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The forgotten speed of Watagash
==Watagash Flies to Earth==
So its like the title says, Watagash flies to Earth. This happens from an unknown planet which is not one from our own solar system. In order to be conservative we will use the distance from the Earth to the nearest Solar system, Alpha Centauri. It could be, and probably is much further away than the next solar system over though.
As for time frame we don't have an exact time frame, however Jaco is expected to deliver the prisoner on his own without making pit stops, and no major events happen in DBS between the events. This implies a short trip. Furthermore in the closing of the episode Jaco is on the same planet again, repeating his mistake of stopping to eat, and talks about how it is a joyous day, referring to having caught Watagash again without anybody knowing of his mistake, implying this happens within the same day or going into the next day as Watagash is recaptured. Given all this information it is a safe, conservative estimate to say that Watagash flew to Earth, the events took place, and Jaco returned to the planet in 24 hours or less, we will use 24 hours to get a conservative number though for Watagash's one way trip.
Distance = 4.068e+16m
Time = 86400s
4.068e16/86400 = 470833333333m/s = MFTL+ (At least 1571c)
==Gohan vs Watagash Scaling==
Pretty straight forward, Gohan even in base form easily overpowered and outpaced the original robber that Watagash fused with, as well as Barry Khan in his second stage (Barry caught him off guard the first encounter). Watagash is stated to be more powerful the more darkness his host has in its heart, and virtually harmless without a host, so logically his stronger forms would scale to his weaker base form.
==DBS Gohan was weaker than DBZ Gohan==
Now here is the kicker. Watagash scaling to Gohan is a big deal because prior to the ToP, Gohan was actually weaker than he was in his Ultimate Form in the Buu saga. Even as an SSJ2 Piccolo states he still has yet to awaken the same "original" power he had in the Buu arc again, not just his Ultimate form, but the power from the Buu arc specifically. This notion is reiterated several times, and it doesn't contradict his battle with SSJB Goku and showings in ToP because Piccolo remarks that Gohan can get even stronger after achieving his "original power", and that they should train to unlock it. Therefore Gohan is in fact weaker, even as a SSJ2, than his Ultimate form was in the Buu arc. So because Watagash scales below base Gohan, whom in DBS was weaker than his old Ultimate form even as a SSJ2, who prior to his Mystic amp in the Buu saga was star level in base, those who are star level, or at the very least large star level or above in DBZ should scale to Watagash's speed feat.
The current reasonings for Gohan being 3-A prior to Piccolos training are shaky at best, and explicitly contradicted by the narrative during his training with Piccolo. Thus Gohan should be changed to the stats he had during the Buu arc prior to getting his Ultimate form between RoF arc and until prior to Piccolo's training to unlock his original power from the Super Buu battle.
==Debunking misconceptions==
1. Some claim Gohan scales to base and SSJ Goku prior to the ToP because Goku fights Gohan earlier. Context is key here. First off Goku and Gohan were having a friendly sparring match, and neither were going all out. Chi-Chi even makes them stop when things start to get intense. Its like scaling Krillin to Goku for trading with him while he held back. Furthermore Goku states to Piccolo later that Gohan should be stronger knowing his original power, again showing Gohan is not up to his original level from Buu arc.
2. Gohan spars with Piccolo earlier. Again this is a sparring match, they are not going all out, and going by the later narrative here, Piccolo feels Gohan does not posses the power he did in the Buu arc with Mystic form.
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==Watagash Flies to Earth==
So its like the title says, Watagash flies to Earth. This happens from an unknown planet which is not one from our own solar system. In order to be conservative we will use the distance from the Earth to the nearest Solar system, Alpha Centauri. It could be, and probably is much further away than the next solar system over though.
As for time frame we don't have an exact time frame, however Jaco is expected to deliver the prisoner on his own without making pit stops, and no major events happen in DBS between the events. This implies a short trip. Furthermore in the closing of the episode Jaco is on the same planet again, repeating his mistake of stopping to eat, and talks about how it is a joyous day, referring to having caught Watagash again without anybody knowing of his mistake, implying this happens within the same day or going into the next day as Watagash is recaptured. Given all this information it is a safe, conservative estimate to say that Watagash flew to Earth, the events took place, and Jaco returned to the planet in 24 hours or less, we will use 24 hours to get a conservative number though for Watagash's one way trip.
Distance = 4.068e+16m
Time = 86400s
4.068e16/86400 = 470833333333m/s = MFTL+ (At least 1571c)
==Gohan vs Watagash Scaling==
Pretty straight forward, Gohan even in base form easily overpowered and outpaced the original robber that Watagash fused with, as well as Barry Khan in his second stage (Barry caught him off guard the first encounter). Watagash is stated to be more powerful the more darkness his host has in its heart, and virtually harmless without a host, so logically his stronger forms would scale to his weaker base form.
==DBS Gohan was weaker than DBZ Gohan==
Now here is the kicker. Watagash scaling to Gohan is a big deal because prior to the ToP, Gohan was actually weaker than he was in his Ultimate Form in the Buu saga. Even as an SSJ2 Piccolo states he still has yet to awaken the same "original" power he had in the Buu arc again, not just his Ultimate form, but the power from the Buu arc specifically. This notion is reiterated several times, and it doesn't contradict his battle with SSJB Goku and showings in ToP because Piccolo remarks that Gohan can get even stronger after achieving his "original power", and that they should train to unlock it. Therefore Gohan is in fact weaker, even as a SSJ2, than his Ultimate form was in the Buu arc. So because Watagash scales below base Gohan, whom in DBS was weaker than his old Ultimate form even as a SSJ2, who prior to his Mystic amp in the Buu saga was star level in base, those who are star level, or at the very least large star level or above in DBZ should scale to Watagash's speed feat.
The current reasonings for Gohan being 3-A prior to Piccolos training are shaky at best, and explicitly contradicted by the narrative during his training with Piccolo. Thus Gohan should be changed to the stats he had during the Buu arc prior to getting his Ultimate form between RoF arc and until prior to Piccolo's training to unlock his original power from the Super Buu battle.
==Debunking misconceptions==
1. Some claim Gohan scales to base and SSJ Goku prior to the ToP because Goku fights Gohan earlier. Context is key here. First off Goku and Gohan were having a friendly sparring match, and neither were going all out. Chi-Chi even makes them stop when things start to get intense. Its like scaling Krillin to Goku for trading with him while he held back. Furthermore Goku states to Piccolo later that Gohan should be stronger knowing his original power, again showing Gohan is not up to his original level from Buu arc.
2. Gohan spars with Piccolo earlier. Again this is a sparring match, they are not going all out, and going by the later narrative here, Piccolo feels Gohan does not posses the power he did in the Buu arc with Mystic form.
I took the liberty of creating this as a blog
The Forgotten Speed of Watagash
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