The possession of Mystic Eyes, abnormal eyes that can influence the World. Rider possesses the Mystic Eyes of Petrification, Cybele, which allow her to petrify anything within her line of sight, even those who aren't looking at her or those with their eyes closed, as they are still looking upon Rider with their mind's eyeKnightOfSunlight said:Uh, dude.
At any point she can take of her blindfold and he dies. She doesn't need line of sight. Picturing the eye in your mind does the trick too.
Or that he doesnt enter her line of vision with the blindfold off, which is entirely possible and fairly likely (as the blindfold is usually removed upward, which would paralyze Gordius bulls first)KnightOfSunlight said:And herein lies the issue. Iskandar winning requires Medusa to never take off her blindfold, which she will inevitably do.
In fact, it's in character for her to ope with that.
Bellerophon is only listed as being able to stop EM with Rho Aias's help, wouldn't that only make it slightly stronger, or am I misunderstanding?LSirLancelotDuLacl said:They are both A+ Anti Army NPs. The one used by normal Saber and Saber Alter is not one bit different. Saber Alter can just spam it. Don't try to use that as a point of comparison.
But while the bulls would already be comparable to the Pegasus, Bellerophon makes the Pegasus even stronger, upgrading all stats by one rank and multiplying it's defensive power already on the level of a dragon by several times. Pegasus by all means should have the advantage.
Understood, Pegasus should have a decent advantageLSirLancelotDuLacl said:As I said, Gordius Wheel and Pegasus are of the same rank. Both got completely destroyed without a chance to do anything by an Excali blast, there's no level of comparison there. Using the Rho Aias case just feels dishonest when weakened Saber completely destroyed Weakened Rider's Pegasus in Fate route.
But again, there's nothing really especial to the bulls, while the Pegasus has his defensive power really emphasized and Bellerophon multiplies it by several times. Beast to beast, the Pegasus should be a bit stronger and have much better defense than the bulls. This is without accounting for Cybele.
That's... not really worth anything. At no point do I remember the writing implying this lasted long. And I don't see Pegasus getting a boost bigger than Excalibur to go from instant wipe in fate to holding on whole seconds. That was just dramatic timing.KnightOfSunlight said:Pegasus wasn't able to overcome it, but it was able to at least hold out under it until Shirou gave it the push in the form of Rho Aias to help. Which makes it superior because Excalibur obliterated VE in a swipe.
This seems incredibly important in dealing with CybeleLSirLancelotDuLacl said:I don't see it making any sort of worthwhile difference, and luck isn't gonna interfere here. What role it could play would be utter speculation.
I was think more along the lines of "Iskandar summons Ionio and Medusa focuses on them while Iskandar get a solid shot off" or "Medusa doesn't start with Cybele and Iskandar blinds her in combat" or something like thatLSirLancelotDuLacl said:Until we see it working on a continuous effect, I am not gonna assume it can do much if anything.
Minor Fate Manipulation can't be ignored, speculation or notKnightOfSunlight said:Luck working in that way is complete speculation and not supported by anything
And if iskandar does pull his RM Medusa is immediately using Cybele and staring straight at him. She's not dumb.
I never once implied that it undid a continued effect, because that's not supported by the showing, I stated it could turn the tide of battle in Iskandar's favorKnightOfSunlight said:No. It can't, but it has never been shown to undo continuous effects as you imply it can. At most it's a quick save against an unbeatable move.
And that's entirely wrong. Medusa would be perfectly capable of tracking Gordius, just like how Arturia can.
Ah.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:In this key she's being fueled by Sakura, so not sure how much does Mana issues trouble her.
If it can sway the battle in his favor even remotely, it's a huge factorLSirLancelotDuLacl said:Except all it did was make Gae Bolg barely not kill Saber, and we have no clue how does it effect anything beyond determined fate bullshit like that. So again, it is worthless because we can't even speculate properly about it.
Still get petrified. Double so because unless they are mages, they get petrified stupidly faster. And the problem here is that Medusa is not nearly so stupid as to see a dude pull out help and a Chariot and just decide to stay on her feat, so Gordius Wheel out means her Pegasus is likely following soon after.
evade inevitable outcomes- this is incredibly useful and to say that something can't happen just because it's never happened before would be an appeal to traditionLSirLancelotDuLacl said:It is not. Among a stupidly huge amount of Servant battles, Luck swaying a battle has never been a thing. Best it does is not make you die. And that was only against one specific ability and then nowhere else. If wr can't even say what it can contribute and how, it is pretry much worthless.
If they can be summoned in different directions, which we never see. And even if they could, Iskander never shows such a tactic. And this would be assuming he even knows what Medusa can do, which he doesn't. There's no outmaneuvering when she merely has to swivel her head a bit to continue aiming and he doesn't know what to expect, gettinf petrified hella fast if he's affected. Strength in numbers doesn't matter when they could attack all day long and do squat to the Pegasus - if they clukd ever reach it, which they can't since it flies.
To say it ONLY applies to magic when that isn't stated anywhere in the description for luck would be false.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:Except said inevitable outcome was forcibly enforced by magic. Not just normal stuff. That luck has never shown affecting. There's no appeal to tradition, it's empirical evidence.
We have all the reason in the world to be when we don't know how far he can summon people, or the fact he has never used such a tactic and that he has no reason to having no knowledge about Medusa, and you are heavily misusing appeal to tradition. Of course we are gonna go by what we've seen him do instead of baseless speculation. And... this matters how when he doesn't know who Medusa is...?
But it didn't blitz, not as far as I remember. She just stood there because she was using Excalibur. And he can't even do that when his mount wouldn't be able to do much to the Pegasus.
I don't think he'd lead with IH, it's primarily reserved for multiple enemies or people he perceives as "worthy". I'm not saying it wouldn't be used early, just not as a lead. It's already been clarified that Pegasus isn't strong enough to obliterate Via Expungio, only beat it, so the army could attack her directly (Iskandar would draw Medusa as close to the ground as possible, or else it'd be impossible for his troops to attack). If she focuses on the army, Iskandar attacks her while she's distracted, potentially getting in major damageMonarch Laciel said:Iskander leads with his army so if it's hit, he's hit too. Even if he's out charging in front of them, she can just Pegasus into him first, obliterate him, and then go on to obliterate the army.
You're also making wild theories to attribute luck with effects beyond what it has actually shown, so those arguments are pretty invalid to put it bluntly.
Just for clarification, GW can't blitz without the use of Via, and that's still being debated, so that may not even be the caseAnonymousBlank said:Not really sure why discussing IH, GW blitzing (somehow) or Luck matters at all. The moment Rider reverted to Sakura, the first thing she did was remove Breaker Gorgon which instagibs anything and everything Iskandar has. Even if we entertained some absurd CIS for Medusa, she bolos him on foot, dodges his chariot, can even take control of it if she wants with Bellerophon, has a far more maneuverable mount, IH can't reach her as Lance loves to point out and Iskandar apparently needs info on her in addition to the CIS to win.
Saber barely finished swinging her sword, and Via started 100 m away. Any closer and Via would have demolished Saber before she could even swing Excalibur, it even says in the show and Iskandar's page he started 100 m away. Not 5 feet, more like 300 ft, and he was still right in front of her by the end of the swing.AnonymousBlank said: