Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends - Episode II

[Soldier_Blue]

I think Tarkin told the Electrum's captain to make a micro-jump to the edge of the system in question so as to avoid a potential hyperspace-speed collision. Immediately before or after this (I don't remember) Tarkin notes how hyperspace rams from such large ships have devastated larger planetary bodies than Sentinel.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

that is hella dope...but didnt he wipe the floor with luke's face at first? and why does he look like an elf? plus, why not the green LS for luke, and red one for sheev?

this has me questioning reality and myself at the same time.

ps is it bad that i want to see more clone wars than the obi wan show?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

TROS is a LSD trip

 

[ByAsura]

@Soldier He says good thing they dispatched the Electrum after he lists the armaments, that heavily implies it's not the micro-jump. The second comment also implies it would have been able to fight the ship.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

i was reading over some stuff, and do we know how much stronger vader is than anakin in legends?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Not sure how much, but I do know that he's still considered way weaker than Sidious.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

he isnt anymore, i think. both current canon and legends say he is stronger than anakin, many times over. but back in the day, yeah, the usual idea was that he was weaker. anyhow, back to main point, he is stated to have surpassed dark side anakin by a somewhat good deal. i just wanna know how much that is. cuz i still am trying to figure out why he isnt at least high 4C just yet

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Darth Vader is only 5-B where as Sidious is 4-B. And I remember we have a discussion rule against scaling Sidious to Vader.

 

[ByAsura]

Here

• Please do not make content revision threads attempting to upgrade Darth Vader (Star Wars Legends continuity) to Tier 4 based on Word of God that he is 80% as powerful as Darth Sidious. This has been brought up numerous times (these threads just being two examples), but has been rejected every time by staff members and even trusted non-staff members who are knowledgeable when it comes to Star Wars Legends lore as this statement was given by George Lucas to standalone Vanity Fair article and was explicitly his own opinion, which does not take into account the events of Dark Empire. Also, please do not make content revision threads attempting to upgrade Darth Vader (and other Star Wars Legends characters who scale from him) to Tier 4 based on him surviving for a short while after a few seconds of exposure to Force Lightning from Darth Sidious. This, too, has been brought up and rejected.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

its only about the 80% stuff, which makes sense. sidious is easily twice as strong as vader tbh. doesnt mean vader CANT scale off of him, since his best feat in his strongest form was tanking sheev's full powered lighting, which almost killed rotj luke (who is stornger than starkiller, btw) with just a bit of his power. vader should already have been 4B by now

 

[ByAsura]

Personally, I don't really agree or disagree with Vader being 4-B, but this shouldn't be in a regular discussion thread because it's probably going to get very out of hand.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

i dont personally think so, but we can stop i guess lol

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

a revision of sorts needs to be done after all. a lot of characters have wrong tiers to them for some reason. i think they are just old tiers that people never bothered to look back at and fix them.

 

[ByAsura]

If I remember, there's a Continent level character that scales to Starkiller.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

who?

 

[ByAsura]

I'm trying to find them.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I remembered when all the 5-B characters used to be High 6-A

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

i think some still are. like, isnt xesh and co all still in tier 6? which is why need revisions some time soon

 

[ByAsura]

I found another. Kazdan Paratus.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

oh him lol the machinary guy

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

literally said to be stronger than starkiller, but is still 6A lmaooooo someone needs to fix that lol

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That was actually a lie spoken by Vader as upon defeating him; Darth Vader then said, "What you killed was nothing more than a weak old man."

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

i thought the lie was about ramn kota? oh wait, he never killed kota.. lol whoops

 

[ByAsura]

The profile is kind of low quality and redundant, anyway.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

i dont think a revision is needed to fix that, just a slight edit. but we do need revisions for actual teir changes. shadow and i were discussing this a awhile back

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Ah, that was Kota. I knew it was a little guy with metallic legs though. But yeah, he was like Padawan level iirc.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

kazdan paratus? or rahm kota? neither were, i think. well, kazdan reguraly beat empirical stroops, ships, etc, while controlling a whole planet worth of robots. as for kota, he fought galen full head on and did extremly well agasitn him. he did get fodderized by ANH vader, but like, its vader in a video game, who is supposed to be the main boss. what did u expect lmaoo

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It's been a while since I played Force Unleashed, plus I have a bad headache at the moment. So names getting mixed up. But I was talking about this boss fight. It was Kazdan whom Vader called a "Weak old man" upon defeating him and told Galen Shaak Ti was a real Jedi Master on his list. Rahm Kota was actually legit strong for certain.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

oh ok. i know rahm was strong simply cuz of his backstory. he was a bit too old to became a padawn, but someone, i think mace windu, saw that he was worth something, and let him in. plus, he fought galen lol

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...nakin-skywalker-rots-a-legends-respec/128624/ there are like, 10 statements here that say anakin is the strongest jedi ever. we need to catch up on that scaling

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Anakin is far from the strongest Jedi ever

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

so is yoda currently. but im sure u can read, so i dont think imma waste my time on this

 

[Ogbunabali]

The hypothetical Anakin prime is probably the strongest Jedi ever. But that never happened and he never reached his full potential.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Those are Inaccurate rumors, but even so you don't post spoilers for a movie months ahead, inaccurate or not, your intent is to spoil.

@ ANormalMetalSheevite

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

The hypothetical Anakin prime is probably the strongest Jedi ever. But that never happened and he never reached his full potential.

did u read what i posted? at all?

 

[Ogbunabali]

did u read what i posted? at all?

I did. What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[ByAsura]

I wonder if there's going to be another Mandator IV.

 

[ByAsura]

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...nakin-skywalker-rots-a-legends-respec/128624/ there are like, 10 statements here that say anakin is the strongest jedi ever. we need to catch up on that scaling

Most of these quotes come from Revenge of the Sith, where he is outright matched by Obi-Wan and portrayed as inferior to Sidious. Also, some of these refer to Dark Vader, who is definitely inferior to Sidious.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

did u read what i posted? at all?

I did. What does that have to do with what I said?

if u read the quotes from the books and shit like that in there, it states stuff like "he is possibly the strongest jedi of this generation" meaning he already achieved that strength, and not something like "if he ever reached his full potential, he could become greater than even myself" (sidious said this, i think) which is directed towards potential. both examples are repeated many times over, in different ways. yoda has some of the same statements, btw

 

[Ogbunabali]

Not really. On paper he was, since no one in the history of Star Wars had close to his midichlorian count, but in practice he was never the strongest we know that for a fact.