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Some Additions for Forerunners

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The Forerunners have some form of Black Hole extraction/manipulation/creation:

Conversion Pod: A type of Forerunner energy-harvesting system that exploits quantum fluctuations in surrounding space-time. Captured primordial black holes and muon-catalyzed fusion cores were often paired with conversion pods for specialised applications.
~ Halo Warfleet; pg. 90.​
And most importantly is their employment of Clench Tactics:

Clench: Forerunner strategy that utilised slipspace travel, nonlinear causality, and probability manipulation to conduct interstellar combat operations.
~ Halo Warfleet; pg. 90​
''FIVE ADDITIONAL FRAGMENTS: BATTLE TACTICS OF THE WARRIOR CIRCLE
[TT: The timing and location of these battles have not been established. "Sphere" in this context is a hypersphere made up of complexes of two and three-D surfaces, or membranes, shortened in this translation to "branes," extending into higher dimensions that combine vectors of transit, but also scalar tactical probabilities—a difficult concept to grasp, but essential to understanding Forerunner warfare. The idea of combining what amount to many-dimensional maps with scalars describing outcomes, and adjusting both as outcomes are determined, is peculiarly adapted to interstellar engagements involving slipspace travel.]

FRAGMENT 1

Having escorted the last Forerunners to safety, we have repositioned the last of our fleets, including those that protected Path Kural.

Their tactics have proven effective in skirmishes on the Lines of the Jat-Krula sphere.
The Falchion, former defender of the Orion complex, is one of the nine commanders trained during the Didact's exile. For nine hundred years the Falchion worked with the Builders, but remained inwardly loyal to Warrior-Servants and the Didact, unlike many of his colleagues.

The Falchion is in command of our first clench.

Four themas stand in peril of total infection.

Warrior-Servants stand ready across nineteen systems formerly linked by star roads. Engaged in the clench: twelve fully capable Fortress-class battle stations, of limited mobility due to space-time debt, which will act as apex control for seven hundred thousand more nimble Harrier-class vessels.

Opposing them: over one hundred thousand captured and infected Forerunner ships, most powerful in this context likely being four hundred dreadnoughts.

The first flex of the membrane, leading to the clench, begins at the extreme interior margins of Path Terrulian in the 78th Thema, a cold, pre-stellar dust cloud fringed with cooling, iron-hearted stars and vast numbers of stony and icy planets and asteroids.''

~ Halo Silentium; ch. 25​
As seen here, Clench Tactics relies on the exploitation of higher dimensional scalar values for cosmological objects and events, letting them first off be able to calculate and visualise all upcoming future possibilities, and furthermore give them the ability to nudge these scalar values and other cosmological features to their advantage in battle to change the predetermined probabilities into something in their favor. Lord Rama says it best:

Forerunner strategic dominance in naval combat is dictated by their mature understanding of slipspace technology; whereas the UNSC and the Covenant (along with numerous attendant species) utilised slipspace to re-engage in realspace interstellar combat, the Forerunners adjusted their strategic throughput via clenches. This allowed them to wage widescale battles with the use of hundreds of thousands of ships across hyper-dimensional branes (dynamic objects which can propagate through spacetime and numerous dimensions) to constantly observe scalars that allowed for nonlinear or possibly collinear observation of ongoing events. This effectively allowed them to adjust the probabilities of an ongoing conflict to suit their own needs. To define the latter component, the movement of feedback is a central characteristic of nonlinear causation in a dynamic events. Instead of events happening in isolation of causation they instead feedback to effect their source. Thus nonlinear causality in the prism of a linear relationship can have the characteristic of being self-perpetuating and self-referential, thus allowing Forerunners to possibly adjust their actions based on observed effects, thus adjusting their probabilities in due part to observing and thus eliminating the numerous potential dynamic outcomes of an action.
This could give Forerunners Indirect Probability Manipulation, Alternate Future Display, and Limited Higher Dimnesional Scalar Manipulation for their successful utilization of Clench tactics.

Higher dimensional manipulation isn't too out there given they create hyperspherical barriers for their planets:

I was all too familiar with Jat-Krula. During one of our interminable civil wars, half a million years before my birth, Jat-Krula had been a formidable strategy of fortified defense, designed to control frequently traversed manifolds in the Orion complex. Key to Jat-Krula was vigilance over all conceivable slip-space entries and portals— the necessary and most efficient avenues of slipspace travel. Millions of fixed fortifications had been spread like beaded curtains between hundreds of systems, standing vigil over a collective of jump solutions, protecting historic routes that supported trade as well as offensive and counter-offensive maneuvers. Any major assault force, it was reasoned, must pass through this hyper-spherical boundary. And the boundary, so planners insisted, could at a moment's notice be rendered impassable, solid - impregnable.
~ Halo Silentium; ch 7.​
 
I think we discuss this before, but yeah I agree, wouldnt it be better to just call it Higher-Dimensional Scalar Manipulation rather than limited Higher-Dimenisonal manipulation if the former is contradicted by other haxes.

EDIT: Correct me If im wrong but this would be similar to them manipulating the scalars to indirectly affect probability to the point that they can simulate perfectly it in their actual battles?

Would this also apply to Warrior-Servants or only their Naval capability?
 
We have no proof warrior servants can do this... Yet

-brb, emailing Franky-
 
Can somebody summarise the suggested changes in an easy to understand manner?
 
Antvasima said:
Can somebody summarise the suggested changes in an easy to understand manner?
The best summarized is Rama's quote near the end, it's not something that can be simply explained as it's inherently a complex multivariable tactical procedure
 
Well, just a summary of what you wish to add then.
 
Higher Dimensional Manipulation as Forerunners can create hyperspherical barriers and manipulate scalar values that pertain to higher dimensional vectors, maybe vector manipulation for the scalar stuff IDK, probability manipulation from manipulating these values, and alternate future display or precognition from being able to see all possible future events given any calculated tactical option
 
That mostly seems fine, although please explain probability manipulation better.
 
Antvasima said:
That mostly seems fine, although please explain probability manipulation better.
Well aside for the original quote saying "probability manipulation" verbatim, they can manipulate scalars pertaining to higher dimensional vectors to change the probabilities of any certain variable they deem necessary to change to allow some certain event or advantage to materialize in battle
 
Okay. That seems fine then.
 
So can these additions be implemented? Karmodf is planning an entire overhaul of the Forerunner page so I'd rather wait till his blog on it is all set
 
I suppose that seems fine, yes.
 
I can add this either way:

Probability Manipulation, Nonlinear & Collinear Causality Manipulation, Higher-Dimensional Scalar Manipulation & Precognition via Clench Tactics (Can manipulate Scalars pertaining to Higher-Dimensional Vectors to change the probabilities of any certain variable they deem necessary to change, allowing some certain event or advantage to materialize in battle and the ability to see all possible futures) Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (Whe're able to create Hyperspherical Barriers for their planet's defenses,could also manipulate Hyper-Dimensional branes, dynamic objects which can propagate through spacetime and numerous dimensions and manipulate Scalar Values that pertain to Higher Dimensional Vectors) Black Hole Manipulation with Conversion Pods (Can exploit quantum fluctuations in surrounding space-time to capture and create primordial black holes)

or:

Higher-Dimensional Scalar Manipulation via Clench Tactics (Can manipulate Scalars pertaining to Higher-Dimensional Vectors to change the probabilities of any certain variable they deem necessary to change, allowing some certain event or advantage to materialize in non-linear or collinear ways in the middle of a battle and the ability to see all possible futures) Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (Whe're able to create Hyperspherical Barriers for their planet's defenses,could also manipulate Hyper-Dimensional branes, dynamic objects which can propagate through spacetime and numerous dimensions and manipulate Scalar Values that pertain to Higher Dimensional Vectors) Black Hole Manipulation with Conversion Pods (Can exploit quantum fluctuations in surrounding space-time to capture and create primordial black holes)

Some grammar could be corrected but not much more IMO.
 
So should we go with the second option then?
 
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