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To Aru 5-B's

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I have some issues with To Aru's "At least 5-B, likely far higher" tier. They're scaled from Fiamma, who has a generic 5-B statement, and the superior Invisible Thing; why the far higher? They could just qualify for solidly 5-B and nothing more because the scaling chain is just two characters, but At least 5-B instead would be a lot more reasonable.

I know there's a thread about 5-B Post-Headshot Accelerator but this is a different issue so.
 
I agree that at least 5-B is probably better, given that it's pretty vague how much stronger than LPSAD!Fiamma they are, besides "a lot more" which isn't really quantifiable. I just have to point out that although it's based on two characters, the scaling chain looks something like this.

Regular Coronzon and Nerfed Magic Gods > Weakened Coronzon in space and Strengthened Aiwass in space > Regular Aiwass > Stronger Invisible Thing > WWIII Invisible Thing > La Persona Superiore a Dio Fiamma

Fiamma has two statements for 5-B, and Aiwass has another in OT22's Epilogue, which I just realized is missing from its page. In case someone wants to add it.

Did it have value or interest?

That was the criterion on which that existence acted and it was an existence that could
easily destroy the planet were it to decide the planet were unnecessary.
 
I thought the "At least 5-B, likely far higher" tier are scaled to Coronzon who scaled to Aiwass, who scaled to the invisible thing/powers behind the right hand, which has an unknown status but should be far higher than Fiamma's 5-B scaling.
 
At least 5-B is good, then. Likely far higher implies a massive tier jump.
 
I think we should leave it as it is.

The invisible thing is "far higher" than Fiamma but doesn't have a known tier. So I think the At least 5-B, likely far higher is correct.
 
"Far higher" implies a massive jump that is not substantiated by such vague statements. Being way stronger than a generic 5-B statement is not "far higher".
 
Why don't we take the "far" out and just have At least 5-B, likely higher. As I said IT, I think, scales to Fiamma who is higer than Fiamma but is tier is unknown. The rest really scale to IT more than they do Fiamma anyway.

Tbh though the new novel releases in July as well and barring it's not a side story, we might have a better idea of where IT scales anyway.
 
At least 5-B is fine for now. Nothing concretely suggesting a higher tier yet.
 
Yes. I'm not disputing that. That doesn't mean that the IT that beat Fiamma jumps to 5-A, or, as "far higher" implies, into Tier 4 or something.
 
That doesn't mean it doesn't either. It's hard to say either way since ToAru characters are extremely hard to scale.

Tbh since all the "At least 5-B, likely far higher" scales more to IT. So really the tier should actually be unknown. Unless there's plans to give IT an At 5-B tier as well.
 
Did you only read that bit or did you actually read the rest of my comment?

Because right after I said "It's hard to tell either way" meaning that it can't be proved either way.
 
The IT that they're being scaled to here has a 5-B feat and there are other 5-B feats that they scale to anyways, 5-B feats that are also pretty generic in nature, so it doesn't matter.
 
The powers behind the right hand says unknown on Touma's page. It's IB that has the 5-B tier.

This is from Touma's page

9-C, at least 5-B possibly Low 2-C with Imagine Breaker, Unknow with powers beyond the right hand

So if IT is at least 5-B then that needs to be upgraded then.
 
Actually thinking on it "At least 5-B" is fine.

But IT does need to go from "Unknown" to "At Least 5-B"

@XDragnoir

Maybe it was meant to be changed but was never gotten around to.
 
i'm fine with how it is now. It's really just semantics Fiamma with a no name attack can turn a planet to dust, IT scared him and made him feel like what he had was nothing, a stronger version of IT was casually ripped apart by Aiwass, A strengthened Aiwass was more or less equal with a weaker Coronzon.

We also know that Aleister was building Aiwass up to defeat fullpower magic gods, so we just don't know how far along that plan was.
 
No change is needed for the key, invisible thing defeated world rejector which could easily destroy Nephs embedded phase.
 
None of that warrants "far higher".

Dispense with the uncertainty and give it the actual tier for that feat, then.
 
First sentence is you, second sentence is Zensum.
 
Oh but it does warrant for far higher. Aiwass was on the path to it's tier 1 power as a full powered magic god killer. but we don't know how far that actually is. so at least 5b likely far higher is quite appropriate.

I would appreciate a explanation as to why rather than a short sentence response. scrolling up i see your post:

Yes. I'm not disputing that. That doesn't mean that the IT that beat Fiamma jumps to 5-A, or, as "far higher" implies, into Tier 4 or something.

This is entirely plausible for Aiwass and Coronzon.
 
Pages should specify that better, then.
 
The tiers are on the chars profiles for Neph and Kamisato are they not?

The "likely higher" and "Unknown" mainly come from Aiwass as TIHY said, Avatarless Coronzon still containing the power to destroy half the universe, and the Invisible Thing's power being unexplained and continiously increasing from (OT22 > NT14 > NT18..etc) to the point you can't quantify destroying it with a tier other than the fact it is beyond Imagine Breaker and at least 5B.
 
We can't do anything none of the supporters have access to locked profiles besides DontTalkDT and he doesn't have time to reply most of the time. from what i've seen nothing happens with the verse unless a new volume is out.

and honestly this is like the smallest issue with the profiles, theres much worse that needs fixing but no one has the drive/passion to fix it. since it's so god damn painful to do anything with the verse. CRTs drag out for months and go nowhere. I've lost count how many are in limbo.
 
Yeah, containing the power to destroy half the universe is unquantifiable.

There are multiple pages, and said pages do not describe several things that have been mentioned here at all. If only one does, the rest should follow that example rather than have the weakest justifications possible.

You can ask any staff member to unlock a page or do the edits for you. You don't have to wait for DT.
 
Feel free to do that TIHY or else we will probably end up reworking justifications when the NT22R thread is made in a month or so.
 
I'd rather someone more familiar with the specifics handled it, but if it'll get tackled sooner or later I'm fine with waiting.
 
Zensum said:
Feel free to do that TIHY or else we will probably end up reworking justifications when the NT22R thread is made in a month or so.
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When i mentioned people can't be bothered I was also including myself. I'll only pop in every now and then when something that interests me arises.
 
TIHYDDWBE said:
Zensum said:
Feel free to do that TIHY or else we will probably end up reworking justifications when the NT22R thread is made in a month or so.
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When i mentioned people can't be bothered I was also including myself. I'll only pop in every now and then when something that interests me arises.
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Yeah, I think this is because the pages are locked, so it's hard for anyone to make edits. I'm guessing this is because of vandalism and/or people constantly changing certain things on profiles.

I still need to update Accel's profile.
 
The only thing that was scaled to fiamma was IT and with the latest novel it broke out of IB, lock or not it's still more powerful than IB now so around 1c, and anyway the tier is unknown now right ? just leave it at that until we have more info

btw could u specify or link the pages u want to change ?
 
I think it's all the "5-B. likely far higher" characters like Accel, Coronzon, Aleister, Nerfed Magic Gods and Aiwass.

Coronzon was the one to break the lock not IT.
 
With the lock. broken. It was the lock that was keeping IT in when that was broken it allowed IT to escape along with the other things that was also in Touma's right hand. If the lock hadn't been broken then IT wouldn't have been able to escape.
 
yes that does not change IT overcame IB negation without lock, the lock was just keeping it from coming out on it's own
 
Didn't IT almost break out if IB by itself against High Priest? Touma's hand started to crack apart when High Priest was coming down with the meteor.
 
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