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Immortality type 1
Devil Gene users should get this, Devil Kazuya has it in his bio stated his age has an infinity symbol and there isnt a reason to say Devil Jin or Devil Kazumi, etc arent the same in that regard, especially when former was stated is half of Devil Kazuya before, to be noted, this only applies for devil forms, so none of their human self get this
Unblockables
In the games, there is something called unblockable, which is a move characters do and cant be blocked unlike their other moves, majority of them as it can be seen is done via using their ki for it, even in the netflix anime its shown happening by various characters, so whats this suppose to be as an ability? Given their nature is basically one of their moves charged with Ki which does big damage when landing, this should be counted as damage boost and fall under the universal abilities of the verse as addition
Characters scaling
This one is gonna fix the poorly and horribly indexed changes during the non sensical foolishness performed from the "Massive tekken downgrades/upgrades" threads not only by its creator, but also a few certain invidividuals that were involved in some of these passing without care of the scaling
1) Ogre
Currently the character is rated tier 8, precisely city block, despite the fact this character has scaling to Paul and Jin respectively, two characters which atm are mountain level and claiming in the aformentioned threads just because he didnt show up in the current game due to being dead, in order to get scaling
This is not only a shitty argument for lack of any word to describe it any nicer, but also ignorant, Ogre canonically beaten characters like Baek and King I, characters that are mid tiers of the verse, mid tiers which are also rated as mountain level on their profiles
The netflix anime also further shows better how powerful he is, by giving Jin a good battle in his normal form, as True Ogre as seen here (only footage of fighting others i could find on youtube) has Ogre overwhelm Jin, take blows from Hwoarang (his rival and near equal), Paul himself and Xiaoyu (mid tier), then taking out the first two in a swipe and choking the latter, further shown afterwards to be matched only when Jin uses the devil gene power without transforming (red glowing eyes) which provides an amp, even injuring that Jin and taking an heavy beating before finally getting killed by him
On top of that Devil Within has True Ogre fight Jin and it says this, later one at the end of Devil Within, we are told this when he fights Monstruous Ogre
He is regarded in the series as a powerful character that attacked others from the cast in lore, yet gets rated lower then about everyone in the verse on his profile under the premise he didnt show up in the modern games? Thats not how scaling works and the gap between his death and recent game is 3 years only and nothing indicates a power gap occured to the degree to be rated below majority
2)Kazumi/Devil Kazumi
Yet another character rated as tier 8 under more or less similar reasons as Ogre, despite the fact that Heihachi considered her a rival, along their fight, in human form she manages to land a couple of hits on him and perform decent on him, as a Devil she makes him to catch his breath after landing his super on her, but gets up fast, takes a hit in the abdomen, gets up again and attacks him, till she finally dies by his hand, under what premise is she city block fighting a character that is mountain level and does pretty well too
Another reason was that she fights a younger Heihachi whom isnt as powerful as the one from present, which has no relevance when even this Heihachi scales to those like Feng and Miguel, former rated tier 7 with a profile, latter being comparable to Jin, also here he faces Jinpachi, by comparison Kazumi did better then these characters overall, clearly she scales to Heihachi, yet these showings were ignored for not following the vibes of a user?
3) Gun Jack, Jack 4, Jack 5, Jack 6
This one is even more horrible, first of all Gun Jack is rated small city only with forcefield from just cuz there is an alternate ending dubbed as a bad ending, in which he "supposedly" dies to the feat in question, which is just the normal good ending, cut away from a certain point
To adress all points used back then in the threads which werent being properly analyzed at all by the opposition:
a) Jack 2 dies to the satellite in question Gun Jack deals with, under what premise the next gen of Jack is gonna be now just as weak as his previous gen to die to the same satellite? Jack robots are made to be improvements over the ones before them each game, so why would Gun Jack be designed on the same level of power to die to the same thing
b) he holds Jane with him on the shoulder, the one making the jacks from this point on for future games, due to her he has to use a forcefield, to protect her, not to tank the satellite beam with it, and him covering her body by himself wasnt gonna help in any manner to keep her alive when the feat had big AoE
c) the bad ending is utterly irrelevant in here as its non canon and the good ending is shown in a flashback and from the talks above, Gun Jack scales to the feat physically and same goes for Jack 4, Jack 5 and Jack 6
d) his scaling to Feng is not only outdated, but wrong anyway, Raven a high tier of the verse like Feng, one shot blitzes a Jack 4 and even a Jack 6 gets beaten by Alisa, a mid tier of the verse, although he fairs good against her, so the city block, at most mountain level has to disappear and change to her rating she has, aka mountain level directly, not whatever was slapped to his profile as of now
Point is anyway, no way is Gun Jack, let alone even Jack 6, scaling to high tiers of the verse, only Jack 7 does from scaling to a high tier here, King, whom is comparable to Paul and Jin
There would be far more to talk about the Jack robots scaling and power progression between each generation, but that is gonna be saved for a verse wide revisions of the verse, but for now this is the only changes to them to be done
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus (Staff)
Disagree:
Immortality type 1
Devil Gene users should get this, Devil Kazuya has it in his bio stated his age has an infinity symbol and there isnt a reason to say Devil Jin or Devil Kazumi, etc arent the same in that regard, especially when former was stated is half of Devil Kazuya before, to be noted, this only applies for devil forms, so none of their human self get this
Unblockables
In the games, there is something called unblockable, which is a move characters do and cant be blocked unlike their other moves, majority of them as it can be seen is done via using their ki for it, even in the netflix anime its shown happening by various characters, so whats this suppose to be as an ability? Given their nature is basically one of their moves charged with Ki which does big damage when landing, this should be counted as damage boost and fall under the universal abilities of the verse as addition
Characters scaling
This one is gonna fix the poorly and horribly indexed changes during the non sensical foolishness performed from the "Massive tekken downgrades/upgrades" threads not only by its creator, but also a few certain invidividuals that were involved in some of these passing without care of the scaling
1) Ogre
Currently the character is rated tier 8, precisely city block, despite the fact this character has scaling to Paul and Jin respectively, two characters which atm are mountain level and claiming in the aformentioned threads just because he didnt show up in the current game due to being dead, in order to get scaling
This is not only a shitty argument for lack of any word to describe it any nicer, but also ignorant, Ogre canonically beaten characters like Baek and King I, characters that are mid tiers of the verse, mid tiers which are also rated as mountain level on their profiles
The netflix anime also further shows better how powerful he is, by giving Jin a good battle in his normal form, as True Ogre as seen here (only footage of fighting others i could find on youtube) has Ogre overwhelm Jin, take blows from Hwoarang (his rival and near equal), Paul himself and Xiaoyu (mid tier), then taking out the first two in a swipe and choking the latter, further shown afterwards to be matched only when Jin uses the devil gene power without transforming (red glowing eyes) which provides an amp, even injuring that Jin and taking an heavy beating before finally getting killed by him
On top of that Devil Within has True Ogre fight Jin and it says this, later one at the end of Devil Within, we are told this when he fights Monstruous Ogre
He is regarded in the series as a powerful character that attacked others from the cast in lore, yet gets rated lower then about everyone in the verse on his profile under the premise he didnt show up in the modern games? Thats not how scaling works and the gap between his death and recent game is 3 years only and nothing indicates a power gap occured to the degree to be rated below majority
2)Kazumi/Devil Kazumi
Yet another character rated as tier 8 under more or less similar reasons as Ogre, despite the fact that Heihachi considered her a rival, along their fight, in human form she manages to land a couple of hits on him and perform decent on him, as a Devil she makes him to catch his breath after landing his super on her, but gets up fast, takes a hit in the abdomen, gets up again and attacks him, till she finally dies by his hand, under what premise is she city block fighting a character that is mountain level and does pretty well too
Another reason was that she fights a younger Heihachi whom isnt as powerful as the one from present, which has no relevance when even this Heihachi scales to those like Feng and Miguel, former rated tier 7 with a profile, latter being comparable to Jin, also here he faces Jinpachi, by comparison Kazumi did better then these characters overall, clearly she scales to Heihachi, yet these showings were ignored for not following the vibes of a user?
3) Gun Jack, Jack 4, Jack 5, Jack 6
This one is even more horrible, first of all Gun Jack is rated small city only with forcefield from just cuz there is an alternate ending dubbed as a bad ending, in which he "supposedly" dies to the feat in question, which is just the normal good ending, cut away from a certain point
To adress all points used back then in the threads which werent being properly analyzed at all by the opposition:
a) Jack 2 dies to the satellite in question Gun Jack deals with, under what premise the next gen of Jack is gonna be now just as weak as his previous gen to die to the same satellite? Jack robots are made to be improvements over the ones before them each game, so why would Gun Jack be designed on the same level of power to die to the same thing
b) he holds Jane with him on the shoulder, the one making the jacks from this point on for future games, due to her he has to use a forcefield, to protect her, not to tank the satellite beam with it, and him covering her body by himself wasnt gonna help in any manner to keep her alive when the feat had big AoE
c) the bad ending is utterly irrelevant in here as its non canon and the good ending is shown in a flashback and from the talks above, Gun Jack scales to the feat physically and same goes for Jack 4, Jack 5 and Jack 6
d) his scaling to Feng is not only outdated, but wrong anyway, Raven a high tier of the verse like Feng, one shot blitzes a Jack 4 and even a Jack 6 gets beaten by Alisa, a mid tier of the verse, although he fairs good against her, so the city block, at most mountain level has to disappear and change to her rating she has, aka mountain level directly, not whatever was slapped to his profile as of now
Point is anyway, no way is Gun Jack, let alone even Jack 6, scaling to high tiers of the verse, only Jack 7 does from scaling to a high tier here, King, whom is comparable to Paul and Jin
There would be far more to talk about the Jack robots scaling and power progression between each generation, but that is gonna be saved for a verse wide revisions of the verse, but for now this is the only changes to them to be done
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus (Staff)
Disagree:
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