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So I just happened to notice this, Thing's 5-B rating essentially comes from "Physically stronger than the Grey Hulk". However when looking at the actual feat this is not exactly the case. Feat Here in #320 we see Thing not at base as he is clearly amped by cosmic rays and is fighting a Joe Fixit grey hulk. Also we can see while amped he says that he wouldn't have been able to get through some metal debris quickly without the power up.
The only other instance of base Thing vs Hulk is here where he fights a grey she-hulk who is nerfed and dying from poisoning to the point they thought she was already dead but was still having trouble.
Also closer examination of the Umbra feat in #297-298, it shows the vortex powered by red solar energy which destroyed the warworld planetoid was a wormhole that fused Jaggur and Umbra as a by-product and teleported them. Even though Thing is physically superior, scaling him to Umbras higher energy absorption capcity doesnt make much sense.
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Decidied to look at the Basiliks feat and I don't believe it is at all scalable to The Thing's AP. Like the calc said, Basiliks could potentially cause these life wiping events, however it was done indirectly rather than with AP. TnO 18-19 and Team Up 47, we see the cataclysm events are a response caused by the chain reaction rising of volcanoes. And the rising of volcanoes is caused by this feat from Omega and Alpha stones merging in him under the earth surface after he was freed from encasement. Thus triggering the chai of the other volcanoes spawning in random places like NY. Essentially scaling to his AP wouldn't make sense because he wasn't explicitly causing this by his strength at all. Further backed but the fact he doesn't have the power to stop them and he couldnt tank this explosion. Physically his strength is no where near the yield of his chain reaction feat as he has trouble with Spiderman X X , while his energy projection is repeatedly tanked by SpidermaX X X
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Even though I can't see the calc I assume Ebon Seeker is being treated as a real black hole and is getting scaled to thing from their encounter here. However the problem with this scaling is, Ebon was weakening due to negative force leaving his body and even the narration says Ebon wasn't hurt at all and was basically pushed to his target which he didn't mind X X. Also Thing was only able to hit him as he is explicitly made out of physical substance . Ebon was called a mini black hole and has shown some properties of one, they later find out he's more like a sentient pieces of negative zone. He doesn't completely act like a BH considering the F4 can get near/touch him without dying and his best intetional feats come from pulling up a city block and pulling up a portion of ocean floor. His planet destroying feats are passive and happen over time as the negative energy and black streamers have to leave his body gradually covering the planet to destroy it however it kills him in the process as all his energy is expended. X X X.
The thing doesn't really scale to that Blastaar feat. He just hits him once then gets BFRd X X. Even so it would be an outlier anyways since the thing was struggling with far less in the same comic. Seems to be issue with Blastasr calc too because i'm pretty sure treating it as if Blastaar was emitting all the heat isn't how it works as Blastaar isn't the one heating everything to a billion degrees. And we know tanking heat =/= tanking blunt force.
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Ego - EM fails to take into account Ben's surface area in relation to the planet, and also doesn't use Ego's canon diameter of 6664 km. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Calculator.html Using this calculator and assuming a surface gravity of 1g, Ego would have a GBE of 3.199e31 J and a surface area of 1.395e14 m^2. Giving Ben a surface area about double that of a regular person (so about 2 m^2), this would mean Ben is taking just 1.443e-14x the total energy of the blast, or about 4.58e17 J, a 7-A feat. If we decide to use EM's figure for the energy of Ego exploding anyways for some reason, then this would come out to 1.21e20 J, a 6-C level feat. Besides this, Ego just crumples around thing while hes in the brain cavity so he doesnt take the full brunt.
Summary: As seen, he needs to be amped to fight on Fixit's level, one of the weaker grey hulks which is weaker than green hulk by a non-descript amount, and at base he has trouble with heavily nerfed she-hulk and is shown consistently inferior to hulk strength wise. Also he is not comparbale to Umbra's energy absorption capabilties or Basiliks chain reacton feats. So this rating should be changed.
New AP Justification: Since thing has proven to be somewhat comparable to Namor X X X in AvX. They fought but Thing couldnt down him. He can scale from Namor who was able to support the weight of a pillar that holds up the Utopia Island and New Atlantis, which extends from below at the bottom of the ocea, for a brief period of time. This feat should yield something around the range of at least high 6-C.
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The only other instance of base Thing vs Hulk is here where he fights a grey she-hulk who is nerfed and dying from poisoning to the point they thought she was already dead but was still having trouble.
Also closer examination of the Umbra feat in #297-298, it shows the vortex powered by red solar energy which destroyed the warworld planetoid was a wormhole that fused Jaggur and Umbra as a by-product and teleported them. Even though Thing is physically superior, scaling him to Umbras higher energy absorption capcity doesnt make much sense.
Edit*
Decidied to look at the Basiliks feat and I don't believe it is at all scalable to The Thing's AP. Like the calc said, Basiliks could potentially cause these life wiping events, however it was done indirectly rather than with AP. TnO 18-19 and Team Up 47, we see the cataclysm events are a response caused by the chain reaction rising of volcanoes. And the rising of volcanoes is caused by this feat from Omega and Alpha stones merging in him under the earth surface after he was freed from encasement. Thus triggering the chai of the other volcanoes spawning in random places like NY. Essentially scaling to his AP wouldn't make sense because he wasn't explicitly causing this by his strength at all. Further backed but the fact he doesn't have the power to stop them and he couldnt tank this explosion. Physically his strength is no where near the yield of his chain reaction feat as he has trouble with Spiderman X X , while his energy projection is repeatedly tanked by SpidermaX X X
Edit2*
Even though I can't see the calc I assume Ebon Seeker is being treated as a real black hole and is getting scaled to thing from their encounter here. However the problem with this scaling is, Ebon was weakening due to negative force leaving his body and even the narration says Ebon wasn't hurt at all and was basically pushed to his target which he didn't mind X X. Also Thing was only able to hit him as he is explicitly made out of physical substance . Ebon was called a mini black hole and has shown some properties of one, they later find out he's more like a sentient pieces of negative zone. He doesn't completely act like a BH considering the F4 can get near/touch him without dying and his best intetional feats come from pulling up a city block and pulling up a portion of ocean floor. His planet destroying feats are passive and happen over time as the negative energy and black streamers have to leave his body gradually covering the planet to destroy it however it kills him in the process as all his energy is expended. X X X.
The thing doesn't really scale to that Blastaar feat. He just hits him once then gets BFRd X X. Even so it would be an outlier anyways since the thing was struggling with far less in the same comic. Seems to be issue with Blastasr calc too because i'm pretty sure treating it as if Blastaar was emitting all the heat isn't how it works as Blastaar isn't the one heating everything to a billion degrees. And we know tanking heat =/= tanking blunt force.
Edit 3*
Ego - EM fails to take into account Ben's surface area in relation to the planet, and also doesn't use Ego's canon diameter of 6664 km. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Calculator.html Using this calculator and assuming a surface gravity of 1g, Ego would have a GBE of 3.199e31 J and a surface area of 1.395e14 m^2. Giving Ben a surface area about double that of a regular person (so about 2 m^2), this would mean Ben is taking just 1.443e-14x the total energy of the blast, or about 4.58e17 J, a 7-A feat. If we decide to use EM's figure for the energy of Ego exploding anyways for some reason, then this would come out to 1.21e20 J, a 6-C level feat. Besides this, Ego just crumples around thing while hes in the brain cavity so he doesnt take the full brunt.
Summary: As seen, he needs to be amped to fight on Fixit's level, one of the weaker grey hulks which is weaker than green hulk by a non-descript amount, and at base he has trouble with heavily nerfed she-hulk and is shown consistently inferior to hulk strength wise. Also he is not comparbale to Umbra's energy absorption capabilties or Basiliks chain reacton feats. So this rating should be changed.
New AP Justification: Since thing has proven to be somewhat comparable to Namor X X X in AvX. They fought but Thing couldnt down him. He can scale from Namor who was able to support the weight of a pillar that holds up the Utopia Island and New Atlantis, which extends from below at the bottom of the ocea, for a brief period of time. This feat should yield something around the range of at least high 6-C.
Agree
RotofBots
Blitzedaken
Qawsedf234
ZERO7772
ALRF
GilgaArcuied
KuuIchigo
StrongClick
Sigurd Snake in The Eye
Disagree
Matt
Cropfist
