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since mid-game Ren is a serious 1-A smurf from what i've seen in the last thread, how would he do here? wanting to see how big of a low 1-C smurf he is considered to be here. if it's too much for him maybe we can use one of his earlier 1-A keys? for now though i'm starting this with his low 1-C key just to see if he can smurf his way to victory.

this is NOT an intended stomp. again, i can make it his 1-A key if he fails to smurf his way to victory. i just want to see how far he can get on smurfing alone for now. tagging smart MT guy @Milly_Rocking_Bandit and the best Billy and Mandy character @DaReaperMan

both are in character but willing to kill.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ren_Amamiya#Mid_to_Late-Game

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryougi_Shiki#Void_Shiki
 
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damn, I somehow ended up on the wrong thread. can someone move this to the proper VS place? i never even go on joke battles, so I have no idea why it was placed here.
 
is RE joker able to adapt to all the abilities that exist in nasuverse?
considering void shiki is omniscient, so she will use all means to defeat joker.
 
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is RE joker able to adapt to all the abilities that exist in nasuverse?
considering void shiki is omniscient, so she will use all means to defeat joker.
not the MT expert here, but i think it's a bit much to assume Void can use all of these powers at the exact same time.
 
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jonker re + invuls gg
His profil doesn't mention that RE give him new resistance + getting if thing that not exist in his verse would be nlf. And what invul you talk?

And technically can't even affect her because NEP2 above NEP2sheningan
 
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His profil doesn't mention that RE give him new resistance + getting if thing that not exist in his verse would be nlf. And what invul you talk?
every single null/reflect/absorb is apparently 1-A in scale, i think

The real answer is that Jonker wins because Persona is better written than all of Nasuverse
 
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every single null/reflect/absorb is apparently 1-A in scale, i think

The real answer is that Jonker wins because Persona is better written than all of Nasuverse
Not for this key i think, milly don't had talked about it.

Knk>the entirely of megami tensei verse in writings bruh
 
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Void Shiki also has 1-A mindhax in the form of Unified Language, BFR, sealing, subjective reality, should have Meltrylis's ability to alter laws to where she cannot be targeted by anything, etc just to start off.
 
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she have like 1-A everything in the nasuverse.... it's not about this
never said it was. my main point was it should ignore attack reflection since all she has to do is "speak" to him. but maybe he has something that resist even this.
 
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since mid-game Ren is a serious 1-A smurf from what i've seen in the last thread, how would he do here?
Not sure why I wasn’t alerted of my tag.

So, uhm, I don’t know why this keeps getting perpetuated. If he fights someone who’s not 1-A, he won’t suddenly become 1-A. It only works if the opponent is.


Btw how did ren manage to fight the transduality of type 3 void shiki? I'm sorry, just wanted to ask
Simple. He simply cannot. The only Type 3 in Megami Tensei is The Great Reason. The only people who could possibly affect Type 3 are Stephen, Maruki, and The Great Reason itself.


And technically can't even affect her because NEP2 above NEP2sheningan
Will have to burst the bubble on Nasuverse reigning NEP 2, so:

The Great Reason > Adam Kadmon > Monado Mondala > The Great Will/YHVH’s Universe > The Tree of Life = Canopus > Keter = Brahman (Manifestation) = Yog-Sothoth > Brahman (Spaceship) = Polaris/Akashic Records > Atziluth Residents > Velvet Room = NEP Type 2 > The White > Kamiotoko = NEP Type 1


Void Shiki also has 1-A mindhax in the form of Unified Language
Persona-users reside in the Collective Unconscious, so 1-A mindhax gets shrugged off in their sleep.


BFR, sealing, subjective reality, should have Meltrylis's ability to alter laws to where she cannot be targeted by anything, etc just to start off.
Resists both of those, and Almighty, almost if specifically written to counter her ability, can negate people who use law manipulation to defend themselves.
 
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Not sure why I wasn’t alerted of my tag.

So, uhm, I don’t know why this keeps getting perpetuated. If he fights someone who’s not 1-A, he won’t suddenly become 1-A. It only works if the opponent is.
ah right. i was more so of thinking that automatically since who he is facing is 1-A here. but yeah, i know what you mean.

can negate people who use law manipulation to defend themselves.
so this wiki treats dealing with a certain type of law manipulation as dealing with any form of it? pretty odd but alright.

as for what she can do, basically she should have every known power in the Nasuverse (going by wiki standards). so anything from concept destruction with multiple forms of regeneration and immortality negation. absorption. transmutation. information manipulation with BB's shapeshifters that meld with its target and overwrites the targets mind, body and soul. can rewrite events that take place with causality manipulation. this will go on for a while, but there are some of the more important ones to my knowledge. she would also have all the resistances in the verse going off this wiki I believe.

also I am not sure how this wiki treats Unified Language outside of it automatically being 1-A, but in-lore it's a very weird type of mind hax where it actually hypnotizes the person by targeting their soul instead of their mind. just something i thought was worth mentioning.
 
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Void shiki have all the ability of nasuverse in 1-a potency.

And nasuverse have pretty much all different ability like plot manip etc
And that is…?



That’s fine, Ren beats people up who are superior to regular NEP Type 2.
Being superrior in which sense, as being stronger or being a more fundamental void?
 
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I don't recall most of the guy you mentioned being even one time mentionned to be a fundamental type void or NEP2 type existance but hey
 
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Void shiki have all the ability of nasuverse in 1-a potency.

And nasuverse have pretty much all different ability like plot manip etc

Being superrior in which sense, as being stronger or being a more fundamental void?
to be fair, the "plot manipulation" in the Nasuverse is the most vague stuff ever shown in the series and I highly doubt it is combat applicable.
 
Void Shiki basically has everything in the Nasuverse on a 1-A scale does joker have the Hax resist??Also can he bypass Shiki's Transiduality??? Not too knowledgeable on Persona/Shin Megami Tensei
 
Anyways, what exactly does Shiki do?
Btw, late reply, but since this is Void Shiki, I do believe we never actually see what kind of hax she actually uses in character aside from I think the ones in the animated movies and there is the novels too. I do wish we actually have a expert on what exactly Void Shiki can do here since we don’t know much.
 
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Btw, late reply, but since this is Void Shiki, I do believe we never actually see what kind of hax she actually uses in character aside from I think the ones in the animated movies and there is the novels too. I do wish we actually have a expert on what exactly Void Shiki can do here since we don’t know much.
Void has never directly fought on-screen outside of gameplay. it's best to just assume she'll use what she believes is most effective. though I should add to the rules that everyone is in character but willing to kill, since Void likely wouldn't even fight him normally.
 
Void has never directly fought on-screen outside of gameplay. it's best to just assume she'll use what she believes is most effective. though I should add to the rules that everyone is in character but willing to kill, since Void likely wouldn't even fight him normally.
Yeah, btw, I am rather curious on what the stance of Nasuverse’s continuity and canonicity to a extent on this wiki as it had never been addressed directly anyway.

Anyway, I not voting. Just clarifying anyway
 
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Yeah, btw, I am rather curious on what the stance of Nasuverse’s continuity and canonicity to a extent on this wiki as it had never been addressed directly anyway.

Anyway, I not voting. Just clarifying anyway
no idea about here. FYI, I don't agree with 90% of the stuff on this wiki and am just here to have fun seeing how debates work within these profiles, realistic or not. but when discussing with lore people a lot of us consider the canons split now due to the Tsukihime remake. what is considered new and old canon or both has been up for discussion, but most of the people from what I have seen personally share some general ideas. for instance, Extella is a massive rewrite of the Extra series and due to this quite a few of us consider the original Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC to be apart of the older Nasuverse. but this is kinda lowkey derailing. if you want to get more into that, we could go to DMs or something. actually I don't even know if DMs are on this website lol.

though the Void Shiki profile i am using here is from the 1998 Kara no Kyoukai novel, so any Fate/Grand Order stuff should be irrelevant here to my knowledge, as Void seems quite different in that, to most people's irritation for being out of character.

All of that is negated.
what about all of the stuff I mentioned?
 
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there is nothing listed there, such as possession and madness manipulation type 3. can you show me where it is
Cognitive Physiology’s first resistance is quite literally mind manipulation, and especially because those with a Persona can look at The Great Old Ones, which induce insanity by sight.

Possession simply doesn’t happen because having a Persona means taking yourself & your ego.
 
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I will write some hax that void shiki sould be able to use that joker maybe doesn't resist later, i'm in unni now
 
Cognitive Physiology’s first resistance is quite literally mind manipulation
Actually it's Superhuman Physical Characteristics if you wanna get technical about whats on the page heheheheh

That aside I didn't happen to see resistances to resistance negation and power null on his profile, or under the resistances listed in the Cognitive phisyology page. May have missed it so apologies if I did but if he doesn't what's to stop him getting yeeted after his resistances are negated??? And in the case that I'm blind and he does have those resistances how many layers of resistance are there? cause Shiki being Shiki can bypass 20+ layers of resistances to Resistance negation if I'm not mistaken
 
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Alright that's fine so this is all to a 1-A level yes?? And how many layers of Resistance are there on these by the way??
If it's against a 1-A opponent, in-which his life is in-danger, yeah. I dunno, 3-6 layers, I'm currently busy with profiles so I'm not thinking hard. Another layer since, if he is to die, he will likely awaken to Satanael, who negs Yaldabaoth's RN.
 
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Ren isn't in his 1-A key. This is 1-C vs 1-A but Ren is able to beat her up so far because of his hax and resistances.
So far he can't beat her because he can't affect her transduality with his 1-C key. Will se with the new crt
 
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