Varies from 4B to Low 1A for Thor

[LordWhis]

I made an earlier version of this thread varying from 9B to low 1a but that was too extreme. And then another version that had no scans.

It is a well known fact that Thor has incredible latent potential due to his asgardian-elder god hybrid nature. Odin himself says Thor has a potential greater than Asgard. There are several points in comics in which Thor has done well against Tier 2 and Tier 1 beings. He has also performed galaxy and universe level feats. He also demonstrated higher dimensionality on several occasions like when he broke out of the teaser act and when Mjolnir transcended space and time to break Doctor Doom out of his extradimensional prison.

It seems pretty apparent to me that Thor has the ability to tap into his latent elder god potential in desperate situations which allows him to perform these feats. They are too frequent to be outliers. In the Thor vs Glory fight this was even explained in canon with the narrator describing this as 'a spark' that comes to Thor in desperate situations.

Therefore I propose that Thor's tier should be Varies from 4B to Low 1A.

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[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

That's alot of scenes to take in...

 

[LordWhis]

A lot of evidence...

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I think Low 1-A is too much, I think Varies from 4-B (or lower) to 2-A or 2-C would make more sense

 

[LordWhis]

What about Low 1C ?

Also what do you think about maybe a possibly higher/low 1a, basically something that references the Chaos king feat. Since it's too glaring a feat to ignore completely

 

[InfiniteSped]

Would probably help your point more to explain what's happening in each scan, why that gives him a certain tier, and give sources.

 

[Ionliosite]

Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics comes to mind when I read the title of the thread.

 

[LordWhis]

He demonstrates higher dimensionality in the 5th to third last scans-

In the fifth last scan he is noted to enter the 4th dimension.

In the 4th last scan, he breaks out of the teaser act simply by being a higher dimensional being.

In the 3rd last scan Doom talks about how he was freed from his extradimendimensional prison. He was freed by Mjolnir transcending space and time though I can't find all the scans. Mjolnir has previously transcended space and time in (I can't remember the name of the comic).

In the first scan Thor mortally wounds a low 1a.

In scans 2-4 and the last 2 Thor fights and damages low 1c beings

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Isn't the last 2 against a Thanos that isn't using the Full Gauntlet and only using the Power Stone?

 

[LordWhis]

btw here's another scan in which Thor turns back time and clearly affects an abstract entity who is 2c if not 2a in his own right . This causes the 2a abstract to forget the entire encounter since from his perspective it never happened.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I think the Chaos King one and the Phoenix one are outliers, he should really just get "Possibly 2-C" for keeping up with Surtur for multiple occasions, he stalemated Zeus for 30 days (If I remember it well) and I Guess he also beat Odin once? I don't know about this one, Could you give the context?

But it would be consistent with Thanos keeping up with Odin, and Thor always suppressing himself.

 

[LordWhis]

In scan 18 he performs a galaxy level feat and a universe level one in scan 19.

In scans 21-24 he oneshots and kills a 2a character

In 78-88 he tanks attacks from and damages 2a characters

in 98 to 115 as well, one of whom dodges his attacks rather than take them head on, indicating they would cause damage, the others tanking his attacks and getting damaged and/or stunned.

In all other scans he tanks attacks from, injures, defeats or stomps 2c characters, some of whom have a 2a statement, and the rest of whom scale to or above them..

 

[LordWhis]

Isn't the last 2 against a Thanos that isn't using the Full Gauntlet and only using the Power Stone?

He still had the rest of the gems empowering him, there's no reason he wasn't still 1c, just without the hax. And in the end he is forced to use the time gem. (or was it the reality gem ?)

 

[LordWhis]

I Guess he also beat Odin once? I don't know about this one, Could you give the context?

In a recent comic. Lots of people are under the assumption that Odin didn't have the odinforce or that Jason Aaron doesn't consider Odin to be universal or higher.

I included a scan in which Odin clearly says he has the odinforce.

And the latter is false as Jason Aaron created the old king thor and gorr arcs in which skyfathers perform universal or higher level feats regularly.

 

[LordWhis]

The Gorr fight scans also explain the concept of the spark and how Thor can go beyond his limits in dire situations.

 

[LordWhis]

Thor stomping a 2A-

 

[Newendigo]

You could have at least post the full pages instead of separating nearly each individual panel throughout the OP...

 

[Qawsedf234]

Honestly a big issue with DC/Marvel profiles has already been addressed with the previously linked scaling page. The franchises have been running for 60-80 years by this point and has had dozens of different authors take their own spin on stuff.

While we do rate certain characters like the Celestials at 2-A or Odin at 2-C, that isn't their consistent or even correct tier. Just the tier the site has chosen to be the most reliable for whatever reason. Thor, like Superman or Wonder Woman, has Tier 2 or Tier 1 scaling. It's bound to happen considering how long the character has existed and his typical cosmic interactions. But that doesn't mean we should rate him as such. He struggles regularly with much less and even against 2-As like the Celestials his performance ranges from "Does absolutely nothing to them" to "Can best them in physical combat with or without a special weapon".

While you have posted a decent number of scans, it's no different from the Tier 2/1 Superman thread a couple months back. The scaling exists sure, and even if a decent number aren't actually impressive in-context, they're ultimately just beyond his normal displayed strength.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I agree with Qawsedf234. Superhuman has a huge number of Tier 2 and Tier 1 feats too, but we don't rate him that. Hulk has Tier 2 and Tier 1 feats, but we don't rate him that. DC/Marvel has been written by hundreds of different authors and their tiers are not consistent. We simply decide which tier we rate them as by trying to find what level are they depicted as consistently, as well as a little bit of "common sense". I am not denying the validity of these feats, but their beyond his normal depicted level of strength.

 

[LordWhis]

But unlike Superman or Wonder Woman Thor has an explanation for this level of power that has been implied/touched on in-verse. His full potential as an elder god is on this level, and has been stated to be at this level. Odin himself said Thor had a potential greater than Asgard and the potential to be much stronger than himself. He is merely tapping into his latent potential in desperate scenarios.

There is no reasoning for Supes or WW to demonstrate Tier 2 or 1 power so such feats are obviously outliers. Thor has reasoning, he canonically has that kind of potential. Rune King Thor will probably be upgraded to Tier Low 1A or 1A or maybe even High 1A if Oblivion's upgrade goes through. Rune King Thor is nothing more than Thor's full potential, it's not like he's empowered by some entity or object. It's not that far fetched that Thor can tap into a fraction of that in desperate situations.

 

[LordUrien935]

Uh, no. Oblivion will never in a million years be upgraded to High 1-A.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well if we accept this Hulk should get "Varies" too cuz he's stronger when he's angrier, and Superman has that weird absorbing the Sun thing too.

We simply rate comic book characters as their most reliable rating due to the sheer number of authors and outliers.

 

[LordWhis]

Doesn't the Hulk already have different tiers and keys based on how angry he is ? Supes should definitely be variable with sun dips- not to mention he's a 10C on Krypton. Also we have like 50 different versions of Supes on the wiki.

For God's sake we rate post-crisis Supes as 2A after several sun dips. It seems like he has a variable tier to me.

 

[The_Impress]

Still no.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Hulk doesn't have different keys based on his anger, he has different keys based on what version of Hulk. Superman isn't 2-A, I don't see him being rated as that on his page.

 

[The_Impress]

We can give literally anything variable tiers, hell Spider-Man can get variable tiers. Why do we not do it? Because it's illogical and bulks up the pages.

Either you prove it's statistics amplification and we'll list that, or I'll reject this altogether. One way or another, Thor's not getting Varies.

 

[LordWhis]

Hulk doesn't have different keys based on his anger, he has different keys based on what version of Hulk. Superman isn't 2-A, I don't see him being rated as that on his page.

And what differentiates the versions of Hulk pray tell me ?

And you're flat out wrong about Supes- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Superman_(Post-Flashpoint)

 

[LordWhis]

@zark: The Thor vs glory fight proves it is a stat amp. I think a character later even mentions that Thor tapped into a power inside himself.

 

[The_Impress]

"And what differentiates these versions of Hulk"

Have you seen the profile... and know a single thing about the Hulk...? All of them are 4-B for crying out loud lol. They're straight up different personalities and in case of Immortal, different abilities altogether, so no, they're just not random stat amps lol

"The Thor vs glory fight proves it is a stat amp. I think a character later even mentions that Thor tapped into a power inside himself."

Any direct statements correlating to this or? It can very well be flowery language.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Didn't Immortal hulk perform some Low 1-A feats when the one below all possessed him?

 

[The_Impress]

Yes, we list it on the One Below All's profile, at that point he's just a husk being controlled by TOBA, so we consider it that entities' key rather than Hulk's, or the feat.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

@LordWhis

1. That's Post-Flashpoint Superman, not Post-Crisis.

2. It's a "Rebirth" version of Post-Flashpoint Superman, and that's because he becomes consistently 2-A after an unknown amount of sun dips or something. I'm not sure though, that's just my understanding from reading the profile.

3. There are clear borders for those version of the Hulk, kinda like different personalities of Bruce Banner. Grey Hulk is the normal Hulk we see with a far different persona than Savage Hulk, Savage Hulk is like when he's super mad, kinda like a pure manifestation of his rage IIRC, World War Hulk is literally a comic series, and Devil Hulk is a malevolent alternate personality of Bruce Banner. But we don't rate Hulk as "Varies" in each key due to the fact that his strength varies with his anger, because it's not reliable and bulks up the pages.

4. As Zark said, if you have evidence of a stat amp, we either just give him that power or make a new key if he's significantly stronger in that key.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Got ninja'd by Zark

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Wouldn't he just get 2-C stat Amplification?

 

[The_Impress]

subsonic zark

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

That works too, but first we need evidence

 

[The_Impress]

No, he wouldn't. Because unless there are straight up statements specifically stating he can become 2-C, he's getting jackshit, no matter how many out of context outliers one may pull.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

If there are direct statements (that don't contradict other stuff of course), we can make a new key or rate him as "4-B normally, <insert rating> with <insert amp>". Otherwise, they're just outliers. Each comic book character has like thousands of them.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I heard that Thor always holds back and doesn't use his Full power, and that those feats were him going all out? I dunno

 

[The_Impress]

Literally describing every character ever lol. "Oh Spider-Man holds back" "Oh Daredevil holds back" "Oh Captain America holds back" and on and on and on and on and on...

It doesn't exactly... matter? They get retconned in a second, so like legit, statements, or this is just headcanon.