hard to do something like that one day.

But if this is to occur, I believe that currently is the most likely time for this to occur because we are experiencing in Pokémon the same thing that occurred in Digimon when the abandoned lore was reused, now we only need to wait the Pokémon version of Tri. :v
 
You could have probably done something real philosophical with Mewtwo, just going off the movie and knowing nothing of how the games portrayed him.
 
I think Pokémon lore can be best described as similar to Kirby lore, skin deep theirs not much lore, so not many players will notice it, but if you look deeper you find quite alot of lore such as the boss descriptions for Kirby and the Pokédex entries for Pokémon.
 
The Smashor said:
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Alright not the best example but you get it.
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It's not possible for Arceus to have a fair match with a 2-A. The fight will always end after the first move, and therefore, Arceus either wins or loses every time.

In fact, right now, it's not possible for Arceus to have a fair match, period.
 
Something that makes Digimon and Pokémon very difficult to fight is the difference in their basic nature.

I mean, something that Kazumaza Habu said is that the difference in them is that Pokémon usually appear as native animals from the same world as the humans (with a few exceptions) while the Digimon are always beings that have emerged from a different world from humans, and this difference spreads in the hierarchy of both franchises.

Because while the Pokémon are natives of the same human realm, the Digimon reside in a transcendental realm beyond the physical world in a conceptual world ruled by the power of thought. Comparatively, Digimon usually already resides as "gods" compared to human plans and this is one of the reasons that Hax in Digimon is very complex even for the simplest things (Things like walking on water in Digimon is a result of a concentrated modification in the laws of the world to allow unreal events to become real).

So if the Digimon by nature are already "gods" (I say in relation to beings from a higher world, I know that in Pokémon there are many deities) the most powerful beings that are "gods" in relation to the Digimon are at an even higher level higher than those who reside in the physical world.

Therefore I believe that the greatest difficulty in comparing Digimon with Pokémon is precisely this hierarchical difference, which will become even greater when the next revisions occur.
 
The real cal howard said:
Unlike Digimon, Pokemon cares more about the fun value and entertainment than convoluting its plot and lore.

Yes, I said that to be as passive aggressive as humanly possible
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Friendly reminder that it has been officially confirmed that SMT is one of the inspirations to how Digimon is currently.
 
The real cal howard said:
Something about 24D fruits iirc.
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Actually I'm not thinking about this, I think the delay of the translation of Decode (which is occurring for good reasons) will cause the release of this game to be after even that Digimon Surive (Which in turn we have no idea of what is happening besides that the game underwent a total restructuring this year).

Now I'm thinking more about improving the condition of all Digimon and after that do something about AP.
 
Im confused about digimon. The digital world apparently makes up all of reality. But where does it say that it makes up reality on a multiversal scale as opposed to a universal scale? On one of the scans i clicked, it said a character is a multiversal constant, yet all i can find is them saying things involving the universe (with the multiverse only existing).
 
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