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This CRT will be focused on a particular phrase I've heard used throughout the Mario franchise and I just can't write it off as coincidence. This might impact the profiles somewhat in many ways but what I'm gonna be talking about is the fact that there's a general phrase/term thrown around a lot in relation to the amps or power certain objects or people hold, and it's consistent throughout many parts of the franchise.
I'm talking about "The Power of the Stars"
Super Mario 64
As far as I'm aware, this is the first time "power of the stars" is mentioned. Koopa the Quick says it when pontificating if Mario's got faster because of the power of the stars, and Bowser later on says it when claiming it has failed him. This is proof Mario and Bowser both had this "power of the stars"
In this game it's pretty clear the Power Stars are what granted this. Don't think that requires explanation.
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Giant Bowser will state that he has acquired the "power of the stars" in his introduction before he takes Peach and flies away.
Lumas you meet to pursue him will flat-out state that the Young Master Luma can grant Mario the "power of the stars" and then go on to say they can help a little too before transforming into the launch stars that send you into space.
This means that certain Lumas can grant "the power of the stars" just like Power Stars and Grand Stars can, showing it's not just the Power Stars that grant this power. Yes, Lumas can become Power Stars, but one would think an ability that comes from your evolution wouldn't be an ability you also share in base. Young Master Luma never becomes anything in the sequel either and he's notably seen as even younger than the rest. This Luma is notably treated differently to the one in Galaxy 1 so this does not support that Luma having this "power of the stars".
Previously, it was argued that the "power of the stars" mentioned here meant only spaceflight. While this is true contextually for Galaxy 1 (minus the fact Rosalina never explicitly said Luma or Power Stars granted the "power of the stars"), it's clearly evident that he's not referring to the ability to traverse space here, especially since the regular Lumas don't talk about having the "power of the stars" and will enable space travel themselves as well as the fact Bowser in this game clearly had an amp from the Grand Stars as well as the fact we know he absorbed the Comet Observatory's energy which was powered by 7 Grand Stars and 114 Power Stars. Also, consistently within the franchise "power of the stars" seems to refer to actual physical/magical power, which you'll see with my next examples
TTYD Crystal Star Lore Translations
Okay, so basically, there's an NPC in Rogueport that will tell you little short excerpts of the Crystal Star's and Shadow Queen's lore.
For one of the stories, his dialogue in Japanese can be seen here
1.) "In order for the demons to further increase their strength..."
2.) "...they collected the power of the stars that fell from the heavens and turned them into jewelry, creating the Star Stones."
3.) "The demons spread these Star Stones all across the world, and with their power, they ruled the world."
I excluded the fourth because it's basically irrelevant.
Notice any particular wording there? Yep. Power of the stars. Stars can grant power, they use that power to create the Star Stones, or Crystal Stars for English-speakers, which would thereby imply these Star Stones were imbued with this collected power of the stars.
But there's even more.
In the Palace of Shadow, there exists a place where you can read multiple text on the walls that will help you solve the puzzles related to the 8 different rooms. Included on these plaques, however, are random excerpts that actually are part of a whole statement which even further talks about the relation between the demons and the Stars.
Here are the English localizations of all the lines.
Each is an independent line in riddles, and they're a bit out of order. Here they are correctly:
天より おつる 星のかがやき
天のことわりをしり
星の ことわりを しり
ワザを もって 石に やどす
星のチカラが やどりし
石を ７つ すべてを つくりしは
おお いだいなる われらが
ヤミと カゲの あるじよ
"The shine of the stars falling from the heavens
We know the truth of the heavens
know the truth of the stars
and use our power to bind it in stones
Those who made the 7
stones housing the power of the stars
are we, the great ones
the masters of darkness and shadows"
Another direct example of "power of the stars" being mentioned, this time saying that yes, these stones WERE imbued with the power of the stars.
Mario Party
In DS there's a pretty direct statement before fighting a boss that your character uses the "power of the Stars" to enable them to fight the gargantuan threat. These Stars are notably not called Power Stars at all across the entirety of the Mario Party series. For all intents and purposes, these are treated as their own thing. Many Star items exists in the Marioverse and quite a few loom similar, all provide glows, and almost all provide amps, so functionally they are all similar and I wouldn't use that as a justification for these being Power Stars.
In Mario Party 6 Mario brings up using the "power of the Stars" to try and quell the feud between Twila and Brighton. Might also be implying the Stars have purification. Stars are consistently seen as heavenly so it'd make sense.
Drawing Conclusions
It seems to me that "The Power of the Stars" is a universal amp granted by Stars, and it has specifcally only been said when characters have used itrms related to stars which do indeed amp them. That seems consistent enough to warrant a rating.
What would this rating be? Given the fact the power of the stars can counter each other, as proven in 64 and Galaxy, it would scale up from the Grand Star's and Power Star's feats within those games, whatever those may be. Currently the highest feat is a Grand Star being able to create a galaxy and destroy one.
We could likely go higher though. Many will bring up that it was not only the Grand Star but the Luma's doings that helped caused the reset seen at the end of Galaxy. However, going by Galaxy 2's example, the Lumas strongly imply they are not as helpful as Young Master Luma is with the power of the stars, showing a blatant hierarchy in power between Lumas. This means that one with the power of the stars is > a regular Luma, whom have the ability to become planets and galaxies and even Power Stars themselves. The ending of Galaxy had multiple Lumas cause an at least 3-B event, as it reached members of other galaxies such as Gearmos, Bees, and even Bowser and Jr. who were in a galaxy that required the most Star Power to reach, and Star Power as was said by Rosalina and her Luma Companion is what determines how far you can travel, and the numbers of Stars required to get to the galaxies represents distance. We know they were effected because of the fact they end up on Mario's planet in the ending, which should be galaxies away from where they were orginally.
We know that Grand Stars scale above regular Power Stars. Grand Stars and a plethora of Power Star energy were boosting Bowser by the time you have your last confrontstion. Multiple Lumas who can become Power Stars and Galaxies (which Grand Stars can also allegedly create) were shown to perform the 3-B feat. Lumas are likely inferior to Grand Stars, only a very select few can become Power Stars likely meaning it requires more energy, and the very fact it needed that many Lumas in order to cancel it out proves that a Grand Star's energy is >>>> a single Luma, as they needed dozens upons dozens (and maybe even their entire species if you choose to interpret it that way) in order to cancel out the black hole a single Grand Star created. And no, it just being a regular supernova would not have warranted that many Lumas who can become entire galaxies needing to sacrifice themselves. Does this make sense? I hope so.
I'll just leave out the fact the Map in Galaxy 1 says "Universe Map" and Bowser's location was the farthest away canonically and is practically at the edge of the universe map as well as multiple sources and the game itself talking of the entire universe as a whole as well as the fact the trial galaxies at the edges of the universe are also listed in similar positions to Bowser's, being on the edges of the map. But no, I guess we can't say the entire universe was effected despite all of this
So yeah, I say the Grand Stars and those gifted the Power of the Stars should get a possibly 3-B rating added to their profiles.
If the Power of the Stars thing is rejected as a whole for whatever reasoning in spite of how consistent it's been, then only Grand Stars and people comparable to them would get the 3-B rating since the scaling is clear as day:
Dozens-billions of Lumas who can become galaxies and Power Stars rarely making a reset which effects multiple galaxies including ones canonically farthest from each other ~= A single Grand Star's energy making a black hole
Giant Bowser with Grand Star collecting the energies from many Grand Stars and Power Stars from Rosalina and her ship >>> a Single Grand Star's AP via simple logic. Lubba even implies Bowser has been absorbing things the entire time which would explain the reason why despite only ever absorbing a single Grand Star on-screen, he's canonically said to have gotten stronger and given Mario more issues with each passing fight.
*Actually I've found some new evidence that may suggest the blast did affect the entirety of the universe.
As we should all be aware of by now, the Trial Galaxies are located on the "edges(ENG)/ends(JPN) of the universe." We're completely accepting of that fact, right? We also are aware that the individuals in galaxies from far away end up on your home planet, right? This is acknowledged and true.
Now, what if I told you that in the Grand Finale Galaxy, a Galaxy that's unlocked only after 100% completion, you get to celebrate the Star Festival with the new inhabitants of your world, and among these inhabitants is none other than Bill Board.
Yes, a talking signpost is what might verify the blast being universal.
Let me explain:
Throughout the game, Bill Board reappears throughout the levels, always announcing his name so you're reminded which one of the Boards he is. With me so far? Okay.
Here he is in the Rolling Gizmo Galaxy which is one of the Trial Galaxies taking place at the edges/ends of the universe
And here he is again, at the end of the game, at the "Grand Finale Galaxy", which is Earth
This is rather explicitly after the reset because the NPCs that aren't native are both existing there as well as in awe and Bill Board here even compliments Mario's world.
Given it's the same sentient sign and that it makes no sense for him to suddenly occupy closer galaxies when existing in a Galaxy at the edge of the universe last (which we know because there's a running gag of him not remembering Mario with each appearance that continues even in Rolling Gizmo but stops with Grand Finale where he seems to finally have finally remembered), it's safe to say the blast reached out far enough to reset him as well, and given it's at the ends of the universe I'm gonna doubt it's any less than universal.
So yeah, I'm gonna bring up potential Uni scaling for the Grand Stars again, as the Lumas had to sacrifice a ton of them in order to cancel the effects of it's power -- same reasoning as 3-B, except now we know or at least have a great implication it reached the ends of the universe.
And for those certain individuals, If you want to give me the "but how do we know he used all that power?" argument then please explain to me why Bowser would be absorbing more power from the Stars if he doesn't already have the full extent of a single Grand Star? Why would he grow in size and claim he has gained power and loses that power when defeated? If we don't know how much energy he can take from Grand Stars then clearly the Reactor feat was just casual and not almost all of their power he used? It's also clear as day that the Grand Star is far superior to a single Luma or Power Star so why wouldn't their casual power still show proof of this tier? Rosalina herself even says that they had their Star Power taken from them when she speaks to you after you beat Bowser, and we clearly see him taking that power before you enter his level. Why would she bring this up if it wasn't a signifcant amount of energy he was taking? Notice how she said "when that monster took..."? Not when he was taking, or taken, or anything like that. She directly confirms he took their Star Power. Lubba also implies that Power Stars weren't the only things getting eaten up as well, which shows he WAS eating Power Stars as well. Why wouldn't he use the power he's taking when he's literally using it to make himself grow bigger and thusly more powerful? Do you see how many questions arise when you presume for no good reason he arbitrarily can't use the power he's taking from others? Hell, the ending shows Bowser is super tiny as well, showing that he also gave up some of his own energy in that final encounter and has grown (haha) extremely weak after losing it all. How is this not also more proof he was giving it his all? He consistently shrinks when he loses his power, but never as much as that, so what other explanation could there be?
I'd also like to bring up Star Power, which has been used in games in conjunction with the power of the stars and how it is also consistent.
Mario was granted a mysterious power by the Map, which we later see is the ability to ise Special Moves, which run on Star Power. So basically what happened is the Map granted him Star Power.
In summation
- The Power of the Stars gets it's own special profile for it's consistent mentions across the series, even when referring to objects that aren't Power Stars. It receives upscaling from all the feats and P&A of the Power Stars, Grand Stars, Stars as seen in Mario Party, and even the Crystal Stars/Star Stones. This would also make people happy with how we treat the scaling between base and Power Star users, as it would show a canonical, universal power that was granted in those times.
- Notable users of the Power of the Stars will receive a 3-B rating due to a single Grand Star being qualitatively superior to many Lumas (which can become Galaxies and Power Stars rarely), as clearly shown by the Lumas needing dozens upon dozens at the least to at most their entire race in order to cancel out the black hole just one Grand Star's energy helped create, with their resulting efforts creating a blast that destroyed and recreated the surrounding galaxies, which can be clearly observed from how the blast orignated in a place that required the most Power Stars to travel to while other Galaxies required less to travel to and we see the Earth was also part of it which is where you are located for most of the game. It's extremely evident the feat is at least 3-B and the Grand Stars would scale. An entire race banding together to halt the result of your power would make you superior to most of that race and equal or at least comparable to their combined power. The Power of the Stars was granted to Bowser having absorbed a Grand Star, so it would naturally scale as well.
- 3-B should be considered for the Grand Stars for the Reactor feat being the only reliable feat and form of scaling they have. Even if it's just "possibly 3-B'
- Adding the "As a Group" key for the Lumas for banding together to nullify the black hole caused by the Reactor and in the process resetting the space-time of a Galaxy
- Downgrading Lumas to 4-A due to the fact it took many just to counter the power of a 3-C feat and due to them still being able to qualify as "galaxies" if they're small galaxies which would be 4-A.
- Grand Stars would scale to universal destruction and recreation due to evidence the blast affected an NPC that was at the galaxies on the ends of the universe
- Removal of 3-C (Galaxy level) for the Power Stars and scaling to Lumas, as a Power Star would require less Star Bits (the energy source Hungry Lumas use to become planets and galaxies) than a Grand Star and Galaxy to make. Even with the planets hungry Lumas create they also create Power Stars with them and a Power Star in a Galaxy too, therefore a Power Star can't be attributing to most of that energy
Agree: ( )
Remember to be civil and discuss away.
I'm talking about "The Power of the Stars"
Super Mario 64
As far as I'm aware, this is the first time "power of the stars" is mentioned. Koopa the Quick says it when pontificating if Mario's got faster because of the power of the stars, and Bowser later on says it when claiming it has failed him. This is proof Mario and Bowser both had this "power of the stars"
In this game it's pretty clear the Power Stars are what granted this. Don't think that requires explanation.
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Giant Bowser will state that he has acquired the "power of the stars" in his introduction before he takes Peach and flies away.
Lumas you meet to pursue him will flat-out state that the Young Master Luma can grant Mario the "power of the stars" and then go on to say they can help a little too before transforming into the launch stars that send you into space.
This means that certain Lumas can grant "the power of the stars" just like Power Stars and Grand Stars can, showing it's not just the Power Stars that grant this power. Yes, Lumas can become Power Stars, but one would think an ability that comes from your evolution wouldn't be an ability you also share in base. Young Master Luma never becomes anything in the sequel either and he's notably seen as even younger than the rest. This Luma is notably treated differently to the one in Galaxy 1 so this does not support that Luma having this "power of the stars".
Previously, it was argued that the "power of the stars" mentioned here meant only spaceflight. While this is true contextually for Galaxy 1 (minus the fact Rosalina never explicitly said Luma or Power Stars granted the "power of the stars"), it's clearly evident that he's not referring to the ability to traverse space here, especially since the regular Lumas don't talk about having the "power of the stars" and will enable space travel themselves as well as the fact Bowser in this game clearly had an amp from the Grand Stars as well as the fact we know he absorbed the Comet Observatory's energy which was powered by 7 Grand Stars and 114 Power Stars. Also, consistently within the franchise "power of the stars" seems to refer to actual physical/magical power, which you'll see with my next examples
TTYD Crystal Star Lore Translations
Okay, so basically, there's an NPC in Rogueport that will tell you little short excerpts of the Crystal Star's and Shadow Queen's lore.
For one of the stories, his dialogue in Japanese can be seen here
1.) "In order for the demons to further increase their strength..."
2.) "...they collected the power of the stars that fell from the heavens and turned them into jewelry, creating the Star Stones."
3.) "The demons spread these Star Stones all across the world, and with their power, they ruled the world."
I excluded the fourth because it's basically irrelevant.
Notice any particular wording there? Yep. Power of the stars. Stars can grant power, they use that power to create the Star Stones, or Crystal Stars for English-speakers, which would thereby imply these Star Stones were imbued with this collected power of the stars.
But there's even more.
In the Palace of Shadow, there exists a place where you can read multiple text on the walls that will help you solve the puzzles related to the 8 different rooms. Included on these plaques, however, are random excerpts that actually are part of a whole statement which even further talks about the relation between the demons and the Stars.
Here are the English localizations of all the lines.
Each is an independent line in riddles, and they're a bit out of order. Here they are correctly:
天より おつる 星のかがやき
天のことわりをしり
星の ことわりを しり
ワザを もって 石に やどす
星のチカラが やどりし
石を ７つ すべてを つくりしは
おお いだいなる われらが
ヤミと カゲの あるじよ
"The shine of the stars falling from the heavens
We know the truth of the heavens
know the truth of the stars
and use our power to bind it in stones
Those who made the 7
stones housing the power of the stars
are we, the great ones
the masters of darkness and shadows"
Another direct example of "power of the stars" being mentioned, this time saying that yes, these stones WERE imbued with the power of the stars.
Mario Party
In DS there's a pretty direct statement before fighting a boss that your character uses the "power of the Stars" to enable them to fight the gargantuan threat. These Stars are notably not called Power Stars at all across the entirety of the Mario Party series. For all intents and purposes, these are treated as their own thing. Many Star items exists in the Marioverse and quite a few loom similar, all provide glows, and almost all provide amps, so functionally they are all similar and I wouldn't use that as a justification for these being Power Stars.
In Mario Party 6 Mario brings up using the "power of the Stars" to try and quell the feud between Twila and Brighton. Might also be implying the Stars have purification. Stars are consistently seen as heavenly so it'd make sense.
Drawing Conclusions
It seems to me that "The Power of the Stars" is a universal amp granted by Stars, and it has specifcally only been said when characters have used itrms related to stars which do indeed amp them. That seems consistent enough to warrant a rating.
What would this rating be? Given the fact the power of the stars can counter each other, as proven in 64 and Galaxy, it would scale up from the Grand Star's and Power Star's feats within those games, whatever those may be. Currently the highest feat is a Grand Star being able to create a galaxy and destroy one.
We could likely go higher though. Many will bring up that it was not only the Grand Star but the Luma's doings that helped caused the reset seen at the end of Galaxy. However, going by Galaxy 2's example, the Lumas strongly imply they are not as helpful as Young Master Luma is with the power of the stars, showing a blatant hierarchy in power between Lumas. This means that one with the power of the stars is > a regular Luma, whom have the ability to become planets and galaxies and even Power Stars themselves. The ending of Galaxy had multiple Lumas cause an at least 3-B event, as it reached members of other galaxies such as Gearmos, Bees, and even Bowser and Jr. who were in a galaxy that required the most Star Power to reach, and Star Power as was said by Rosalina and her Luma Companion is what determines how far you can travel, and the numbers of Stars required to get to the galaxies represents distance. We know they were effected because of the fact they end up on Mario's planet in the ending, which should be galaxies away from where they were orginally.
We know that Grand Stars scale above regular Power Stars. Grand Stars and a plethora of Power Star energy were boosting Bowser by the time you have your last confrontstion. Multiple Lumas who can become Power Stars and Galaxies (which Grand Stars can also allegedly create) were shown to perform the 3-B feat. Lumas are likely inferior to Grand Stars, only a very select few can become Power Stars likely meaning it requires more energy, and the very fact it needed that many Lumas in order to cancel it out proves that a Grand Star's energy is >>>> a single Luma, as they needed dozens upons dozens (and maybe even their entire species if you choose to interpret it that way) in order to cancel out the black hole a single Grand Star created. And no, it just being a regular supernova would not have warranted that many Lumas who can become entire galaxies needing to sacrifice themselves. Does this make sense? I hope so.
So yeah, I say the Grand Stars and those gifted the Power of the Stars should get a possibly 3-B rating added to their profiles.
If the Power of the Stars thing is rejected as a whole for whatever reasoning in spite of how consistent it's been, then only Grand Stars and people comparable to them would get the 3-B rating since the scaling is clear as day:
Dozens-billions of Lumas who can become galaxies and Power Stars rarely making a reset which effects multiple galaxies including ones canonically farthest from each other ~= A single Grand Star's energy making a black hole
Giant Bowser with Grand Star collecting the energies from many Grand Stars and Power Stars from Rosalina and her ship >>> a Single Grand Star's AP via simple logic. Lubba even implies Bowser has been absorbing things the entire time which would explain the reason why despite only ever absorbing a single Grand Star on-screen, he's canonically said to have gotten stronger and given Mario more issues with each passing fight.
*Actually I've found some new evidence that may suggest the blast did affect the entirety of the universe.
As we should all be aware of by now, the Trial Galaxies are located on the "edges(ENG)/ends(JPN) of the universe." We're completely accepting of that fact, right? We also are aware that the individuals in galaxies from far away end up on your home planet, right? This is acknowledged and true.
Now, what if I told you that in the Grand Finale Galaxy, a Galaxy that's unlocked only after 100% completion, you get to celebrate the Star Festival with the new inhabitants of your world, and among these inhabitants is none other than Bill Board.
Yes, a talking signpost is what might verify the blast being universal.
Let me explain:
Throughout the game, Bill Board reappears throughout the levels, always announcing his name so you're reminded which one of the Boards he is. With me so far? Okay.
Here he is in the Rolling Gizmo Galaxy which is one of the Trial Galaxies taking place at the edges/ends of the universe
And here he is again, at the end of the game, at the "Grand Finale Galaxy", which is Earth
This is rather explicitly after the reset because the NPCs that aren't native are both existing there as well as in awe and Bill Board here even compliments Mario's world.
Given it's the same sentient sign and that it makes no sense for him to suddenly occupy closer galaxies when existing in a Galaxy at the edge of the universe last (which we know because there's a running gag of him not remembering Mario with each appearance that continues even in Rolling Gizmo but stops with Grand Finale where he seems to finally have finally remembered), it's safe to say the blast reached out far enough to reset him as well, and given it's at the ends of the universe I'm gonna doubt it's any less than universal.
So yeah, I'm gonna bring up potential Uni scaling for the Grand Stars again, as the Lumas had to sacrifice a ton of them in order to cancel the effects of it's power -- same reasoning as 3-B, except now we know or at least have a great implication it reached the ends of the universe.
And for those certain individuals, If you want to give me the "but how do we know he used all that power?" argument then please explain to me why Bowser would be absorbing more power from the Stars if he doesn't already have the full extent of a single Grand Star? Why would he grow in size and claim he has gained power and loses that power when defeated? If we don't know how much energy he can take from Grand Stars then clearly the Reactor feat was just casual and not almost all of their power he used? It's also clear as day that the Grand Star is far superior to a single Luma or Power Star so why wouldn't their casual power still show proof of this tier? Rosalina herself even says that they had their Star Power taken from them when she speaks to you after you beat Bowser, and we clearly see him taking that power before you enter his level. Why would she bring this up if it wasn't a signifcant amount of energy he was taking? Notice how she said "when that monster took..."? Not when he was taking, or taken, or anything like that. She directly confirms he took their Star Power. Lubba also implies that Power Stars weren't the only things getting eaten up as well, which shows he WAS eating Power Stars as well. Why wouldn't he use the power he's taking when he's literally using it to make himself grow bigger and thusly more powerful? Do you see how many questions arise when you presume for no good reason he arbitrarily can't use the power he's taking from others? Hell, the ending shows Bowser is super tiny as well, showing that he also gave up some of his own energy in that final encounter and has grown (haha) extremely weak after losing it all. How is this not also more proof he was giving it his all? He consistently shrinks when he loses his power, but never as much as that, so what other explanation could there be?
I'd also like to bring up Star Power, which has been used in games in conjunction with the power of the stars and how it is also consistent.
Mario was granted a mysterious power by the Map, which we later see is the ability to ise Special Moves, which run on Star Power. So basically what happened is the Map granted him Star Power.
In summation
- Notable users of the Power of the Stars will receive a 3-B rating due to a single Grand Star being qualitatively superior to many Lumas (which can become Galaxies and Power Stars rarely), as clearly shown by the Lumas needing dozens upon dozens at the least to at most their entire race in order to cancel out the black hole just one Grand Star's energy helped create, with their resulting efforts creating a blast that destroyed and recreated the surrounding galaxies, which can be clearly observed from how the blast orignated in a place that required the most Power Stars to travel to while other Galaxies required less to travel to and we see the Earth was also part of it which is where you are located for most of the game. It's extremely evident the feat is at least 3-B and the Grand Stars would scale. An entire race banding together to halt the result of your power would make you superior to most of that race and equal or at least comparable to their combined power. The Power of the Stars was granted to Bowser having absorbed a Grand Star, so it would naturally scale as well.
- Adding the "As a Group" key for the Lumas for banding together to nullify the black hole caused by the Reactor and in the process resetting the space-time of a Galaxy
- Downgrading Lumas to 4-A due to the fact it took many just to counter the power of a 3-C feat and due to them still being able to qualify as "galaxies" if they're small galaxies which would be 4-A.
- Removal of 3-C (Galaxy level) for the Power Stars and scaling to Lumas, as a Power Star would require less Star Bits (the energy source Hungry Lumas use to become planets and galaxies) than a Grand Star and Galaxy to make. Even with the planets hungry Lumas create they also create Power Stars with them and a Power Star in a Galaxy too, therefore a Power Star can't be attributing to most of that energy
Agree: ( )
Remember to be civil and discuss away.
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