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The guy who tanked the strongest Cut vs The strongest Cutter

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Ubel vs East Blue Buggy
Both Tier 8-A
Buggy scales/upscales to: 113.737405327 Tons
Ubel scales/upscales to: 354.327 Tons

SBA
Speed Equal
Win con is SBA or Incap for more than 5 minutes
Match Location: Syrup Village Beach
They start at the opposite side of the Canyon within the trees
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Hear me out. Ubel can still Sorganeil him. but if he scatters his body he can dodge it.

Buggy has Class G LS but only his arms and legs can probably do it. But Ubel has a higher AP via magic (but will she use magic that isn't cutting and Sorganeil?)

Ubel :
Buggy : 2 Arkansalter2, BoastJr

they both give up :



Ubel Photo is from @Lyrayne1
Buggy Photo is from @byeolboixd
 
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You definitely cooked with this Matchup. It plays super well with the interactions.

Buggy being immune to being Cut and scattering his body parts is a HUGE Advantage in the fight.

No matter how much Ubel slices this man up he is gonna reattach his body parts no sweat.

Leaning towards Buggy to incap via the power of PURE LS
 
Buggy takes this surprisingly. Obviously, Buggy is immune to cutting so that's Ubel's wincon out the window. Secondly, Sorganeil would probably not work because nothing is stopping buggy from just throwing out a hand out of her line of sight and making it useless (his body parts would prob end up being all over the place anyway when fighting). Eventually, Ubel would get tired (Athletic Stamina vs Superhuman Stamina) and get overpowered by one of Buggy's body parts and would win via incap of LS (Athletic Human VS Class G).
Buggy wins, Mid diff.
 
Isn't this a stomp? Her abilities from what i am seeing relies on cutting and piercing (piercing, i assume it's also useless against buggy?)

She gets outstamina, her abilities won't work and she also gets obliterated in LS

What exactly is her wincon here?
 
I suppose the main benefit to Buggy here less that he gets over any cut and more that he splits up his body, so given how Ubel has the worst eyesight ever there’s no way she can meet the conditions for sorganeil.

Voting Buggy unless it’s counted as a stomp ig.
 
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Ubel is a glass canon but she has the higher Ap here being more then 3 times Buggy's own Ap.

She isn't completely defenseless
And what magic can she use that isn't piercing/slashing or the Yellow string thingy where Buggy can just get out of via his DF?
 
But Ubel has a higher AP via magic (but will she use magic that isn't cutting and Sorganeil?)
She has literally never used anything but those two.
where Buggy can just get out of via his DF?
Tbh idk if he could, if he's already caught by it, he can't exactly do anything as it immobilizes him. He won't be able to split apart as he's immobile and unable to act to begin with.
But like, that's not a long term incap option, she won't be able to keep him in view for like 24h.
She is 8-A with magic, her physicals are tier 10, and her magic doesnt even works against Buggy
She has 8-A durability and physicals, idk why people say she doesn't, the caveat is she just needs mana to hit that level, but once she uses mana she's good to go, it isn't even just durability too, even Frieren can make herself physically imposing with mana like the time she crushed that one demon's head in her bare hands.

It's defensive magic (the hexagon stuff) that is way more useful against pure magic. But even that is sufficient to block physical strikes, they say as much when even talking about it, how it can negate attacks from powerful warriors and what not. It's just less so, so overwhelming it with pure mass and kinetic energy can break it because it doesn't have all those built in nullification spells that render magic useless, but it still has a innate protective property.

Though, I don't see how she can win regardless, she doesn't actually have anything to beat him as her only offensive attack is slicing, even if she knows Zoltraak she has never once used it ever.
 
She has literally never used anything but those two.

Tbh idk if he could, if he's already caught by it, he can't exactly do anything as it immobilizes him. He won't be able to split apart as he's immobile and unable to act to begin with.
But like, that's not a long term incap option, she won't be able to keep him in view for like 24h.

She has 8-A durability and physicals, idk why people say she doesn't, the caveat is she just needs mana to hit that level, but once she uses mana she's good to go, it isn't even just durability too, even Frieren can make herself physically imposing with mana like the time she crushed that one demon's head in her bare hands.

It's defensive magic (the hexagon stuff) that is way more useful against pure magic. But even that is sufficient to block physical strikes, they say as much when even talking about it, how it can negate attacks from powerful warriors and what not. It's just less so, so overwhelming it with pure mass and kinetic energy can break it because it doesn't have all those built in nullification spells that render magic useless, but it still has a innate protective property.

Though, I don't see how she can win regardless, she doesn't actually have anything to beat him as her only offensive attack is slicing, even if she knows Zoltraak she has never once used it ever.
Buggy has higher LS though, Unless her magic negates LS?
 
Buggy has higher LS though, Unless her magic negates LS?
They literally can't move at all. It has nothing to due with like being tight or whatever. The actual "bindings" don't even make contact. It just immobilizes them in whatever position they were in while also doing weird fucky mana stuff, it's more like parahax (I think that's what it's listed as actually).

LS would let him break out of Frieren's bindings, but this spell doesn't work like that.

Not that it matters tho, she literally can't kill him from what I know.
 
They literally can't move at all. It has nothing to due with like being tight or whatever. The actual "bindings" don't even make contact. It just immobilizes them in whatever position they were in while also doing weird fucky mana stuff.

LS would let him break out of Frieren's bindings, but this spell doesn't work like that.
Yeah, I noticed after re-reading your message XD
Not that it matters tho, she literally can't kill him from what I know.
Agreed here
 
Just wanna note the rules are SBA except the incap option only needs to be 5 minutes or long.

They start from opposite side of the Canyon where the trees are.

This is East Blue buggy

And iirc in the anime he didn't really reveal his DF abilities until later when fighting Luffy because at that time DF are trump cards.

That way Buggy don't get insta uncapped but at the same time he is unaware his enemy can incap him by sight.

Ubel also have no idea so usually she goes for cutting until she realize she might need to use something else.

They are still in character
 
Just wanna note the rules are SBA except the incap option only needs to be 5 minutes or long.

They start from opposite side of the Canyon where the trees are.
Yeah but that invalidates her incap option, there's so much shit in the way, she needs to have his full body in view to use it, if even some of it is out of her field of view or blocked by an obstacle (not counting clothes and shit), it can't be used as that's the rule of the magic.
This is East Blue buggy

And iirc in the anime he didn't really reveal his DF abilities until later when fighting Luffy because at that time DF are trump cards.

That way Buggy don't get insta uncapped but at the same time he is unaware his enemy can incap him by sight.
I mean maybe but
The location makes her incap option useless. And she can't actually kill him. And she would never incap and not follow up because she's ******* insane, she'd probably cut him up into little bits.

Him being aware doesn't matter, it's already set up to where she almost can't use it at all and objectively can't at the start or in 95% of combat situations.
Ubel also have no idea so usually she goes for cutting until she realize she might need to use something else.

They are still in character
Exactly, if her wincondition is "She incaps him (Impossible for the most part due to the location), and then doesn't follow up (She would never not follow up), and then just waits because she can't actually harm him, she could win". That isn't viable, I'd even wager it's a 100% chance to never happen.


But like, what is that "something else", she has NEVER used anything else. I'm not even sure why she has Zoltraak tbh, it was never shown or said she has it. I think it's just assuming because it's "basic offensive magic" but she's never use it even when it'd have been useful so... If we assume she has it, and assume she'd use it if cutting don't work, she just kinda snipes with layered duraneg beams instead which I think would just kill him?Idk I don't think that's fair to him and undermines her whole schtick.

If her only attack option is cutting, and her foe can't die from being cut, she can't win basically, at best you have a misatch on your hands if it's just "Incap".

For this to be fair, she'd essentially have to know her end goal is incap with prior knowledge, but at that point why use a character who cuts and slashes and is also a murderer and likes to mutilate (The incap spell isn't even hers, she just stole it and it's useful for enabling her to cut mfs up).

Like I get the intent, Ubel's cutting is kinda broken, so you need a character who won't just die instantly to fight her, but there needs to be a caveat there, like maybe they have regen but it's stamina based or can be overtaxed so the dude can survive the hax but she can eventually defeat them if she lands enough hits so they both have methods to win, or maybe even just regen but something like decap is enough to give her an option she'd need to adapt to (She usually slashes them in half, not chop heads off), maybe they just resist the hax and instead it's just axe vs dude so she can still fight normally she just can't instant hax win but can still use it on the enviroment to aid. Or maybe the character in question uses clones or something so she can slash, but if she can't get the right one she could be overwhelmed, or this or that. There's ways to make a decent match, but if Buggy just can't be hurt by slashing she has no real option.
 
Zoltraak would kill yeah since it targets the soul as well(despite being so basic)

She could legit win if she somehow manages to overcome her cutting only magic. She just have a extreme obsession to only using cutting magic and magic she learned from people she understood and copied their ability. Else she won't be interested on people's other kinds of magic and not copy it.

I do not think it's out of the question if she got pushed to the edge. But whether she pulls it off or not before buggy just outlast and LS incap him is up to debate
 
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