The Beast Vs Goblin Slayer.

[Newendigo]

The Horde kidnapps some girls, GS goes to save them thinking that is an "horde of Goblins", but finds Kevin, after chatting a bit with his personalities, the Beast manifest, and from a mere glance, GS realizes that there is gonna be some bloodshed.

Rules:

• Speed: Equal.
• Place: A factory, 4 meters of distance, 2:00 a.m.
• Victory: Win via KO or Incapacitation.

The Hero: 5 (Abs, One, Black, Hans, You)

The Villain:

A tie:

 

[Abstractions]

I don't think the Beast adds anything to what Goblin Slayer has already dealt with granted that he's able to kill Goblin Champions, meaning it's more than likely that his blade is going to do more than just pierce skin and break.

Should problems arise he can always rely on the Gate Scroll that he used to kill the Ogre.

Goblin Slayer takes this.

 

[Newendigo]

Tbf, GS is not that used against comparable opponents as the Goblins are weaker than him, and he had trouble with the Ogre and the Champion.

Actually, I dont recall him "killing Champion Goblins", he managed to get rid of one through pure strategy (I have only read the manga).

 

[Schnee_One]

GS takes this easily FRA

 

[Newendigo]

I want to know if he actually has physically killed several champions, because maybe Im not at that point of the story.

 

[Schnee_One]

He has

Regardless, he scales to a higher feat. So yeah

 

[Blackcurrant91]

I don't even see GS needing a gatescroll. Just him being a skilled swordsman giving him more range should make this a pretty easy fight.

 

[Hans0l013123897]

gs fra

 

[Newendigo]

Bump.

 

[I_am_myself_You_are_you]

Yes GB. He's very smart in terms of combat and he will use his brain to easily defeat The Beast. He has also weapons skills and the most important is he has is killing skills by attacked weaknesses.

GS FRA

 

[Newendigo]

Such a support for my boy Mcavoy...

2 votes left.

 

[Jasonsith]

The Beast's strength at least scales to a rhinoceros' charging energy at over 221,000 Joules (which is able to push large cars like The Beast).

(Crushing a human spine only yields 40,759.5938 joules.)

Breaking pillars like this Venom did takes 3,903,036.8832 Joules though. Yet someone may need to take a closer look at how the pillars are crushed by The Beast.

It seems to me like the AP gap is not that much if Gate Scroll Hydro Pump is not used.

Not voting yet.

 

[Newendigo]

Why Venom's Victory was remove? I didn't notice any drastic change.

 

[Jasonsith]

Why Venom's Victory was remove? I didn't notice any drastic change.

Therefir is responsible. Please ask him/her.

 

[Schnee_One]

It was a stomp due to regen probably

 

[Jasonsith]

Why Venom's Victory was remove? I didn't notice any drastic change.

Therefir is responsible. Please ask him/her.

It was a stomp due to regen probably

Maybe... And your vote re OP?

 

[Schnee_One]

?

 

[Jasonsith]

?

Just asking if you are voting for The Beast or Goblin Slayer.


re my previous words

(And I just watched some videos for The Beast. The Beast seems not to be destroying any pillar. He did dent some iron bars but the process is slow. So he now scales to a white rhinoceros with bulletproof suits. So likely GS stomps in AP unless someone else shows calcs for The Beast's higher AP.)

 

[Schnee_One]

How does GS stomp in AP when he scales to .71?

Baseline is .25

 

[Jasonsith]

GS is 3,500,000 J. And The Beast is 221,000 J.

3,500,000/221,000 is 15.83 > 7.5 AP/dura gap unless The Beast has other ways to lower stat gap or attack means other than AP/dura then it is a stomp per our rules.

 

[Schnee_One]

I don't see where GS scales to such a feat

 

[Jasonsith]

I don't see where GS scales to such a feat

GS's strength feat comes from here (there is a debunk attempt here but is still under revision and nothing is finalised).

The Beast's AP and durability comes from a statement that "his skin was stated to be as tough as a rhino's" and his AP is as strong as a rhino or some fierce animals contained in the zoo he worked at.

Where the AP and dura of a rhino is ~>221,000 J.

I further say he is like having bulletproof suits because "two direct shotgun blasts only grazed his skin".

 

[Schnee_One]

He scales to David, not the Rhino

 

[Jasonsith]

He scales to David, not the Rhino

David scales to The Beast.

Unless you can grab a calc that shows a direct strength feat for David. With calculations.

 

[Schnee_One]

No.

David scales to his own feat of tanking a crashing train with no damage or even a single scratch, that's on his profile.

<Grab a calc that shows a strength feat for David. With calculations

<Animalistic screeching

 

[Jasonsith]

A Toyota Corolla CVT XSE private car weighs 2885 lbs or 1311.363636 kg.

A survival from being run over or crashed into a wall by this car at 45 mph (or 20.1168 m/s) only yields 0.5 x 1311.363636 x (20.1168)^2 = 265,345.0177 J (Wall Level). An upgrade from the rhino scaling, but not too far.

For the train crash survival feat... it cannot be determined whether David Dunn took the full damage from the train crash (Mr. Glass did plot that collision though).

 

[Schnee_One]

If every single person on his train died but him I am pretty sure he should have taken the full force

 

[Newendigo]

GS also got nearly killed by the Champion, so his Dura is likely lower.

 

[Abstractions]

GS also got nearly killed by the Champion, so his Dura is likely lower.

His durability will be as high as his potency as that is the requirement of him not breaking his bones when he physically attacks.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

To be fair the Beast's durability is > than their AP/SS, as them and Dunn couldn't really physically harm the other even with immense effort without exploiting weaknesses.

I honestly don't see any wincons for the Beast though as even in the worst situation for the Goblin Slayer he just pulls out the portal scroll and one-shots via the ocean.

 

[Schnee_One]

I see....

Death it is

 

[Newendigo]

Read the OP.

Is vía KO or Incap, death is not allowed.

 

[Jasonsith]

Read the OP.

Is vía KO or Incap, death is not allowed.

So the case of killing the opponent would lead to a draw?

Or as long as one combatant is incapacitated or knocked out it is the victory for the opponent even if the incapacitated combatant died a few seconds afterwards?

 

[Newendigo]

It would lead to a draw, yes.

 

[Jasonsith]

So the case of killing the opponent would lead to a draw?

Or as long as one combatant is incapacitated or knocked out it is the victory for the opponent even if the incapacitated combatant died a few seconds afterwards?

It would lead to a draw, yes.

What even an odd idea to start with. I am afraid the admins and bureaucrats would not allow this be added in entirety.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, you can't restrict death as a wincon and then add the match to profiles.

 

[Newendigo]

How so?

Is now obligatory use death as a wincon instead of the other victory methods?

 

[Jasonsith]

How so?

Is now obligatory use death as a wincon instead of the other victory methods?

It is not obligatory to use death as a winning condition. But counting a death of the opponent as a draw just sounds weird and illogical and will not make the match addable as a notable match. Of course if it is just a friendly match then it is another case as both sides would scalingly control their AP and dura and other powers and abilities.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

There are many victory conditions under Standard Battle Assumptions other than death. However restricting death as a wincon makes the matches unrealistic for various fighters, especially people like Gobbo Slayer and the Beast who kill without hesitation.

Nothing is stopping you from doing it; you just can't add the battles.

 

[Jasonsith]

Bump?

 

[Newendigo]

So I just allow death.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Goblin Slayer stomps, I think

 

[Newendigo]

In what?

Strength must be similar.

Outskill is not an escuse.

And afaik the GS was oneoff thing. R

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Strength isn't very similar, though. The Beast's best feats are like 10x lower than stuff Goblin Slayer has defeated.

Is sort of is, though. The Beast wins all his fights with brute force. No way in heck is he touching someone with superior strength and master swordsmanship + bows, swords and armor. Not to mention healing potions being a thing.

And then there's just Gobbo Slayer just dumping the ocean on him assuming the Beast can somehow get past the above two points.

 

[Schnee_One]

10x?

Stomp indeed

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yeah, this is kind of like if goblin slayer had to fight a version of himself with no equipment lol....

 

[Newendigo]

Said 10x feat put GS in a dead stated, and he did not killed the champio.

Since when he ever defeated someone like the champion, physically?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Said 10x feat put GS in a dead stated, and he did not killed the champio.
Since when he ever defeated someone like the champion, physically?

He takes hits from it and doesn't instantly die, for one.

Gobbo still stomps even if he backscales from that feat.

 

[Jasonsith]

So unless someone can truly calibrate The Beast's table daggering feat and train surviving feat, this is 10x+ AP stomp

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

The Train feat is David Dunn, who the Beast couldn't even really harm.

 

[Schnee_One]

He actually was cracking his bones beat the beginning of the movie

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That doesn't really add up, considering that doesn't happen when he lands direct hits later as they fight.

 

[Schnee_One]

A punch has direct force to it yes, but the energy dispersed throughout the body, plus it's only a brief strike

A sumo grab is literally constant pressure.

Plus, he still was suffocating the dude just by wrapping his hands around his neck.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I suppose, yeah.

Since we don't really have any reference for the train feat, though, this is still pretty much an AP stomp.

 

[Schnee_One]

Indeed

Kill it

 

[Dargoo_Faust]