Rule Violations Reports (New forum)

[Crabwhale]

First of all, that little snark is not appreciated when filing a report. Secondly, we don't have control on what users do outside the wiki borders and similarly can't police them for what they do outside of it, special circumstances laid out on our rules page notwithstanding. If you have any of such cases we'd be glad for them to be reported, but individually, not as this general thing.

Thirdly, it's simply ludicrous to say this is our fault. We're not some hivemind that condemns or allows certain actions. If these users were on any other VS forums, it's likely they'd be doing the same thing. We all collectively known Discussions is a cesspit but we can't get rid of it, so we opt to ignore it mostly. But even if we didn't that wouldn't stop some user from there going on to be inflammatory someplace else.

 

[Antvasima]

I honestly do not know.

We do not want to have the Discussions forum in the first place, and I have told the Fandom staff as much, but since it helps to bring in higher visitor statistics to the wiki, they do not want to get rid of it.

I, Medeus, and Elizhaa currently have to ban around 2-5 members there every day for misbehaviour, but have no authority to ban them globally from all Fandom wikis, and only have the time to go by reported posts.

I will talk with our wiki manager Ursuul about the problem. I hope that he can bring in some global discussion moderators to help bring some law and order to the place at least.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Yeah, that place needs to cool down. Users were making big fits about the bleach upgrades and spiting the verse for it, people being rude constantly, etc. It deserves a clean up.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I have talked with Ursuul about it, and he will talk with the higher-ups about my concerns.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

This thread

I think this is a Joke | Fandom

Right now i checked Ichigo’s Profile and so much…

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[StarKingDemonLord]

This thread

I think this is a Joke | Fandom

Right now i checked Ichigo’s Profile and so much…

vsbattles.fandom.com

Sigh. Some people just can't accept Bleach characters getting the upgrade.

 

[Antvasima]

We will see if the tiering sticks or not. It seems exaggerated to me as well. Anyway, I suppose that I should delete the thread.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

This guy made this thread. He also has made a post like this in the past and was the guy who made that, who has the worst scaling post.

 

[StarKingDemonLord]

This guy made this thread. He also has made several posts like this in the past.

He made multiple polls like that. I don't see what's wrong with it, unless I'm misunderstanding the situation.

 

[Antvasima]

He was inciting other members against the Naruto wiki and Death Battle communities. I blocked him.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Sigh. Some people just can't accept Bleach characters getting the upgrade.

Link doesn't work

 

[StarKingDemonLord]

Link doesn't work

The thread got deleted.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Who would be a better actor | Fandom

vsbattles.fandom.com

^This thread

 

[Antvasima]

I blocked him.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

LordGinSama is being intentionally disruptive in this staff only thread and has added nothing constructive, he has been rude and when asked to stop, he said he didn't care what we say, because he will post regardless

I'm not sure if this fully worth reporting, but he is basically insulting everyone for disagreeing with the current upgrades and refuses to follow the rules we set up

 

[ShieldsPlus]

Why did you make it staff only in the first place?

Just make it a regular thread so that the ppl knowledgeable in Bleach can actually respond to AKM's concerns about the issue at hand instead of keeping away people who don't agree with your views.

 

[Axxtentacle]

My point exactly.

 

[Rikimarox2]

They did that so the thread doesn't flooded like the last one. The old thread reached 12 pages in like what, 24 hours?

Although, they should've just made it a general CRT and deleted any unnecessary or unhelpful comments IMHO.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I had no part in even making the thread or making it staff only and was one of the people who advocated for more non staff to participate and none of this is related to you two, it's how LordGinSama has acted is my issue

 

[Daddybrawl]

They made it staff-only because last time, it ended up a 14 page war. They’re allowing non-staff to enter the thread and discuss as long as they’re not disruptive or bias, and this was stated and explained on the OP and shown throughout the thread. They don’t even have to do that. I’m sure if you were polite you could discuss calmly, but acting disruptive is no way to get you into a thread, that’s ridiculous.

 

[DragonGamerZ913]

The last discussion had little to no staff involvement which was a major problem, and like Daddybrawl said before, non-staff members are being allowed in as long as they're not disruptive. There's no reason to make an assumption like "blocking out different opinions."

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

They made it staff-only because last time, it ended up a 14 page war. They’re allowing non-staff to enter the thread and discuss as long as they’re not disruptive or bias, and this was stated and explained on the OP and shown throughout the thread. They don’t even have to do that. I’m sure if you were polite you could discuss calmly, but acting disruptive is no way to get you into a thread, that’s ridiculous.

^This. Especially given the awful responses in the Bleach General thread.

 

[LordGinSama]

I had no part in even making the thread or making it staff only and was one of the people who advocated for more non staff to participate and none of this is related to you two, it's how LordGinSama has acted is my issue

Acted? Mitch, if I can kindly give you some advice, practice what you preach. Because while you haven't acted out of line in this particular thread, yourself haven't shown the best behavior and have frequent outbursts from time to time, and considering you're a staff member you shouldn't have the amount of outbursts that you do.


And let's not lie here, because your report here is incredibly antagonizing, because at no point did I ever insult anyone for disagreeing with me. So don't go around spreading misinformation, or alternatively learn how to structure your sentence without the usage of hyperbole. I'll apologize for being mildly disruptive, but I'm not gonna apologize for anymore.



And for the record, the length of the thread doesn't matter. The wiki was made not to have an expiration date after a certain amount of comments for a reason, learn how to summarize arguments more effectively. It's as simple as that, it being 14+ pages long isn't a very valid reason considering it can be summed up by both sides rather easily.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Which is why I suggested a slight change of the OP in the thread, to avoid people thinking that people are attempting censorship. It comes off as censorship since it's not obvious that they are actually allowed to talk there, the initial thing they read is that it's a staff only thread, and the first paragraph has a comment about only staff being able to be involved as the first sentence, emboldened. Discouraging people from responding is still a form of censorship, which is why I suggested this.

 

[Crabwhale]

This report was not worth the hassle as nothing report worthy was done, however I will repeat here what I did on the thread, do NOT use a staff only thread as some excuse to vent off your frustrations. That's not what it's for, and if that's all you're do politely remove yourself from the thread.

Which is why I suggested a slight change of the OP in the thread, to avoid people thinking that people are attempting censorship. It comes off as censorship since it's not obvious that they are actually allowed to talk there, the initial thing they read is that it's a staff only thread, and the first paragraph has a comment about only staff being able to be involved as the first sentence, emboldened. Discouraging people from responding is still a form of censorship, which is why I suggested this.

I'm starting to think you don't know the meaning of the word "censorship". We're not censoring anybody. In fact, the act of a staff member vouching for a regular member to comment is quite common knowledge and has as far as I know been practiced in many threads across the wiki. Stop trying to push this narrative the staff members are trying to shackle the regular users. It's getting tiring, and the arguments for it are getting more bullshit by the day.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Couldn't the staff just say that they're not doing censorship?

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Friendly reminder that Staff are people too and most of us (Crab included, in the above) actively do not care about Bleach as a verse. They are literally just there to help, make it easy for them rather than lashing out.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Discouraging people from talking IS a form of censorship, it doesn't have to be a direct "you can't speak here". I'm just suggesting a change in the OP making it clear that non-staff can participate if they're not disruptive and are contributing to the thread.

I'm not accusing people of censorship, at least not intentionally, as I have no idea if that was done intentionally or not, and I assume that it isn't. It's not clear that non-staff are allowed to comment, quite the opposite, as it's stated twice that it's staff only, once in the title and once, in bold, at the start of the first paragraph, which comes off as an attempt at censorship.

I'm not lashing out at anyone, i'm just trying to make things as clear and honest as possible, as they come off as dishonest. If that wasn't the intention, then there shouldn't be any issue with a simple clarification that makes things look better for staff in general, as there's already active distrust and unrest in the community concerning what staff have power to do and how they use it.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I will apologize and admit that my report was rash and unjustified, I was upset and heated when I posted that and that does not justify doing what I did

For what it's worth, I am sorry LordGinSama

 

[Crabwhale]

Discouraging people from talking IS a form of censorship, it doesn't have to be a direct "you can't speak here". I'm just suggesting a change in the OP making it clear that non-staff can participate if they're not disruptive and are contributing to the thread.

I'm not accusing people of censorship, at least not intentionally, as I have no idea if that was done intentionally or not, and I assume that it isn't. It's not clear that non-staff are allowed to comment, quite the opposite, as it's stated twice that it's staff only, once in the title and once, in bold, at the start of the first paragraph, which comes off as an attempt at censorship.

I'm not lashing out at anyone, i'm just trying to make things as clear and honest as possible, as they come off as dishonest. If that wasn't the intention, then there shouldn't be any issue with a simple clarification that makes things look better for staff in general, as there's already active distrust and unrest in the community concerning what staff have power to do and how they use it.

By that definition you may as well call every single staff thread ever made censorship when that is not why they exist, at all. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, you can talk all you want so long as you have the vouching of a staff member. Which if you're relevant and productive to the conversation, you should have no difficulty getting. This is how we do things, this is how we've always done things and it's not new nor obscure information.

And yes, the community has an active distrust of staff. What a surprise. That has literally always been there from day one, and no matter what we do we cannot stave off that sentiment. What we have done however is despite what some people tell you is create a fairly fair environment for debating so long as your polite and stick to the rules, at least in principle if not always in practice.

This wouldn't bother me if it didn't take, what, several clicks and one adequately written message to a staff member to debunk? To have your voice heard? That's not censorship, by any definition.

 

[LordGinSama]

I will apologize and admit that my report was rash and unjustified, I was upset and heated when I posted that and that does not justify doing what I did

For what it's worth, I am sorry LordGinSama

Aye don't sweat it ily homie.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Dude.

 

[Axxtentacle]

By that definition you may as well call every single staff thread ever made censorship when that is not why they exist, at all. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, you can talk all you want so long as you have the vouching of a staff member. Which if you're relevant and productive to the conversation, you should have no difficulty getting. This is how we do things, this is how we've always done things and it's not new nor obscure information.

No, as by technicality, people are allowed to talk in this specific thread. It's just not obvious, and i'm saying it should be. There's 2 direct statements saying that only staff are allowed, and those are the most obvious parts of the OP.

And yes, the community has an active distrust of staff. What a surprise. That has literally always been there from day one, and no matter what we do we cannot stave off that sentiment. What we have done however is despite what some people tell you is create a fairly fair environment for debating so long as your polite and stick to the rules, at least in principle if not always in practice.

All I was saying is that it comes off as censorship for this thread to defend it by saying by technicality, non-staff can comment. I'm just saying that it should be obvious to people that they can, when it isn't. If anything, it would be a smart move to make it obvious that there isn't any malicious intent here, and no attempt at censorship.

This wouldn't bother me if it didn't take, what, several clicks and one adequately written message to a staff member to debunk? To have your voice heard? That's not censorship, by any definition.

People shouldn't have the confusion there to begin with. It should be obvious to people that they are allowed to speak. Discouraging people from speaking IS a form of censorship. "Censorship is when an authority (such as a government or religion) cuts out or suppresses communication", "suppresses" proves my point here. It doesn't have to be a direct cut-out, but it suppresses the communication nonetheless.

I'm going to stop responding here because this isn't what this thread is for, and i'd rather not break the rules or make any more of a scene than there already is.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Matt, elsewhere.

Everyone else, move on. We have enough of a shit show as is.

 

[Purgy]

Staff members really deleted his nazi comment and my response.

As if it could get any worse.

 

[Mr._Bambu]

Staff members really deleted his nazi comment and my response.

As if it could get any worse.

Apologies if you deem it inappropriate, though seems to me yelling at each other without substance only serves to start shit and clog the RvT. If a real, actual report is being made, make it. Otherwise, adding your commentary to fuel the flames isn't going to help. Again, apologies, but frankly a single garbage fire seems enough for one day.

 

[LordGinSama]

Handle this shit out of the public, seriously you've been a staff member for years. You aren't a fucking savage so stop acting like it.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Not gonna lie, what Matt said was not Ok at all, even if he was heated

 

[Mr._Bambu]

The person who says shit like this is absolutely undeserving of my respect or tolerance:

Spoiler

Defending Child Pornography:

Blatant racism:

DEFENDING THE KKK BECAUSE THEY'RE CHRISTIAN:

Anti-Feminist Christian Fundamentalism:

Islamophobia and belief in White Genocide conspiracy theories:

Transphobia / Belief that the LGBTQ are "Corrupting the Youth" conspiracy theories:

A lot of these are old and they're off-site, and I don't expect absolutely anything to be done about it nor do I see any real consequences falling on Lina because the moderation on VBW is terrifyingly soft and innefective and scared of punishing people, but I do not give him neither my respect nor my tolerance.

I am not asking or expecting you to give him respect or tolerance. I am asking you not to fuel a fire that doesn't need burning here. You should know we've handled this sort of shit in the past. Not in front of people trying to start a witch hunt. I am in awe of you trying to say the staff refuse to act on these things given the strides we've made in the past. Seriously, this is fucking baffling behavior. You know the appropriate channels, use them or don't.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Okay we're now getting to very big levels of toxicity that we shouldnt even be on the road to approching here.....

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

This is by no means appropriate staff behavior, I mean legitimately what the hell just happened here

 

[DragonGamerZ913]

All I'm saying is that I don't care what crap happened before, take it somewhere else. Oh my god this is not a good look

 

[DragonGamerZ913]

You are bringing in outside stuff onto the wiki when it is completely unnecessary. If you want to criticize them, do it somewhere else off the wiki. Calling them a nazi is also a terrible look on you.

Why do I have to be the guy to say this?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah, lets not do this in public at all. Please lets drop this.

 

[Purgy]

Anyway, you should probably heed Mr._Bambu's advice and stop posting, you'll just end up making yourself look worse.

 

[LordGinSama]

Is it bad optics, is that it? Criticizing a problematic, previously perma-banned user for their problematic statements and racism is a bad look? I genuinely don't see how this is bad.

No but it sends a very bad precedent especially considering that you were at one point a respectful Admin. You got demoted for a good reason and it was because of your behavior, bringing information like this into the public spotlight is blatantly awful optics and I'm gonna be honest, this is a new low even for you Matt.

 

[DragonGamerZ913]

I would love to drop this frankly.

 

[LordGinSama]

Anyway here's Wonderwall

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Me to this whole situation right now

 

[Omnitraxus100]

Hello guys, SuperBearNeo here and I didn't want to come back here...But someone is essentially framing a friend and misrepresenting them @Matthew_Schroeder

(I'm speaking via a friend's account; If my friend's account gets banned for this message and or having assiocation with me, so be it, I don't care + He also said he doesn't care)

Matt, first and foremost, I would advice cutting the lies cause I know Lina myself and half the bullshit you are bringing up is out of context and definitely not representative of who Lina is as a person. Let's break this down bit by bit

"Lina defending CP"

Not only do you fail to neglect that Lina was trolling but in the same damn screenshot, Lina is BLATANTLY stating they are playing "Devil's Ad"...Do you not understand what that means or are you genuinely that mentally challenged

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This in no way proves that Lina supports CP and if anything, they are against it based on the talks I've had with them

"Blatant racism"

This one is absolutely stupid. You do realize that I'm black right and Lina has no issues hanging with me and based on the talks I've had with Lina as well. This again isn't them showing bias towards blacks and furthermore you don't account for the fact Lina does say things out of a joking manner too. The fact you don't even provide context on your end makes this much worst

DEFENDING THE KKK BECAUSE THEY'RE CHRISTIAN

Matthew...PLEASE showcase where Lina is defending the KKK here. What Lina is doing is bringing up a point about how they were christian but none of this is literally saying "I'm okay with this CAUSE they are Christian". This is literal lies on your own Matt and makes your case look weak

The rest of this nonsense is just stuff that either stems from "I don't agree with this political mindset" or is taking something extremely out of context, such as Lina's thoughts on Islam, which BTW, you didn't show a consistency in terms of Lina hating Islam, which even this screenshot doesn't do a good job of doing (Mind you, Lina objectively has basis in this, considering Iran/Iraq doesn't have a formal age of consent, hence why they made that statement and not cause "HURR DURR I HATE MUSLIMS")

We can also talk about this on Discord if you want (Mainly so I don't have to restrict myself), this is a low for you Matt and I already didn't like you, but honestly this is insane

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Me right now

 

[Arcker123]

i thought we agreed to drop this

 

[StarKingDemonLord]

:bruhmoment: :WhatAreYouDoingMan:

 

[LordGinSama]

Criticizing racism and homophobia is a new low, that's amazing!

I know who Lina is. I've seen how he is unfiltered in Discord Servers and I don't retract a single word I said about him,

Okay dude I'm gonna be R rated here for a moment if I may, because everyone will agree with me. Matthew, kindly shut the fuck up.

 

[Shmooply]

Man. This month is treating the site real bad, huh?

Please, just drop this whole petty stuff before it devolves into something absolutely horrendous.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This site is entering a bad place.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

We should clam down

 

[MikeBro25]

Yeah this is gonna get heated and watch as wikis and youtubers is gonna use this to shame the website.

So drop this NOW

 

[Shmooply]

Yeah this is gonna get heated and watch as wikis and youtubers is gonna use this to shame the website

One more bloodless wound added to the site's already low reputation.

 

[Omnitraxus100]

Criticizing racism and homophobia is a new low, that's amazing!

I know who Lina is. I've seen how he is unfiltered in Discord Servers and I don't retract a single word I said about him,

I don't give a shit what YOU feel, this isn't about that, this is about blantant lies on YOUR end and how it has been harming a friend of mines. That shit is low as hell and nobody should tolerate it, Lina nor myself, aka a friend of them and someone who knows them argubably better than you

But since everyone is asking to drop this, I will if you do and I'll leave this site again and for good like before. I only asked my friend to use this account to speak, because this lying bs is low

 

[Mr._Bambu]

I really wish I didn't have to step in again, it had been cooling off.

All of you, stop spamming the RvT. I understand you think you're trying to help by saying "let's move on"- you are not. It has been said to death now. So practice what you preach. Let this return to the actual intended purpose of rule violation reports. It's getting annoying. Those of you with something to actually contribute to a potential rule violation, given that this seems to be an extraordinarily caustic situation, I'd like to ask you to compile shit and bring it to either myself (given that I'm already involved in this mess, it seems) or Human Resources.

Any more posting about this shite on here is just going to be deleted. Doesn't matter what the content of said message is. This is in the interest of moving on to productive things, not censorship or whatever people would like to call it. Thank you for participating, kindly move along.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Okay, I'm really burned out as I just got back from work and the very first thing that pops up is storms left and right.

But I do not know full context of the incident, but this is not the place to just blow up. What Matthew Schroeder just did instead of uploading it on Imgur or Gyazo and simply linking the URL like what any level headed person would do knowing Fandom's TOS. That is global ban worthy offence right there.

I also have been missing out on the Bleach thread, but it has been discussed among staff in private. I'm going to look through it all, but the borderline harassment on all sides needs to be dropped. Some of the people in the group discussing it privately are also HR groups and we've even been trying to warn Matt not to do anything. And yes he did cross over the line at this point we agree. But in the end, please stop spamming his thread till the Bureaucrats and HR Group can properly grasp the situation.

Edit: Ninja'd by Mr Bambu.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I more or less agree with the general consensus here, can we please (repeatedly) not turn the RvR (or other threads) into empty arguments riddled with insults, hatred and anger please?

We're supposed to be having fun debating about our favourite fictional verses/characters not stirring up a tidal wave of animosity that'll only lead to more trouble in the future, I understand folks are going through a rough patch right now but its not an excuse to take out on each other.

At this point we shouldn't be fighting like this moreover this kinda behaviour will only fuel the divide in the forum and no good will come from it!

Also I apologize if I contributed to the derail on this thread but I'm just tired of this constant cycle of misery...

 

[AKM sama]

I'll just leave a very polite message here in response to what was brought up previously by Axxtentacle and someone else. People are acting like this is the first ever staff thread made and somehow their right to speech has been taken away and it is "censorship". Anyone who spends a month in this forum knows that there is an unspoken rule about the staff only threads, that if you actually bother to write detailed and constructive arguments on the topic of the thread, your comment IS NOT DELETED. Nobody deletes a comment that has the relevant points related to the OP. But you'd know that if you bothered to make a well-informed argument instead of straight up poisoning the well. Just because some people are given permission to actively argue freely doesn't mean you can't post if you have anything of substance to post. There is a proper channel to do so, just ask any staff to vouch for you. And if you actually bothered to make an effort instead of leaving a comment that had nothing to do with the actual topic of the thread, you'd know.

This isn't something that is happening for the first time and you all know this. But I've noticed that some people ignore that and don't want to address arguments because they just want to cause maximum amount of drama so that things don't progress smoothly, because how dare someone make a thread about downgrading their favorite verse and not let them flood the thread with FRAs, a bunch of irrelevant, inflammable comments, and take away their privilege of stonewalling. If you bothered to take a look at the recent behavior of some people in the Bleach General Discussion Thread, you'd know exactly why it is important to not allow for such behavior in an important thread.

Staff only threads are made so that a proper decision can be reached in peace without the thread getting flooded with thousand comments by people employing every possible tactic to avoid it when things don't go their way, so that everybody involved can actually concentrate on and evaluate the main arguments without having to worry about all that other stuff. If you disagree with the notion of staff only threads as a whole, I am sorry to say but this might not be the best forum for you. Thank you.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

1000% this ^

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Thank you for the post, AKM.

 

[Antvasima]

Friendly reminder that Staff are people too and most of us (Crab included, in the above) actively do not care about Bleach as a verse. They are literally just there to help, make it easy for them rather than lashing out.

I strongly agree with the above sentiments, and all of the above posts by Bambu, AKM, Axiom, Crabwhale, Medeus, and all other who are trying to act like adults, and not turn this community into a toxic antagonistic mess.

Matthew, you wrote a public message calling for peace that I highlighted a few days ago. Please practice what you preach. Thank you.