I disagree. Literally the only assumption necessarily is that the word universe developed naturally in there reality and they don't somehow have access to OG's Eggman's memorys sense he would know the difference.
And 6 times below baseline low 2-C yes
Again, even the description of the Shatterverse makes Shatterspaces full universes
ONly works if you have a factual proof that the Prime World is Low 2-C and not 2-C to begin with.......which given the Shatterverse, that is unlikely
That's still low 2-C.
6 times below baseline low 2-C is Tier high 3-A
No literally not that's higher 3-A
Below baseline doesn't remove the dimension of time
I do believe there are profiles that are High 3-A due to downscaling from Low 2-C.Below baseline doesn't remove the dimension of time
Your proof for that is the Shatterverse. It's only proven to be 2-C if the shatter verse realitys are low 2-C which the default assumption for them is then being high 3-A unless proven otherwise as only them being low 2-C would prove the main universe to be 2-C, in other words this aurgment is totally irrelevant.
No as the other guy says high 3-A also includes none universe sized 4D constructs, it was removed from the tiering system due to being seen as redundant information sense anything below baseline low 2-C would he high 3-A by default (I was against this I knew this would happen but it went how it went)Below baseline doesn't remove the dimension of time
I found the justification for it making the main universe 2-C didn't make sense to me and noone here has convinced me otherwise. I'm probably going to make a revision thread unless I see some other evidence
One dude really doesn't like it and is flooding the thread because of it.
It takes more then one person to have a discussion, I really appreciate making me out to be a problem, if you didn't like that discussion happening here you could have asked it to be taken to messages or another thread made for it.
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this is all that is said about multipliers in tier 2......it doesn't work, there is......literally nothing on the tier page that says anything that "6x Low 2-C is 3-A/High 3-A" so......i really dunno where you are getting this from, heck, this was the whole basis as to why Beerus and Champa's feat became 2-C before the Macrocosms were 2-C structures, you can't "multiply" down or up in tier 2, that isn't a thing
then they should be revised, show me them
Then you'd best ask a mod. Because I completely believe I am rightno
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this is all that is said about multipliers in tier 2......it doesn't work, there is......literally nothing on the tier page that says anything that "6x Low 2-C is 3-A/High 3-A" so......i really dunno where you are getting this from, heck, this was the whole basis as to why Beerus and Champa's feat became 2-C before the Macrocosms were 2-C structures, you can't "multiply" down or up in tier 2, that isn't a thing
no that isn't the default assumption, they are called "Universes" in and out of the show, so they are universes and the default assumption......is that they are universes
no i won't, since the majority of said mods agreed with me here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/half-2-c-is-against-the-standards-and-should-be-eliminated.150055/
Created by one reality shattering into several, the assumption is that they are smaller then what they shattered from, and together make up what they shattered from. They could easy be discirbed as universes smaller then a normal one each one 6th the size of a normal universe. Simply using the word by characters that don't fully understand the situation isn't proof enough.
Stop with the hostile capltizitions
Well, you're not. 3-A is moreso the physical matter and substance of a universe. 2-C is not only physical matter + substance, but also the space-time of the entire universe. It's the difference between making a building-sized explosion and completely destroying that building's space-time. Also, making the assumption that something that is stated to be a universe is not a universe is really just headcanon and based off of nothing. There's no lore for the Eggmen exploring space and confirming or denying the existence of an expanded universe and the other Shatterspaces don't have anything that disproves them being their own universe-sized reality, either.
I simply wasn't aware of a change.
Well, cope with the fact that you're not right because you're not some Sonic Verse Scientist, especially when everyone is legit telling you that's not how it works with receipts to back it up. The fact that it "hurts" you this much that you push so hard to be "right" is crazy work. Especially when you're, again, wrong. I WILL think you're downplaying the Verse because you are. Your logic is also false according to the tiers listed in this wiki. If you don't like it? I dunno what to tell you other than read the tiers and their functionality before hopping into an argument about them.
yeah, hence why the full Prime World is 2-C as the Shatterverses are called universes both in and OUT of the show by WoG
exept Sonic's Universe is infinite, so each would still be infinite in size.....plus, as i said, it isn't just IN universe that they are called universes, it is out of universe as well
which is why i used the WoG of the creators of the show as well..........i even linked to you
"lower" in comparison to what? i was never given any evidence that it was ever higher to begin with
correction, they are not smaller 4D constructs, they are full on Universes
no, i didn't changed anything, i simply pointed out a flaw in some profiles that was against the existing standards......which most staff agreed that it was against said standards
no as
i am not being hostile, i am merely giving emphasis on what is important to remember, i didn't meant any hostile tone
I'm sorry if I caused you distress but I'm not going to just roll over to there points if I don't think there logically correct. I can tell things are getting heated so I'll drop this here and prepare a revision, and things can continue there.
No, you were definitely wrong before by trying to argue 6x smaller 2-C is 3-A. As well as trying to argue that something isn't what it's called by an authority higher than you while trying to inject beliefs and concepts that weren't even there before. The Sonic Verse isn't even 2-C on the Shatterverse scaling alone. Perhaps read the 2-C Sonic Upgrade Thread.
Your friend literally made the revision that made that untrue
You didn't cause ME distress. It just cringe seeing someone so painfully wrong while claiming they're right. You make yourself out to be some pseudo-intellectual if you keep saying stuff like that and then get proven wrong by the rules of the tiering system itself.
the only thing I was arguing aganst what 2-C shatterverse. Not 2-C sonic
Every 5th word has a spelling error I am not an intellectual
Either way, assuming the Shatterverse is just "oh they're just individual planets" or pocket dimension equivalents is just pure headcanon. It is called a multiverse, so it's a multiverse. There is no more argument. Anything else is just you drumming up false reasoning.
.....are you refering to me? because that isn't true
again......no, in this case it wouldn't since each piece is not called a universe, nor is the universe in question infinite.........can we talk more? cuz you are clearly not understanding the point correctly
.......again, no, i didn't do that, what are you talking about?
Irrelevant to the point I was making, but sure.
Nobody changed the tiering???? All he did was post evidence from the tiering page. What are you on about?
this thread omega sent that I read through, he did change how it works and from an analytical standpoint the change makes sense https://vsbattles.com/threads/half-2-c-is-against-the-standards-and-should-be-eliminated.150055/
