Sierra Myst vs Venus

[Imouto-tan]

8-B

Thus far I have said: Sierra wins because her Time Stop is potent enough to effect him and with her speed she can easily cover a distance of 120 miles in no time flat. Venus couldn't sense her due to her Self-Existence Erasuer and couldn't reach her due to his range only being (4,374 meters) 2 miles while with her portals Sierra has a range of 120 Miles. Her portals can not only bypass defenses by traveling through sub-space or just move things instantaneously from location A to location B. All of her attacks bypass resistances and she also has negation resistance which gives her resistance to her resistances being bypassed/negated. Plus with her Fate Manipulation she could increases the chances of her For Whom the Bell Tolls activating and killing him. Also, her reaction and combat speed is 1/4th a plank instant with his combat and reaction speed being a picosecond which is still massively slower than a plank instant.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Time stop doesn't stop her from fulfilling Venus' Trigger. Negation resistance is not resistance to resistance negation like you're saying, just resisting to having an action or attack negated. Polluted acausality specifically doesn't inherently make them resist fate hax and stuff like that, just make it completely useless against them because it fails to have any bearing on what the Polluted actually does and unless Sierra has something similar or has damaged similiarly acausal beings anything she hits him with just heals him, damages her, etc.

Speed should be equalized if that's the case, although it still doesn't stop her from fulfilling his Trigger or him just meming his way through the speed difference because that tends to happen a lot with Polluted.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Also, he isn't immune to existence erasure and her immortality negation so Sierra could kill him. Her Conceptual Poison works on 11th-Dimensional beings which from what I understand would still affect him.

Excerpt from Sierra's Page "Existence Erasure and Durability Negation plus Healing (Her basic attacks bypass durability and resistances on a conceptual level. Even beings with high-godly Regenerationn cannot easily recover from a hit from her and she can kill most types of immortals. Each successful attack also heals her equivalent to the damage dealt)"

And being that she does fight 11-dimensional Hilbert Space being which these same powers it is safe to say that Sierra can effect him.

He can't kill her due to him lacking immortality negation and her Resistance to conceptual attacks.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Match goes

Sierra portal stabs Venus, which kills him deader than dead. Due to his Trigger though, Sierra is now permenantly stuck in heat that will instantly destroy her every time she regens

incon

 

[Imouto-tan]

Seems about right

 

[Imouto-tan]

But if we're being honest she could just have had one of her duplicates do the attack and not be the one caught in the fire.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

That wouldn't work, no, since the guys that Carrion worked for tried that and it just trapped all of the duplicates and the original

 

[Imouto-tan]

Ahh okie dokie

Also why wouldn't her killing fate to negate the passive ability or even killing her own fate to burn for eternity?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Because she would have 0 clue that it existed before it happened and she would never get the chance.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Fair point

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Incon FRA

 

[DragonEmperor23]

incon fra

 

[Imouto-tan]

I still don't understand what his Trigger is though

 

[Imouto-tan]

Is it portals being used on him, simply being near him, attacking him in general?

That wasn't explained to me

 

[Imouto-tan]

Wait

I just realized

Sierra could launch her missiles coated in her poison to attack him bypassing his trigger that is caused by changing the scenery which would allow her to kill him without catching fire.

Launching missiles doesn't count as change the environment/scenery because it doesn't add anything to it or make it look different at all.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

His "Trigger" is a specific action or condition that causes his Distortion to passively activate with the additional effect of trapping the target inside of it.

Sierra creating portals at all would count for it.

What exactly is Sierra's opening move? Because anything other than the portal stab leads to her and her projectiles being exploded.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Actually if the speed is equalized

Then she could easily just use her missiles to attack him their speed is faster than what the equalized speed would be.

Why would her and her projectiles being exploded?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

"Explosion Manipulation, Homing Attack, Danmaku, Spatial Manipulation, and Transmutation (Can create explosions that expand forever, multiply on their own, never stop going off and releasing heat, destroy space, are totally invisible and silent, and turn things into bombs which almost immediately explode)"

 

[Imouto-tan]

Well the funny thing is

Remember he has a limited range meaning once she is outside his range she could easily use her projectiles which are immune to intense heat and are durable enough to tank his explosions not to mention that she can control the shrapnel from the exploded missiles and they would still have the poison. Does his attacks keep homing after they are out of his two mile range?

Seeing that their speed would still allow them to cross long distances she can easily get out of reach from him. Plus she can make force fields that reflect projectiles back to sender three times faster and far more deadly being that they would count as her attack they would have the same properties as any of her attacks and kill him. Or she could use her own Sealing Slash to seal him up which doesn't change the environment and he doesn't have a resistance to being sealed. Or she could just put him to sleep with her pheromones which he doesn't have a resistance to due to her negating his resistances.

Also how fast does him invisible explosions move? What is keeping her from poisoning his power source? Also does the trigger activate even if the attack or portal isn't directed towards him. Being that she could change her own fate to dodge his attacks by removing her fate of being hit by them and she fights Acausality type 4 and 5 beings with them same powers why wouldn't her fate killing powers work on him?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

What the **** are those missles made of to survive space-rupturing, constant explosions and why isn't that stated anywhere on the page?

Eh, i guess that makes sense. Those forcefields aren't going to stop attacks that explicitly appear already past them, especially since Venus' only real move after the explosions is his normal Distortion. If she gets close enough to attack him, she just gets blown up, and if she uses a portal to try and stab him from far away then she just gets stuck in his Distortion forever.

>put something as biologically fucky and illogical to sleep with pheromones that afaik aren't special

Instant. The fact that his "power source", as much as that can be stated, is pure Pollution which doesn't abide by logic at any level of being or scale, meaning that she couldn't do anything to it at all. It does, and the fate changing doesn't really matter unless it's as higher-d as the rest of her shit because Venus will jsut do whatever regardless of what her fate says otherwise.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Ok so you extremely heavily implied earlier that Sierra's opening move was a portal stab with her conceptual poison.

The issue is that the opening of the portal alone would trigger Venus' Distortion, giving her literally 0 time to actually attack.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Omnisteel which is what Hibiki 23 is made out of, so by extention her missiles would have these same resistances (I should actually mention the fire part on her page but it still stands). Plus her page does mention that they cannot be manipulated via vectors which is how his reflection shield works

Vector and Telekinesis Negation (The Omni-steel bullets that she uses are resistant to being manipulated by vector manipulation and telekinesis. Her missiles are also made of this same metal.)

How prey-tell does the explosions appear past a skin-level force fields? She can poison literal energy and abstract conceptual beings (which exists outside of logic), so I have feeling that she can poison his power source.

Also, if she sends things into sub-space and pull them out of sub-space how does that change the environment and also, how does time stop change the environment if all it does it stop time. Would her creating weapons inside of him count as changing the environment.

 

[Imouto-tan]

but she is resistant to conceptual attacks which the Distortion is correct?

This is a theoretically battle situation so I am trying all routes

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Ok fair enough.

^

By spawning inside of her and said forcefield, which is what Venus does with them. Pollution isn't some form of energy or abstract phenomena, and what it actually is is 100% inconstant and ever-shifting regardless of what perspective you view it from. Tl;dr no, it won't work.

No, no, and no. Sadly by that point she'll have been blown up.

The distortion produces enough heat to melt concepts. Resisting concept manip doesn't suddenly mean that the heat doesn't do anything. "trying all routes" is not how battles work here. Your character has a thing that they either open with or use to determine what they should use. They don't magically know all of the opponent's abilities and exactly what to use to defeat them beforehand.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Plus I said that her first move was getting far away from him and from there I could say that she attacks with her long distance projectiles which he has no defenses against or make her poison/weapons inside of him. Also it does seem fair to say that she could see these invisible explosions being that she can sense Master Assassins that Self-Existence Erasure themselves which would allow her to counter by changing her fate for them to miss.

Also does his non-trigger explosions last infinitely too? Also you never answered my question, does the homing attack follow the person even after they left his range?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Aside from the explosions, his natural existential fuckery, and passive space barriers.

Yes, or at least until he wants them to go away. You never asked that, but yes.

 

[Imouto-tan]

So what is his range exactly because if they follow you until he doesn't want them to anymore than his range is incorrectly on his page being that it is listed as: "Range: Standard Melee Range, Kilometers (specifcally 4,374 meters) via Distortion, Hundred of Kilometers with Explosions"

Meaning that no, his powers wouldn't be able to get to her if she uses her fate manipulation to make them miss/dodge them being that she could sense them. She would literally just have to leave his range and she wins via distance with her missiles which has a longer reach than all of his attacks and they resist his defenses and resistances, they cancel his resistances and durability and also negate his immortality.

And I did ask if they follow forever a while back

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

why tf would she try to fate hax shit that she doesn't know about and that doesn't even exist yet

 

[DragonEmperor23]

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