The Emperor of Mankind Existence Erasure

[Zoorooz117]

Something bothered me for a while about 1-A erasure, I know TEoM can kill Horus Lupercal to point event 4 chaos gods cannot resurrect, which pretty much qualify as 1-A erasure but why Horus Hersey still exists in Warhammer 40K history? If his erasure is truly 1-A it should remove Horus from past, present, and future there shouldn't be anyone remembers Horus again isn't it? His ability likely 1-A resurrection negation more than 1-A erasure isn't it?

Here my second question, if TEoM encounters with some guy with Type 8 Immortality who will permanently resurrect as long as they exist in someone memory no matter in past, present or future, can this erasure work?

 

[MagiSinbad]

The thing is he erased Horus so hard that not even 1-A power can hope to ressurect him, hence his Erasure got 1-A rating.

For your latter question. If the said person can have a feat that can ressurect even after 1-A erasure, sure. thing end up that way in TEoM vs Reinhard Heydrich thread

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

He probably would permanently kill that person yes.

 

[Zoorooz117]

TEoM can erase Reinhard in vs match before, because of old rule which restricts Type 8, isn't it?

 

[MagiSinbad]

Yep, but when Rein's type 8 regen goes unrestricted. TEoM cant put him down for good since he cannot kill Mercurius, meanwhile, Rein can just goes "lol 1-A growt"

 

[Zoorooz117]

The problem here is TEoM 1-A erasure can kill that guy but cannot erase that guy exists in the memory of other people that why I doubt it.

Ex. Horus Lupercal still exists in the memory of other people in Warhammer 40K.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Emperor's erasure doesn't remove you from past, present and future.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It erases you from that point, but doesn't rectroactivly destroy you.

The latter is not needed for EE

 

[Zoorooz117]

• Then it means this ability is a single target and effect only in present.

• The Emperor cannot permanently kill anybody that have type 8 because he can erase that guy but cannot erase the source that a person relies on.

Then someone like Lavos should be fine too right? because even The Emperor can erase present Lavos but past and future Lavos still exist.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No..,

It does stop type 8. They exist in the paast, but they stop existing in the future and on.


I do remeber reading that the closest folowers of chaos alway hav, and alway will exist. He can still kill them withouit changing history

 

[Zoorooz117]

Then that guy from my second question should be fine because he exists still be fine in past.

Why it stop type 8? can you explain more detail.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Because it litiraly did so.

The chaos gods, beings that exist indipenednt of time, couldn't ressurect horus

 

[Zoorooz117]

Just that didn't help me to understand why it should stop type 8, just chaos gods can't it didn't mean others can't, it might be some restrictions of chaos gods or other reason that I don't know.

Can you explain in more detail?

I will go to sleep now, I will read later, thank you Ricsi.

 

[Zoorooz117]

Bump

If TEoM can stop type 8 then why The emperor cannot permanently kill Drach'nyen?

 

[Zoorooz117]

Bump

 

[Wokistan]

Drach is special. A lot of Warhammer is based on symbolism affecting reality, like how daemons are hurt more by melee weapons because the imagery of a brave knight cutting into a beast is more symbolically significant than a soldier shooting someone dead from miles away. Drach'nyen represents the first human murder and all that ever with happen, basically being the antithesis to the empire that the emprah wishes to set up. He desires a hegemony of man, a United humanity that remains stalwart against outside threats, and drach is that insidious, corrupting influence that can bring it down. Human murder is always going to be an issue that not even the emperor can deal woth, and as such all he can do it seal it away, masking the issue. This is also why it went from running away from a squad of custodes, who to be fair have individuals comparable to primsrchs, to being a real threat to the emperor himself. ADB had a post somewhere explaining this way better than I can, but on this site it just gives him busted resistances. I do kinda doubt that he had the capability to erase on a 1-A scale back then, but he was permanently killing daemons so who knows.

 

[Wokistan]

Tldr, drach is a being beyond the capability of the emperor to erase because it is the representation of a problem betond the capability of the emperor to erase. At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it works in verse.

 

[Zoorooz117]

Thank you to answer Wokistan, well basically The Emperor has 1-A EE because of chaos god cannot resurrect, despite he has that kind of EE but he still fails to erase some entity that unable to compare against the chaos god in terms of strength because that exist reliant on concepts of human murder.

Conclusion about The Emperor EE

• It targets the only 1 target.
• It didn't truly erase target exist instead it erase essence, soul, mind, etc but let body intact.
• It didn't possess retroactive erase which mean that target still exists in past.
• it cannot permanently kill exist that reliant on something.
• it can prevent 1-A entity to resurrect the target.

His EE is so weird, Do I understand correctly?

 

[Wokistan]

To be fair, drach is sorta like a mini chaos god and should be the strongest daemon besides the four main chaos God's+Malice. Minor God's of chaos exist, and Drach being one would make sense.

Now, as for your conclusions about emperor's EE:

• I don't know what this means, unless you mean he's not going to erase people who he didn't use the ability on, which is how it works by default.

• He has erased bodies before, it just didn't happen to Horus. Why this was like that is unknown, but Horus's corpse is significant to a lot of things and as such this isn't going to be retconned.

• Yes, but regenerating from a past self probably wouldn't work so well given that the warp is beyond time and the chaos Gods couldn't just bring up Horus just before erasure.

• I don't really know what this means. It can override type 8 so long as the type 8 isn't from a degree of 1-A above himself, if thay's what you're saying, because it kills the target on all levels of existence.

• Yes.

 

[Zoorooz117]

if TEoM encounters with some guy with Type 8 Immortality who will permanently resurrect as long as he exists in someone memory no matter in past, present or future, can this erasure work?

 

[Wokistan]

If it's not 1-A, I doubt it. Is there a specific character you're thinking of?

 

[Zoorooz117]

Sorry, I cannot think of a specific character that possesses that kind of ability, I just curious and make a random character that all.

 

[Wokistan]

I meant I doubt it in the sense of I doubt that they'd be able to regen, btw. Misread your comment.

 

[Zoorooz117]

I curious because of TEoM didn't erase this guy from other people memory, by his hax that can permanently resurrect as long as he exists in someone memory, by logic he should be fine right? despite his hax isn't remotely close to 1-A.

 

[Wokistan]

If the chaos God's, who can manipulate concepts, memories, laws, all that stuff, are unable to Rez Horus, despite knowing very well who he was, the other guy shouldn't be able to rez regardless of the mechanics of his. It's very potent anti Regen/ressurection.

 

[Zoorooz117]

Yes, It make sense now.

I'm done, Thank again.

 

[Wokistan]

No problem.