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Tier 9-B Bone Crusher Tournament (2022): William Blazkowicz vs Batman

DemonicDude

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Round 1 Match 4:

Rules:
  • Same Rules as stated in the Tournament.
  • Speed Equalized
  • Distance: Fighting distance for every matchup will be 10 meters.
  • Location: Sports Festival Stadium from My Hero Academia

The biggest match of this tournament ! The war veteran nazi killing machine William Blazkowicz goes up against the one and only Batman ! I can already see the bones being broken in this one ! If you know anything about these two then welp...This is going to be a war !

AnonymousBlank vs LIFE_OF_KING

Results:
William Blazkowicz: 1 (King)
Batman (DC Extended Universe): 1 (Anonymous)
Inconclusive: 8 (Random, DD, Psycho, Veloxt, Adem, Noneless21, Popted2, Pokemonfan)
Batman wins via Coin-flip.
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"one and only Batman" Sir, we have like 20 Batman's on this side alone.

William gets all his guns and stuff?
 
So which of his stuff does Batman get?
I take it the grapple gun is out by technicality?
What about the car, Batwing and grenades/bombs?
 
DontTalkDT said:
So which of his stuff does Batman get?
I take it the grapple gun is out by technicality?
What about the car, Batwing and grenades/bombs?
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Batwing, as well as grenades and bombs should be alright.

Grapple gun can't be used.

Car should be fine I guess.
 
Google tells me both Batmobile and Batwing have build-in guns, though. (Someone knowledgable feel free to correct me on that)
 
DemonicDude said:
Round 1 Match 4:

Rules:
  • Same Rules as stated in the Tournament.
  • Speed Equalized
  • Distance: Fighting distance for every matchup will be 10 meters.
  • Location: Sports Festival Stadium from My Hero Academia

The biggest match of this tournament ! The war veteran nazi killing machine William Blazkowicz goes up against the one and only Batman ! I can already see the bones being broken in this one ! If you know anything about these two then welp...This is going to be a war !

AnonymousBlank vs LIFE_OF_KING

Results:
William Blazkowicz:
Batman (DC Extended Universe):
Inconclusive:
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William Low-diffs. He outclasses batman in every way
 
Aight so Bats definitely doesn't have his vehicles since they would all stone wall the crap out of people in this tourney since the site won't scale him to his Batmobile they are decently into 9-B+ iirc. Their weapons are also between 9-B+ to 9-A.

As for the actual hth scrap, what skill feats does Blaz have? Bats is
  • The second most skilled person in the DCEU right behind Diana who learned every form of combat.
  • Can look at A throw a few punches and amp B's skill to the point of stomping A despite B's injuries, fatigue, smaller build, shorter reach etc with a single sentence.
  • More skilled than rest of the League including Aquaman = Orm who is an 8th Dan Nautilus in Xebel Fu (super skilled in a 3d trident/spear fight that also happens to involve literally anything the fighters want to involve like kicks, strikes etc) that is undefeated.
  • Also more skilled than Clark and therefore the likes of Faora who was bred to be a warrior. Seeing as she was Zod's right hand and Kryptonians genetically engineered their populace in the womb to fulfil specific roles in their society, this was intentional and would make her the second (third) best warrior on Krypton after Zod (and the GOAT Jor-El) seeing as he is general for being the best fighter out of the soldier caste. Which is actually really impressive considering she would have an extreme physical disadvantage against the like of Nam-Ek.
  • 1v4'd four highly trained mercs who were equal to him in speed with hth alone Bruce is on some Ip Man shit tbh
  • Stated several times to be a match for any criminal in the DCEU
The last one means that he is able to face off guys like
  1. El Diablo who is way stronger than him and a literal god with flames able to vape people instantly, something that is above Bats' cape.
  2. Deadshot and Bloodsport massively outrange him with better better accuracy feats.
  3. Judomaster (I think. dunno if he was active duing BvS) man bops Peacemaker, Vigilante and Harcourt in a 3v1.
  4. Killer Croc is stronger than pretty much anything Batman has in his arsenal short of vehicles (that weren't used or else Croc would be swiss cheese or scale to them) and Bats ran him out of Gotham.
  5. Peacemaker, Bloodsport and Rick Flag all apparently know a move that can kill a man instantly.
  6. Rick is the best soldier America has ever produced aka he scales to whatever brand of MMA the military teaches.
Then we have Bats preferring to stealth the shit out of people. Distance is short but one smoke grenade and he can put Blaz down with a Batarang to the throat, any number of holds etc. If Supes of all people can't pick up on Bats in a mech suit, nobody in this tourney is.

And then Bats also has a x1.6 AP advantage on top of this which is super casual because sneak attacks through the wall you are backed against is utterly terrifying
 
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AnonymousBlank said:
Aight so Bats definitely doesn't have his vehicles since they would all stone wall the crap out of people in this tourney since the site won't scale him to his Batmobile they are decently into 9-B+ iirc. Their weapons are also between 9-B+ to 9-A.

As for the actual hth scrap, what skill feats does Blaz have? Bats is
  • The second most skilled person in the DCEU right behind Diana who learned every form of combat.
  • Can look at A throw a few punches and amp B's skill to the point of stomping A despite B's injuries, fatigue, smaller build, shorter reach etc
  • More skilled than rest of the League including Aquaman = Orm who is an 8th Dan Nautilus in Xebel Fu (super skilled in a 3d trident/spear fight that also happens to involve literally anything the fighters want to involve like kicks, strikes etc) that is undefeated.
  • Also more skilled than Clark and therefore the likes of Faora who was bred to be a warrior. Seeing as she was Zod's right hand and Kryptonians genetically engineered their populace in the womb to fulfil specific roles in their society, this was intentional and would make her the second (third) best warrior on Krypton after Zod (and the GOAT Jor-El) seeing as he is general for being the best fighter out of the soldier caste. Which is actually really impressive considering she would have an extreme physical disadvantage against the like of Nam-Ek.
  • Stated several times to be a match for any criminal in the DCEU
The last one means that he is able to face off guys like
  1. El Diablo who is way stronger than him and a literal god with flames able to vape people instantly, something that is above Bats' cape.
  2. Deadshot and Bloodsport massively outrange him with better better accuracy feats.
  3. Judomaster (I think. dunno if he was active duing BvS) man bops Peacemaker, Vigilante and Harcourt in a 3v1.
  4. Killer Croc is stronger than pretty much anything Batman has in his arsenal short of vehicles (that weren't used or else Croc would be swiss cheese or scale to them) and Bats ran him out of Gotham.
  5. Peacemaker, Bloodsport and Rick Flag all apparently know a move that can kill a man instantly.
  6. Rick is the best soldier America has ever produced aka he scales to whatever brand of MMA the military teaches.
Then we have Bats preferring to stealth the shit out of people. Distance is short but one smoke grenade and he can put Blaz down with a Batarang to the throat, any number of holds etc. If Supes of all people can't pick up on Bats in a mech suit, nobody in this tourney is.

And then Bats also has a x1.6 AP advantage on top of this which is super casual because sneak attacks through the wall you are backed against is utterly terrifying
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Yeah I don't see how I'm winning this tournament when there's people like this in the tourney.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
  • Stated several times to be a match for any criminal in the DCEU
The last one means that he is able to face off guys like
  1. El Diablo who is way stronger than him and a literal god with flames able to vape people instantly, something that is above Bats' cape.
  2. Deadshot and Bloodsport massively outrange him with better better accuracy feats.
  3. Judomaster (I think. dunno if he was active duing BvS) man bops Peacemaker, Vigilante and Harcourt in a 3v1.
  4. Killer Croc is stronger than pretty much anything Batman has in his arsenal short of vehicles (that weren't used or else Croc would be swiss cheese or scale to them) and Bats ran him out of Gotham.
  5. Peacemaker, Bloodsport and Rick Flag all apparently know a move that can kill a man instantly.
  6. Rick is the best soldier America has ever produced aka he scales to whatever brand of MMA the military teaches.
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Was that stated to be with just hand to hand combat, though? Cause, tbf, intelligence, prep and gadgets are usually part of what makes Batman a match for people. Not pure direct non-prep hand-to-hand.
 
Blaz should have 3 keys, two where he is High 8-C and the last one with him being 8-A. So yes, it is indeed a "Low diffs" battle

Blaz is skilled enough to overcome this, even though he is weaker. Blaz has shown that he can fight machines that are stronger than he is, even when those machines are outnumbered. By the way, facing stronger enemies is something extremely frequent in the series, facing characters that can evaporate you in 2 to 3 attacks. Even when Blaz was a below average human in terms of strength, not even strong enough to stand up, he was considered the best person to use the Da'at Yichud for the purpose of extinguishing Nazis, which would be a consequence of his skills and experiences. Hell, the bastard while wheelchair-bound managed to beat dozens of superhuman Nazis while weakened, confused and not understanding anything, and yet people even managed to have hope in the battle simply because the son of a bitch woke up

In addition to his massive stamina advantage. Blaz is able to fight dozens of Nazis without stopping even after having his leg broken and experiencing the greatest pain a human can feel over and over again, and still fight without difficulty. Besides other various feats, such as wearing armor that makes him feel constant pain and unable to sleep, while at the same time fighting almost every day
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Blaz is skilled enough to overcome this, even though he is weaker. Blaz has shown that he can fight machines that are stronger than he is, even when those machines are outnumbered. By the way, facing stronger enemies is something extremely frequent in the series, facing characters that can evaporate you in 2 to 3 attacks. Even when Blaz was a below average human in terms of strength, not even strong enough to stand up, he was considered the best person to use the Da'at Yichud for the purpose of extinguishing Nazis, which would be a consequence of his skills and experiences. Hell, the bastard while wheelchair-bound managed to beat dozens of superhuman Nazis while weakened, confused and not understanding anything, and yet people even managed to have hope in the battle simply because the son of a bitch woke up

In addition to his massive stamina advantage. Blaz is able to fight dozens of Nazis without stopping even after having his leg broken and experiencing the greatest pain a human can feel over and over again, and still fight without difficulty. Besides other various feats, such as wearing armor that makes him feel constant pain and unable to sleep, while at the same time fighting almost every day
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How much of that was done purely via hand-to-hand combat? Cause, y'know, no guns and stuff.
 
DontTalkDT said:
How much of that was done purely via hand-to-hand combat? Cause, y'know, no guns and stuff.
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Many parts of the game you cannot use firearms, and notably the Nazi Empire likes to mention the fact that Blaz is excellent in hand-to-hand battle. You can take for example when he was tortured almost to death, and soon after executed several enemies using only knives
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Many parts of the game you cannot use firearms, and notably the Nazi Empire likes to mention the fact that Blaz is excellent in hand-to-hand battle. You can take for example when he was tortured almost to death, and soon after executed several enemies using only knives
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But no fighting those machines that are stronger than he is or the people that can vaporize him just with hands/knives?
 
DontTalkDT said:
But no fighting those machines that are stronger than he is or the people that can vaporize him just with hands/knives?
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It is a player's choice, you can fight with anything you have

But in this part where Blaz is obliged to use only knives, he strategically manages to defeat a robot with the intellect of a trained soldier. Although, of course, he used grenades hidden on the map. But you realize that Blaz is able to fight much stronger opponents through strategy and other aspects
 
DontTalkDT said:
Was that stated to be with just hand to hand combat, though? Cause, tbf, intelligence, prep and gadgets are usually part of what makes Batman a match for people. Not pure direct non-prep hand-to-hand.
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The statements are for Batman's body, skill, intelligence and gear, even the lists of his gear only make mention of what he has in BvS no mention of specific prep or things outside of it. Thing is that Bats doesn't go for frontal fights and instead goes with sneak attacks as his first option as seen with the warehouse fight and the BvS guide. Obviously here he can't attack through the floor or anything but its a wide open arena like when he fought Supes.

Smoke bomb, ghost Blaz, decapitate.
LIFE_OF_KING said:
It is a player's choice, you can fight with anything you have

But in this part where Blaz is obliged to use only knives, he strategically manages to defeat a robot with the intellect of a trained soldier. Although, of course, he used grenades hidden on the map. But you realize that Blaz is able to fight much stronger opponents through strategy and other aspects
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If you can fight with anything you have then its not exactly a skill feat, especially considering the grenades in the video. Speaking of, what does Blaz actually have for standard equipment? His profile lists a whole host of stuff and the things that aren't guns need to be scavenged from enemy soldiers. This arena also doesn't have breakable environment that just contains gear for him too.
Warriorofthee said:
For starters, William's Strength, Durability, and Agility surpass batman not only that William can survive as a head not only that batman has no real way of killing him. I'm certain the William's skills are superior.
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The AP provided for William says he is weaker than Bats. agility doesn't really matter, being a head doesn't mean the other guy can't win. He was also going to die without the others helping him as seen in the clip on his profile.
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Blaz should have 3 keys, two where he is High 8-C and the last one with him being 8-A. So yes, it is indeed a "Low diffs" battle

Blaz is skilled enough to overcome this, even though he is weaker. Blaz has shown that he can fight machines that are stronger than he is, even when those machines are outnumbered. By the way, facing stronger enemies is something extremely frequent in the series, facing characters that can evaporate you in 2 to 3 attacks.
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From the stuff linked so far, all I have seen is him using equipment he doesn't have here to beat his enemies. You got links to this stuff?
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Even when Blaz was a below average human in terms of strength, not even strong enough to stand up, he was considered the best person to use the Da'at Yichud for the purpose of extinguishing Nazis, which would be a consequence of his skills and experiences.
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Can you explain what this Da'at Yichud is? Cuz "extinguishing Nazis" doesn't sound like hth, and the latter bit after that makes it sound like he is simply more experienced than anyone else there at the time, not exactly hard for a war veteran.
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Hell, the bastard while wheelchair-bound managed to beat dozens of superhuman Nazis while weakened, confused and not understanding anything, and yet people even managed to have hope in the battle simply because the son of a bitch woke up.
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Is this a cutscene or more gameplay? Also does he actually fight multiple of them simultaneously or is it the standard fight scene where he quickly beats up one and moves onto the next straight after?
LIFE_OF_KING said:
In addition to his massive stamina advantage. Blaz is able to fight dozens of Nazis without stopping even after having his leg broken and experiencing the greatest pain a human can feel over and over again, and still fight without difficulty. Besides other various feats, such as wearing armor that makes him feel constant pain and unable to sleep, while at the same time fighting almost every day
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Stamina honestly doesn't matter.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
If you can fight with anything you have then its not exactly a skill feat, especially considering the grenades in the video.
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No, in the video Blaz has no weapons, this is part of the story and the fight, he cannot use any weapon except the grenades hidden on the map. When I say "it is something of the player's choice" I mean in other scenes in the game, where you face things like robots the size of houses to buildings that can instantly kill you if you are not careful. In fact you use weapons against 90% of the cases and sometimes it is mandatory (Like against the building robot boss), but this is not the only thing to evaluate, there are thousands of others, aspects like strategy, agility, survival and how to deal with situations that seem impossible are important. You cannot ignore things like Blaz defeating invulnerable beings through sheer agility. For example, Blaz was able to defeat London Monitor with weapons, but that does not rule out the fact that it is an incredible feat in terms of skill, since entire armed armies with much more preparation were not able to do even a third of what Blaz was able to do.
AnonymousBlank said:
Speaking of, what does Blaz actually have for standard equipment?
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Knives (Wolfenstein: New Order) and an axe (Wolfenstein: New Colossus)
AnonymousBlank said:
Can you explain what this Da'at Yichud is?
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An armor that gives him superhuman characteristics, simple. Virtually nothing else, except for things like insane discomfort and constant pain. To put it into context, at a certain part of the story Blaz is extremely weakened to the point of not having the strength to stand up, and then starts wearing such armor after his friend dies (previous User). And although several times it is mentioned that he is weak at the moment, it is said at the same time that without Blaz's existence the Nazis would never truly lose, and therefore he continues to use the Da'at Yichud while participating in the main missions
AnonymousBlank said:
Is this a cutscene or more gameplay?
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Both
AnonymousBlank said:
Stamina honestly doesn't matter.
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How the hell do you think that? Stamina means the amount of damage one can take and keep fighting, this is something EXTREMELY important. It basically means that even if Batman breaks some of Blaz's bones or even cuts off a body part, it's going to be totally useless, because it's not going to affect anything
 
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I just feel like this whole debate is just who's more skilled than the other, and I feel like it's just going to drag on and on.

I'll vote Incon for now (they both seem pretty evenly matched).
 
It's not weakness but he can survive getting his head chopped off (But can his body react on his own it such thing happened in Combat, wouldn't that be a K.O ?)
What can Will do as a head though? I'm curious.
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Yeah same.
 
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