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Antvasima

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The issue is that he is just obnoxious, and that's it. He doesn't spam, derail, threaten, insult, or harrass, for example.
 
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Another stern warning or a week/month ban should be more than enough imo. As annoying as it could be, I don't think being obnoxious is a perma-ban worthy offense tbh.
 

Antvasima

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Okay. How about two weeks? Just be careful to not ban his IP addresses as well.
 

The_Wright_Way

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I think you're overestimating just how bad a two week ban is. I'm on this site almost every day and even I wouldn't see two weeks as that big a deal.
 
I'm still a huge fan of a stern, last-chance warning. Smoke did something that was harmless, and though it was obnoxious, this does not mean he deserves a TWO WEEK BAN. Can we please not overreact here? We know he has ban banned for 3 months I believe, but that situation was far worse.
2 weeks is not that severe of a ban.
 
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It may be an overreaction if we treated this as a one time event, sure. But it's a consistent action that he's been punished for previously and hasn't shaped up at all. That's the whole point of something like a tally system, their punishments get worse because they keep doing the wrong thing.
 

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Scrolling down the thread was emotional and fine until I saw the deleted "Finally".
Abstractions, thank you for deleting the message.

I'd say three month ban minimum until I checked his previous history, and although the portions that I've seen weren't disrespectful to a level like this, it's obvious that the obnoxious behavior is consistent.
There should be no time limit for his ban in my opinion. There's nothing more disrespectful than to say a "finally" in a situation like that.

He ended it with
nah im kidding i dont even know him but best of luck
2 minutes after Arcker123 called him out. He could've deleted it himself or not sent it at all, but he waited till he was called out.
There's no "I'm kidding", you got called out. Simple.
But that's still not good enough. Something of that caliber shouldn't and won't be tolerated.

Get him gone.
 

The_Wright_Way

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I mean, there are other problematic users in the past who have gotten long bans, but not a permaban for doing the kinds of thing Garchomp does (ZacharyGrossman)
So me a time where Zachary has crossed the line like this and I'll be just as happy to throw him out too.

And "nah I'm kidding" is just using "it's just a prank bro" as an excuse for shitty behavior. I won't tolerate it.
 

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TheLastStyleBender on the same thread, maybe not intentionally rude, but I think they could've responded with something other than "Hasta La Vista !!!!"

Just kinda seems wrong for a goodbye thread
 

The_Wright_Way

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StyleBender has a nack for making inappropriate jokes in serious threads. He might be a half baked troll.
 
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i don't know much about this Garchomp guy or whatever, and i'm very late to Sera farewell thread, still if what you guys said about HIS BEHAVIOR IS TRUE, a "kick" to realm of darkness is necessary, in my opinion a behavior like that could potentially cause other to depression and possibly commit suicide, which equivalent to indirectly killing. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE
 
I honestly don't even know what's up with Garchomp's mind when making that comment or reading Sera's thread.
But it was completely such a negative and inconsiderate response in the end, nonetheless.
 
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Someone have edited the tier of kama to 1-A. (She's 2-A)
 

Antvasima

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I'm still a huge fan of a stern, last-chance warning. Smoke did something that was harmless, and though it was obnoxious, this does not mean he deserves a TWO WEEK BAN. Can we please not overreact here? We know he has ban banned for 3 months I believe, but that situation was far worse.
So should we give a warning to BigSmoke or ban him for two weeks?
 

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I can somewhat agree to a small ban.

But, I think I prefer giving a very severe warning, and that it should be properly conveyed and worded in a way that this warning is serious, and must be followed.

I think permanently banning someone who's only constantly obnoxious might set a bad precedent, I don't know, it could just be me. There are way worse people that harass, spam, insult, or threaten people (for example), which deserve at least a ban, or much worse punishments. Though, I do agree that I've been constantly seeing reports against BigSmoke so much that it's also wasting not just my time, but other people's time.

So, this time, I think a warning that could properly shape up his behavior, or convey that this is the last warning (and anymore would lead to some sort of punishment) would be nice.
 
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I can somewhat agree to a small ban.

But, I think I prefer giving a very severe warning, and that it should be properly conveyed and worded in a way that this warning is serious, and must be followed.

I think permanently banning someone who's only constantly obnoxious might set a bad precedent, I don't know, it could just be me. There are way worse people that harass, spam, insult, or threaten people (for example), which deserve at least a ban, or much worse punishments. Though, I do agree that I've been constantly seeing reports against BigSmoke so much that it's also wasting not just my time, but other people's time.

So, this time, I think a warning that could properly shape up his behavior, or convey that this is the last warning (and anymore would lead to some sort of punishment) would be nice.
I agree with this, personally. Makes sense the more I think about it. We can word the warning in a way that conveys that this is absolutely his final chance to shape up.
 

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I can somewhat agree to a small ban.

But, I think I prefer giving a very severe warning, and that it should be properly conveyed and worded in a way that this warning is serious, and must be followed.

I think permanently banning someone who's only constantly obnoxious might set a bad precedent, I don't know, it could just be me. There are way worse people that harass, spam, insult, or threaten people (for example), which deserve at least a ban, or much worse punishments. Though, I do agree that I've been constantly seeing reports against BigSmoke so much that it's also wasting not just my time, but other people's time.

So, this time, I think a warning that could properly shape up his behavior, or convey that this is the last warning (and anymore would lead to some sort of punishment) would be nice.
I am fine with this if somebody can write a proper draft for what the final warning should say.
 
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I am fine with this if somebody can write a proper draft for what the final warning should say.
"Hello

Please be warned that this is the final warning meant to give you an opportunity to willingly change your behavior that you have been previously warned about and punished for. If you fail to comply with this by shaping up and changing your consistently rude and, frankly, obnoxious behaviour, then we will be forced to take more severe measures against you ranging from a temporary to a permanent ban. We would highly appreciate it if this is resolved amicably once and for all.

Thank you for understanding, and my apologies for any inconvenience."


Does something like this work? I've never written something like this before, so I don't know if that's what you're looking for.
 

Antvasima

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Thank you. I reworded the draft a bit:

"Hello

This is a final warning meant to give you an opportunity to willingly change the type of recurrently obnoxious behavior that you have been previously warned about and punished for. If you do not comply with this, we will likely be forced to give you a ban. We would highly appreciate it you make a sincere effort to shape up from now onwards."
 
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that wasn't a troll thread. it was a revision i tried to make during the forum move. i failed because it was a revision i tried to make during the forum move. i don't see how "uses a vulgar metaphor" instantly translates to "entire thread is trolling lol". i'm not a troll...
Considering his previous behavior and bans, I suggest a permanent ban.
...buuut this seems like a really good way of creating one. how counterproductive.
We cannot permanently ban him for being juvenile and annoying. A few months may or may not be acceptable though.
do you think i'm actively trying to be annoying? because i'm not. i am simply an annoying person. i don't know how to change that, and i doubt there are any good methods anyways.
I suppose that is another idea. He seems incapable of shaping up his generally obnoxious behaviour though, which wastes the time of everybody else.
"we should ban this user for wasting other people's time"
- the guy who runs a vs debate wiki and in the process has likely assisted in wasting years of other people's time
Perhaps a very short block? Bigsmoke does seem unwilling to shape up, though his offenses aren’t too terribly bad.
*unable
I don't really see the point in giving him another warning if he's refused to shape up after his previous warns.
there is a difference between refusing to do something and not knowing how to do it in the first place. if i did know how to change it, though, i probably would refuse. why? because i'm not getting rid of my personality traits for the sake of a fucking vs debate wiki.
The issue is that he is just obnoxious, and that's it. He doesn't spam, derail, threaten, insult, or harrass, for example.
ehhhh.. i've briefly derailed this thread before. i apologize for that. i've likely insulted people as well. definitely insulted pan before, if that counts at all. i'm not gonna apologize for insulting someone who threatened to burn me and my family alive though.
I'm still a huge fan of a stern, last-chance warning. Smoke did something that was harmless, and though it was obnoxious, this does not mean he deserves a TWO WEEK BAN. Can we please not overreact here?
key words being "last chance". this means that, if i do another harmless thing that anyone at all finds annoying, i will be permabanned.
We know he has ban banned for 3 months I believe, but that situation was far worse.
i still believe that the three month ban was an overreaction. the situation was me arguing that a certain character should be allowed here. i had already argued about this, and an admin told me not to bring it up again, but the rules had changed to allow human level characters (or something). i know, i know, it's unforgivable. the entire wiki was on the verge of collapse as a result. how could anyone do something so horrible?
Two weeks is nothing
If this person has willfully continued their negative actions they deserve a month
i really can't understand how every fucking person i meet manages to believe that everything i do wrong is intentional. i am not trying to be annoying. i'm trying to enjoy myself. problem is, nobody else seems to have that goal in mind.
I've been constantly seeing reports against BigSmoke so much that it's also wasting not just my time, but other people's time.
is that what this is about? because it sounds a lot more like these people are wasting their own time.
So, this time, I think a warning that could properly shape up his behavior, or convey that this is the last warning (and anymore would lead to some sort of punishment) would be nice.
once again, i don't know how to change.
I support a short ban for Bigsmoke. Why keep letting him off with just warnings if that’s demonstratively not working?
that's because from your perspective, if i'm still obnoxious, it automatically means the warnings aren't working. you should probably understand, i don't actively attempt to annoy people. it just happens.

long story short, you guys are perceiving dumb jokes and tactlessness as intentional trolling, while they're really just byproducts of my existence. as of now, i can't change these things.
 

Antvasima

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Well, I am not sure what we should do then. However, almost everybody else here try to be on their best behaviour when they visit this community. This is not the same as demanding that you should get a personality transplantation.
 

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Ant, BigSmoke has absolutely no respect for just about anything and doesn't meaningfully contribute to this community. What's the point of keeping him here?
 

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This doesn't strike me as a strong endorsement to say that a ban is unwarranted here.
Right on the mark.

Call it death by a thousand cuts. A man can make one mistake, he can make two, but after the tenth mistake, do you really want them on the wiki before?

Way back when I was calling for BigSmoke's permanent ban due to Cool Cat issues, my words were that he should be banned because, obviously, he will not change. I was told that the best course of action was to tone it down and give him a chance to change, and unwillingly, I relented -

Yet here we are again.

@BigSmoke

You really need to think through what you post before you make it and focus on high-quality content above all.
 

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Ant, BigSmoke has absolutely no respect for just about anything and doesn't meaningfully contribute to this community. What's the point of keeping him here?
I just don't want to be a tyrant, but yes, if he strictly keeps the joking around to Fun & Games, that should be useful.
 

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BigSmoke, I don't think my point was understood properly.

I have never reported you or anything, this is my perspective as an "outsider". My point is that your behavior is being perceived as report worthy despite it being only a constant obnoxious one. And because you're either being misunderstood or inciting hostility from others, and constant reports are being poured in that are only worthy of a warning, at most, a short ban.
 
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I have never reported you or anything, this is my perspective as an "outsider". My point is that your behavior is being perceived as report worthy despite it being only a constant obnoxious one. And because you're either being misunderstood or inciting hostility from others, and constant reports are being poured in that are only worthy of a warning, at most, a short ban.
as far as i can tell this is the first time i've been reported here in a while
but yeah, i got your point. i'm just saying that the people who report me for annoying shit are wasting their time. they could easily ignore me, and yet they decide to go to this thread and report me. if i was actually doing something reprehensible it would make sense, but the only problem here is that i sorta annoy them.
 
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Well I suppose that is correct in a way. What you have in fact showcased besides that however, is the fact your iq is seemingly lower than your own age, considering the explicit lack of awareness you'd need to post that.
i'm aware that it exposes that i don't respect anything. it doesn't matter, though, as long as it isn't bleeding into my behavior here.
 

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I'm in agreement with Sir Ovens and Moritzva.

"we should ban this user for wasting other people's time"
- the guy who runs a vs debate wiki and in the process has likely assisted in wasting years of other people's time

This is not the attitude that I think deserves to stay on the wiki.
 
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