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I mean this discussion as you call it looks pretty important. And I really don't have any problem with you discussing things here. Heck, I am actually pretty happy to learn new things about Mythos but I just think more people should be brought attention to the things here unless you consider it unimportant/not needed.It isn't a CRT, it's a discussion. If your original question was answered then there shouldn't be a problem just talking about something else. Of course, if it's a problem then you can request the thread be closed.
Nice. Can't wait to see the new profiles soon. Just hoping it won't turn into an Umineko situation.It's fine. The CRT will do that job when it comes and it's in pretty good hands. This is just a discussion about stuff that might happen.
Assuming the Archetype thing is valid, that sounds doable.What about doing for Yog-Sothoth what we'll probably do for the rest of the OGs? Like fractional key and Supreme Archetype key?
I would say so, yeah. To reiterate, I see Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth as a monad- the point and the circle, the microcosm and the macrocosm, the Atman and the Brahman, etc., united as one in the Supreme Archetype. Although, going by my previous two posts, there is reason to doubt that the Archetypes are anything distinguished from the Other Gods, as well as that Azathoth is not above Yog-Sothoth.Actually, that family tree could give credence to Azathoth being the highest in some way. At the very least, the idea of him being part of a dual existence with Yog-Sothoth has more weight to it.
YeahThe Archetype/Outer God stuff?
That's one of the major pieces of evidence in favor of the Archetypes interpretation, yeah. The "entities outside the Gates" can view reality as either a fractional, changing thing or as the static totality it truly is, but either way, they're above the rest of the verse to an immeasurable degree. As Alex also pointed out, the Archetypes being unchanging and eternal contrasts with the Other Gods being implied to be able to reproduce and stated to have been born alongside space, as well as... pretty much every description we get about them with how they play and dance to vile instruments while circling Azathoth's throne at the center of infinity.Personally I see the Other Gods as the representations of the Archetypes viewing existence in a fragmentary sense from the perspective of those still bound by change and such, like what this passage implies;
"After an impressive pause the waves continued, saying that what the denizens of few-dimensioned zones call change is merely a function of their consciousness, which views the external world from various cosmic angles. As the shapes produced by the cutting of a cone seem to vary with the angles of cutting—being circle, ellipse, parabola, or hyperbola according to that angle, yet without any change in the cone itself—so do the local aspects of an unchanged and endless reality seem to change with the cosmic angle of regarding. To this variety of angles of consciousness the feeble beings of the inner worlds are slaves, since with rare exceptions they cannot learn to control them. Only a few students of forbidden things have gained inklings of this control, and have thereby conquered time and change. But the entities outside the Gates command all angles, and view the myriad parts of the cosmos in terms of fragmentary, change-involving perspective, or of the changeless totality beyond perspective, in accordance with their will."
In my books, they're definitely distinct.
Nah.Wouldn't it be a king and his kingdom?