The Hunter (Bloodborne) vs The Hunter (EtG)

[Wokistan]

The Hunter (Bloodborne) fights The Hunter (Enter the Gungeon), as stated by the title.

8-C forms

Speed UNEQUAL

Start 30 feet apart

Bloodborne hunter starts with Bloodletter and has all hunter tools, EtG hunter has whatever

No prior knowledge or prep

SBA wincons

Bloodborne:

Gungeon:

Inconclusive: 7 (Kaltias, WeeklyBattles, Overlord775, Gargoyle One, PsychoWarper, Mr Bambu, SolidarityofFiction )

 

[Overlord775]

add The Bounty Hunter, so we can decide who is the strongest 8-C

 

[Kaltias]

Well first of all it depends if Bloodborne's Hunter keeps his memories after someone else rewind time. I don't think that EtG Hunter does.

Also, what's the AoE Bloodletter? They are relatively even in speed, but the Hunter passively slows down time while standing still, and she doesn't need to move in order to dodge thanks to the Bloodied Scarf, so it's basically a constant teleportation spam while BB Hunter has the reaction time of a snail

 

[Overlord775]

the Blood Letter AoE is this

it's pretty fast

 

[Kaltias]

Really doubt that he'll hit the Hunter with that.

For reference, this is how Bloodied Scarf + Super Hot Watch looks like.

 

[Overlord775]

Can the huntress bypass the hunter's type 8 immortality ? because if she can't, i think this match it's inconclusive

 

[Wokistan]

Says that that's fixed though, so time still starts to flow when the teleport activates.

 

[Kaltias]

When it activates yes. Time moves normally during the teleportation, but not before or after that.

My point is basically that BB Hunter needs to tag a massively faster opponent before the latter can think, because that's what if takes to dodge.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

>Massively faster

>EtG Hunter is slower

Wot?

 

[Wokistan]

Teleporting seems to have a cooldown. Also, after the first death the hunter can decide to use stuff like invis and illusory spells right off the bat, which could result in the hunter deciding to move as they don't necessarily know of anything being there that should get time slowed by them. Per SBA they're in central park as well, so there's some obstructions to vision in play as well.

 

[Kaltias]

Time slow basically works as a ridiculously good perception speed amp for EtG Hunter.

BB Hunter needs to hit her with the Bloodletter before she can think, which would already be insanely hard if her perception speed was ~ his speed.

Given that the perception speed is >>>>>>>>>> his speed, he won't tag her

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He doesnt need to tag her, he just needs to hit in the general area and the Bloodletter will mind hax her

 

[Kaltias]

Teleporting seems to have a cooldown.

0.1 seconds. Not really the kind of timeframe that you can exploit without thought based hax or a massive speed advantage.

Also, after the first death the hunter can decide to use stuff like invis and illusory spells right off the bat, which could result in the hunter deciding to move as they don't necessarily know of anything being there that should get time slowed by them. Per SBA they're in central park as well, so there's some obstructions to vision in play as well.

Then she uses the BSG/Raiden Coli to hit all of them at once.

 

[Wokistan]

Why would she just shoot if she thinks she's killed her opponent? Arbitrarily firing weapons like that seems bizarre. Also im pretty sure invis and disguised statuses negate homing in bloodborne, as the executioner gloves don't track invisible targets.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kal EtG Hunter wont know about the BB Hunter if she manages to kill them but BB Hunter will know about EtG Hunter

 

[Kaltias]

He doesnt need to tag her, he just needs to hit in the general area and the Bloodletter will mind hax her

Yes, that requires to land an attack with the Bloodletter near her. She won't let that happen when she needs a thought to be several metres away, and she has every interest in keeping the distance

 

[Kaltias]

Why would she just shoot if she thinks she's killed her opponent?

She wouldn't. She would simply shoot to kill him.

Also im pretty sure invis and disguised statuses negate homing in bloodborne, as the executioner gloves don't track invisible targets.

BSG isn't homing. It just has an AoE of various dozens of metres

 

[Wokistan]

No, I mean after hunter dies once she's got no reason to just keep shooting. He doesn't rez in the same spot, so he can use that to get the drop on her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Beast Roar is a hard counter to ranged attacks

 

[Kaltias]

You know that this goes both ways, right? If he kills her, time reset

 

[Wokistan]

That's why he bloodlets, as madness manip doesn't seem like it would proc temporal reset. If it does, he uses a shaman bone blade next time around.

 

[Overlord775]

but the Blood Letter's insanity effect would kill the EtG hunter and activate her time reset, so even if BB Hunter lands the attack, it's useless

they remain stuck in this loop of tring to kill each other for the rest of eternity

 

[Kaltias]

they remaijn stuck in this loop of tring to kill each other for the rest of eternity

^ This.

Unless you can prove that in character BB Hunter makes the opponent go insane and leaves them alive on purpose

 

[Wokistan]

Shaman bone blades don't kill, and im fairly sure that death to frenzy isn't so much an actual death as succumbing to madness being a failstate and as such treated the same as the game. Bloodborne may kill himself or something, but EtG doesn't need to and with an infinite amount of time even if EtG was doing that Bloodborne would eventually figure out to take away EtGs method to do so.

 

[Wokistan]

BB hunter never fights in cutscenes, there's not really an "in character" way of fighting. Infinite time results in them trying everything at some point anyways.

 

[Kaltias]

BB Hunter loses all the knowledge that he gathered if he kills her though. It's reset just like it happens to EtG Hunter when she kills him

 

[Wokistan]

Bloodletter may not proc the reset though. Bone blades definitely wouldn't, and given how useful they are in game trying one of those out after their first death doesn't seem too out of the question.

 

[Wokistan]

I assume you're voting inconclusive?

 

[Overlord775]

BB Hunter goes for the kill in-character, he doesn't know that the only way to win is via incapacitation

 

[Wokistan]

There's not really an "In character" fighting style, in fact a lot of people do go for avoiding enemies, or using bone blade to get the stronger ones out of the way (really helpful in the Rakuyo room).

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Just asking but... wouldn't the Hunter be unable to get back to the battlefield if killed?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, he can return very easily

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

How exactly? Doesn't his ressurection put him where he activated his last lamp?

 

[Kaltias]

@Woki

Yes, inconclusive. The point is that it isn't "two people who have infinite time to try stuff", but rather "two people fighting to the death trapped in a time loop".

Unless either of them leads with incapacitation, they'll simply keep fighting forever

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah i gotta agree with inconclusive. They'll just keep killing each other over and over again without either actually staying dead.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Um... could you answer me?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean the lamp could be located on the other side of the planet, and he would be fast enough to come back before the BFR time limit anyway

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But... this is on earth.

 

[Kaltias]

The lamps aren't on Earth?

 

[Overlord775]

But... this is on earth.

he has access to the lamps via SBA