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Springtrap vs Freddy Fazbear
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XSOULOFCINDERX
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This is pretty self explanatory. If a weaker purple guy could tear him apart (albeit by catching him off guard.) then a much stronger Springtrap could do it with no issues.
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Springtrap FRA
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We have been over why ST isn't more powerful than PG. Anyway idk if Freddy could posses ST when destroyed, and he will be destroyed, as while he does have illusion creation, he doesn't have as good an ability as Springtrap's phantoms.XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Soupywolf5
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Give ST knowledge of possession
Soupywolf5
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Pretty sure he probably knows how it works given how he died
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Highly doubtful.
Soupywolf5
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I more meant the spirit being released then possession, but can Freddy even possess Springtrap?
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That is the question, ain't it? I would assume it is possible, though to avoid controversy, the OP should just give ST knowledge of it anyway.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Wouldn't he resist it due to already being possessed?
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Maybe? It is unclear.
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This has really been confusing me. Freddy never possesses anyone on his own. The Puppet put Freddy's soul in the animatronic in the first place and when Freddy's body was destroyed it was never implied he could possess anything afterward. I don't think his possession is combat applicable.
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Also Springtrap isn't possessed. He's just a guy in a suit that survives alot of stuff not unlike some horror movie villains.XSOULOFCINDERX said:
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Also Springtrap isn't possessed. He's just a guy in a suit that survives alot of stuff not unlike some horror movie villains.
That point is constantly under debate tbh.
That point is constantly under debate tbh.
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bump
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So what are your thoughts on whether Freddy's possession is combat applicable or not?
Soupywolf5
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That's a new one
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Soupywolf5
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Was... was that sarcasm?
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Ah, alright. As for the possession I'm pretty sure Freddy's comes from scaling to the Puppet (As in They're the same kind of spirit) Who was able to possess their host on their own
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No. Puppet is shown to be much more supernatural than the others. It's the same reason Freddy and the others can't put souls into animatronics. It's made clear that Freddy wouldn't have possessed the animatronic if it weren't for the Puppet.Soupywolf5 said:
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When has it been made that clear? The FNaF 1 spirits are likely the ones who caused all the hallucinations/illusions in FNaF 1 (Showing that they do share at least 1 similar ability) so there doesn't really seem to be anything to suggest the Puppet's "more supernatural". Freddy And the others have never even tried to put spirits into other Robots before (Although I'm not suggesting they should get that ability)
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Also looking back at Freddy's profile it says he's also comparable to Golden Freddy, who's another spirit who possessed their animatronic without assistance
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The Puppet did put Golden Freddy's soul in the animatronic FYI. Also the hallucinations are either out of the night guard's fear or are just game mechanics to make the game creepier. Next your gonna tell me Toy Freddy created JJ. Cassette Man even says that The Puppet was the one who lifted the others up into their arms and in UCN The Puppet talks about how the others are under their protection. It's established that the Puppet is the only one that can control souls and take care of the animatronics in that sense. There isn't any implication that the other animatronics could put souls into animatronics. And even if you wanna look at it through their profile, do they have soul manipulation? No because it's a widely accepted idea which is implied in the game that the Puppet is the only one who can do something like that. The Puppet is implied to be different than the others in the games.
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I'm not suggesting they should get that ability
I'm well aware that they don't have Soul manipulation, also what does JJ have to do with this? In the mini game you showed me it's evident that the Puppet didn't put Golden Freddy's soul in his body as the Puppet never puts a mask on the fifth child. The thing that's "different" about the Puppet is more that they're aware, compared to the others more animalistic behavior. And Casette man says that she did, not that she had to,
I'm well aware that they don't have Soul manipulation, also what does JJ have to do with this? In the mini game you showed me it's evident that the Puppet didn't put Golden Freddy's soul in his body as the Puppet never puts a mask on the fifth child. The thing that's "different" about the Puppet is more that they're aware, compared to the others more animalistic behavior. And Casette man says that she did, not that she had to,
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He never said any other animatronic can do that. He only said that the other animatronics have possession. I do understand if we remove possession from everyone but GF and TP, but illusion creation has no evidence of being just game mechanics, and happens enough to be considered an actual ability. Also nothing supports JJ being made by TF, while the Crying Children scaling to each other does. So while I do feel like limited Possession is warranted, I would understand removal, as you are correct that the Puppet is more supernatural than most of the animatronics aside from GF. Also GF or TP are able to have their soul exit their body, as shown when the souls attack PG, as their is a 5 soul without the animatronic body being destroyed.Modernmyrmidon said:
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I wasn't really saying you were suggesting they should get that ability. I was just drawing the comparison between Freddy Bonnie ect. and the Puppet. I brought up JJ because you said Freddy and the others could be supernatural because they caused the hallucinations when it's obvious they didn't and since JJ is a hallucination it's basically saying Toy Freddy could have created JJ, a hallucination. Freddy isn't comparable to Golden Freddy because Golden Freddy is a ghost and is also considered to be more supernatural than the others so, I'm not calling you out specifically, but I don't know where Freddy being comparable to Golden Freddy came from. I didn't say she had to. I said Cassette man says she did. Puppet and Cassette man talk about how Puppet watches over and protected and put the souls into the animatronics. That's how Puppet is different. And you're saying that the others shouldn't get soul maipulation yet you're refusing to admit that Puppet is the only one who is capable of it.Soupywolf5 said:
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He never said any other animatronic can do that. He only said that the other animatronics have possession. I do understand if we remove possession from everyone but GF and TP, but illusion creation has no evidence of being just game mechanics, and happens enough to be considered an actual ability. Also nothing supports JJ being made by TF, while the Crying Children scaling to each other does. So while I do feel like limited Possession is warranted, I would understand removal, as you are correct that the Puppet is more supernatural than most of the animatronics aside from GF. Also GF or TP are able to have their soul exit their body, as shown when the souls attack PG, as their is a 5 soul without the animatronic body being destroyed.
But he said that the "illusions" were hallucinations. What implication is there that the animatronics are capable of causing hallucinations? And the only reason the original 4 were able to exit their bodies for the FNaF 3 ending was because PG destroyed their physical bodies.
But he said that the "illusions" were hallucinations. What implication is there that the animatronics are capable of causing hallucinations? And the only reason the original 4 were able to exit their bodies for the FNaF 3 ending was because PG destroyed their physical bodies.
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I never denied that the Puppet wasn't the only one capable of it, I said the others never even attempted, which more fits into their more animalistic behavior, and it's not obvious that Freddy And co. Didn't cause the hallucinations when they're the only ones who could have done so (And Scott outright saying the original pizzeria was haunted, and the only ones who could haunt it would be the OGs) comparing that to TF Freddy creating JJ makes no sense when it's pretty obvious the animatronics are supernatural in some way considering they kind of have spirits possessing them.
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the only reason the original 4 were able to exit their bodies for the FNaF 3 ending was because PG destroyed their physical bodies.
You mean, like what Springtrap will be doing here?
You mean, like what Springtrap will be doing here?
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But you're saying that the hallucinations are explicit enough that it's possible the animatronics caused them but JJ is also a hallucination so it's implying the same thing basically. The comparison is that the animatronics can cause hallucinations in FNaF 1 but not FNaF 2? And admittedly Toy Freddy was a bad example since he's probably not haunted but that's where I was drawing the comparison from. The animatronics causing hallucinations. And the animatronics are animalistic and would never try it, ok. Makes sense. But is it not safe to assume they just can't? I mean, just because they never tried it doesn't mean they could. I see someone who can do something really athletic and yeah I never tried it, but I probably can't because I'm not as athletic. Same deal. The animatronics never tried it but they probably can't because they're not as supernatural. And I understand you aren't saying they could, but in my opinion trying to compare they're possession to the Puppet's is just out of the equation here.Soupywolf5 said:
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