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two lesbians fight (time traveler vs a fish)

If junktraps beartrap can prevent recall I don't see why the green soul attack wouldn't. Undyne can just lock her in place and skewer her.


Giving this to Undyne
 
Pointee said:
If junktraps beartrap can prevent recall I don't see why the green soul attack wouldn't. Undyne can just lock her in place and skewer her.


Giving this to Undyne
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Undyne has to hit tracer with her spear to green soul her. You are joking yourself if you think Tracer won't just dance around undyne while litering her with bullets. Tracer being at a 3x AP disadvantage isn't even a problem cause Undyne wouldn't be able to actually tag her before she's dead with many, many, many, MANY shots riddled into her.
 
Pointee said:
If junktraps beartrap can prevent recall I don't see why the green soul attack wouldn't. Undyne can just lock her in place and skewer her.


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This is a game mechanic, Junkrat's traps have no reason to be able to stop time shenanigans.

DaReaperMan said:
Undyne has to hit tracer with her spear to green soul her. You are joking yourself if you think Tracer won't just dance around undyne while litering her with bullets. Tracer being at a 3x AP disadvantage isn't even a problem cause Undyne wouldn't be able to actually tag her before she's dead with many, many, many, MANY shots riddled into her.
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Undyne has Danmaku soul attacks that Tracer has no resilience towards, she's going to be focused on a lot of dodging compared to shooting as she isn't dealing with a single shot heavy hitter like Doomfist.

Undyne also has Type 2 immortality as she is literally to determined to die, her Neutral fight only ends when her body melts because monster bodies cannot take that level of determination. So suggesting she's quick to die really undersells her capabilities to me.

For the fight itself, I don't know who would win right this second.
 
Said danmaku would be hard pressed to tag tracer, and even then she can just recall off any real damages she takes or do it before she's tagged. She can shoot entire clips quick enough to shoot one and blink whatever danmaku is coming her way

Why do you think I emphasized just how many bullets would be going into Undyne?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Said danmaku would be hard pressed to tag tracer, and even then she can just recall off any real damages she takes or do it before she's tagged. She can shoot entire clips quick enough to shoot one and blink whatever danmaku is coming her way
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Not necessarily, as you'd be comparing her to Frisk, who has a time manipulation that allows for unlimited deaths and retries on the Player's part, Tracer does not have this knowledge or level of intuition to dodge all of Undyne's Danmaku and suggesting so would be wrong. A singular prediction on Doomfist's part put Tracer out of the fight because in the way he struck, Tracer does not have the soul resilience Frisk has to withstand much soul damage.

We also don't know if Tracer can recall spam the same way she blink spams, as we never see this, so we can assume there's at least a buffer period before she can recall again.

DaReaperMan said:
Why do you think I emphasized just how many bullets would be going into Undyne?
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And what would it matter? Many many weaker hits to an inorganic magical being don't compare to the hits of someone with a strong soul like UT humans, you can assume Tracer has some killing intent here as she is willing to kill, but she's for the most part benign and doesn't kill unless she has to.

Tracer operates in closer range for maximum effectiveness of her weapons, Tracer being predicted and struck with Green Mode would still be an option.

EDIT: I'd like to add that I do not believe Green Mode will prevent Recalls, but it would likely prevent Blinks.
 
Abstractions said:
Not necessarily, as you'd be comparing her to Frisk, who has a time manipulation that allows for unlimited deaths and retries on the Player's part, Tracer does not have this knowledge or level of intuition to dodge all of Undyne's Danmaku and suggesting so would be wrong. A singular prediction on Doomfist's part put Tracer out of the fight because in the way he struck, Tracer does not have the soul resilience Frisk has to withstand much soul damage.

We also don't know if Tracer can recall spam the same way she blink spams, as we never see this, so we can assume there's at least a buffer period before she can recall again.


And what would it matter? Many many weaker hits to an inorganic magical being don't compare to the hits of someone with a strong soul like UT humans, you can assume Tracer has some killing intent here as she is willing to kill, but she's for the most part benign and doesn't kill unless she has to.

Tracer operates in closer range for maximum effectiveness of her weapons, Tracer being predicted and struck with Green Mode would still be an option.

EDIT: I'd like to add that I do not believe Green Mode will prevent Recalls, but it would likely prevent Blinks.
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Undyne's danmaku is in a fairly restricted area, Tracer can just blink like 3 times and be away from Undyne's danmaku and force the fish in armor to turn if she wants to respond.

The buffer wouldn't be very much, normally we wouldn't assume any CDs unless shown in-verse but hey

Undyne doesn't have unlimited ability to tank hits, enough attacks and she will go down due to her own DT.

Comparing Undyne to Doomfist of all characters is not exactly the best thing to do. Yes, Undyne did manage to floor Asgore, who is a dodgey guy at times, no does that in any way mean she's at all comparable to the guy who's mastered like 9+ martial arts and is known to be able to predict people.

I agree with that honestly
 
DaReaperMan said:
Undyne's danmaku is in a fairly restricted area, Tracer can just blink like 3 times and be away from Undyne's danmaku and force the fish in armor to turn if she wants to respond.
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The bridge scene indicates that Undyne has enough range on her danmaku for it to not matter where Tracer goes unless she's fleeing to a spot where her weapons would also be much less effective.

Undyne's reverse arrows would also require Tracer to dodge one arrow more than once.

DaReaperMan said:
Undyne doesn't have unlimited ability to tank hits, enough attacks and she will go down due to her own DT.
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And that will take awhile, this isn't Scout or a TF2 mercenary who would die from bleeding out after being riddled with bullets or shots to the face.

DaReaperMan said:
Comparing Undyne to Doomfist of all characters is not exactly the best thing to do. Yes, Undyne did manage to floor Asgore, who is a dodgey guy at times, no does that in any way mean she's at all comparable to the guy who's mastered like 9+ martial arts and is known to be able to predict people.
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Undyne doesn't need to be as skilled because other factors are at play:

  • Doomfist could buy time with his shielding, Undyne has Type 2.
  • Doomfist was purely a melee fighter where he needed to be on top of his game to catch her, Undyne has Green Mode and Danmaku soul-based attacks.
 
Abstractions said:
The bridge scene indicates that Undyne has enough range on her danmaku for it to not matter where Tracer goes unless she's fleeing to a spot where her weapons would also be much less effective.

Undyne's reverse arrows would also require Tracer to dodge one arrow more than once.


And that will take awhile, this isn't Scout or a TF2 mercenary who would die from bleeding out after being riddled with bullets or shots to the face.


Undyne doesn't need to be as skilled because other factors are at play:

  • Doomfist could buy time with his shielding, Undyne has Type 2.
  • Doomfist was purely a melee fighter where he needed to be on top of his game to catch her, Undyne has Green Mode and Danmaku soul-based attacks.
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Doesn't use in the actual boss fight

Only really uses when her opponent is already green

It really won't. Undyne is a tank but tracer's pulse rifles output 20 rounds in like half a second to a second before needing to reload, Undyne tanks slashing attacks just fine but when you narrow down the attacks piercing damage comes into play, just something to think about

Doomfist has a shotgun attached to one hand and literally stood there and no-sold all of Tracer's attacks, he wasn't even touched damage wise until Winston literally went ape shit.
 
Your first two rebuttals are just an issue with gameplay pattern, we know she's capable of it and does it.

DaReaperMan said:
It really won't. Undyne is a tank but tracer's pulse rifles output 20 rounds in like half a second to a second before needing to reload, Undyne tanks slashing attacks just fine but when you narrow down the attacks piercing damage comes into play, just something to think about
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Monsters survive the empty gun just fine, the weakness is the biggest factor.

It should be noted that Tracer isn't likely to survive attacks at all while we are on the subject of withstanding things.

DaReaperMan said:
Doomfist has a shotgun attached to one hand and literally stood there and no-sold all of Tracer's attacks, he wasn't even touched damage wise until Winston literally went ape shit.
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Abstractions said:
Doomfist could buy time with his shielding
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The shotgun attachment =/= soul danmaku coming at you from all directions.
 
Abstractions said:
Your first two rebuttals are just an issue with gameplay pattern, we know she's capable of it and does it.


Monsters survive the empty gun just fine, the weakness is the biggest factor.

It should be noted that Tracer isn't likely to survive attacks at all while we are on the subject of withstanding things.



The shotgun attachment =/= soul danmaku coming at you from all directions.
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It can also be said she just doesn't use them unless circumstances are right, the spears coming from the ground happened when Undyne couldn't reach the opponent without going a different route entirely to our knowledge

We don't know what the empty gun fires in the slightest besides magic, for all we know it's a bunch of globes.

Undertale soul hax doesn't one-shot cause it doesn't have proof of doing such, probably would just pass through while dealing damage to the soul, which would kill tracer if it like, went through her heart and didn't recall, but that's cause Tracer is still human

The Forcefields doomfist did nothing to activate, and had no reason to, since he no-sold everything from Tracer and Genji anyway. Plus Undyne's danmaku isn't actually all that tough in this key for her actual fight, if this were Undying, yeah, Tracer would probably lose solidly, but I think Tracer beats base Undyne.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Shotguns.
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Ah. **** them shotguns

anywho


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