Rick and Morty Revision (Again)

[ShionAH]

• Minor Additions

Age Manipulation (Has an "anti-aging serum", that allows him to be younger) [Rick and Morty Season 7 Episode 10, The Fear Hole]
Adhesive Manipulation (Morty stole an adhesive liquid from Rick to stick a bully into a wall) [Rick and Morty Season 4 Episode 1, Edge of Tomorty: Rick Die Rickpeat]
Sealing (Accidently sealed "Memory Rick" into Jerry's mind, possibly accidently sealed a childs mind into his robot)
Acid Manipulation Bestowal (Gave Jerry the ability to piss Acid)
Additional Portal Creation with the Hell Cube [Rick and Morty Season 5 Episode 5, Amortycan Grickfitti]
Pain and Regret Manipulation (Created an Aversion-Converting Inversion Reverter, which shoots concentrated pleasure-pain inverting shrapnel, which reverts the pleasure from pain back into the pain from pain) [Rick and Morty Season 5 Episode 5, Amortycan Grickfitti]

• Immortality Revision

First of all I want to remove Type 8 due to the fact that Valhalla is REALLY situational and its not even an ability of Rick. Its a verse mechanic. Rick straight up says he cannot normally go to the afterlife.

Add the fact that Rick's mind has to be destroyed to permanently kill him, since we never see his "spirit" get transported only his mind. Which may imply Ricks soul is not important on his survival/operation phoenix. Clones probably have souls but not minds

Another thing is that the profile implies Rick's mind transfers to those clones but it is very much shown to us that Rick specifically needs wires to connect to transfer his mind. Twice.

Immortality (Types 4 & 6) Resurrection (Mid-Godly. Operation Phoenix is Rick's contingency plan for death. Instead of transferring his consciousness into another vessel, Operation Phoenix is designed to recreate his entire being, down to his very essence. If Rick ever runs out of clones, the system automatically reroutes to other versions of Operation Phoenix across the multiverse)

 

[Spinoirr]

Verse location immortality is fine

But only if you say that it can only happen in this location like the rwby gods possibly only having type 4 immortality in the Ever After

Basically to need to say that for that immortality to even work Rick would need to die in battle in that location

 

[ShionAH]

Verse location immortality is fine

It seems pretty useless tbh, Rick cannot even achieve it on his own he had to make quite alot of shit to go inside it

 

[Spinoirr]

It seems pretty useless tbh, Rick cannot even achieve it on his own he had to make quite alot of shit to go inside it

Yeah but if you specify rick has prep time and has everything set up then it should be fine

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah but if you specify rick has prep time and has everything set up then it should be fine

no like what I mean is to even come back from valhalla he needs operation phoenix so it felt kinda redundant

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, why would Operation Phoenix give Mid-Godly Regen? From what I'm seeing Rick get's obliterated, sent to Valhalla, and then just transfers his body from the afterlife. Nothing is shown nor implied his actual soul or mind is getting nuked as well.

 

[ShionAH]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, why would Operation Phoenix give Mid-Godly Regen?

Operation Phoenix is literally rick "recreating" his mind and body, because it is already shown that he is not transferring his mind which makes it that his clones have the same soul and mind as him

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Operation Phoenix is literally rick "recreating" his mind and body, because it is already shown that he is not transferring his mind which makes it that his clones have the same soul and mind as him

Where is that shown or stated then? Because from the clips it just looks like Rick goes to Valhalla and then just beams himself back to earth to enter the clones on standby using Valhalla's energy

Edit: What I mean is nothing is directly showing or stating that Rick's mind is getting remade instead of the more simple answer of transferring, since his soul/mind is never destroyed

 

[ShionAH]

What I mean is nothing is directly showing or stating that Rick's mind is getting remade instead of the more simple answer of transferring, since his soul/mind is never destroyed

Another thing is that the profile implies Rick's mind transfers to those clones but it is very much shown to us that Rick specifically needs wires to connect to transfer his mind. Twice.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

The entire Valhalla episode disprove the idea that the machines recreate his mind/soul. Operation Phoenix doesn't activate until Rick leaves the Valhalla afterlife, if Operation Phoenix did just recreate his mind and soul then his clones would've been activated regardless of his current status since he's dead. So either Rick's soul/mind is transferred over the the clones, or Operation Phoenix is pretty limited and if Rick's mind/soul is impeded in any way then Operation Phoenix just doesn't activate.

Also those examples don't disprove the idea that Operation Phoenix can't transfer his mind since the first one is during the first ever episode for it where it was heavily a work in progress with flaws in it, and the second one is a completely different system that runs on different logic. Plus I kinda doubt Rick keeps Jerry clones

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Actually, now that I think about it, doesn't this mean Summer and Morty should have Operation Phoenix as abilities now since they are connected to the system?

 

[ShionAH]

The entire Valhalla episode disprove the idea that the machines recreate his mind/soul. Operation Phoenix doesn't activate until Rick leaves the Valhalla afterlife, if Operation Phoenix did just recreate his mind and soul then his clones would've been activated regardless of his current status since he's dead.

Pretty sure Rick specifically makes sure Operation Phoenix is off and his mind wont be rerouted to enter Valhalla. So this is moot, plus he literally had to die in a specific place with specific machines with a even more specific situation that he prepared for to even enter Valhalla

Also those examples don't disprove the idea that Operation Phoenix can't transfer his mind since the first one is during the first ever episode for it where it was heavily a work in progress with flaws in it, and the second one is a completely different system that runs on different logic.

This isnt an argument, its just a bunch of assumptions

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Pretty sure Rick specifically makes sure Operation Phoenix is off and his mind wont be rerouted to enter Valhalla. So this is moot, plus he literally had to die in a specific place with specific machines with a even more specific situation that he prepared for to even enter Valhalla

Rick died several times after the fact, with Operation Phoenix online, and was still sent to Valhalla without the system activating. The entire clip you used shows that. So no, it's not a moot point because we see even with the system on Valhalla screws Rick over in some regard.

This isnt an argument, its just a bunch of assumptions

I mean, it's more of an assumption to assume Rick is capable of completely reconstructing the mind, body, and soul which he has no showing outside of Operation Phoenix than it is to assume that he transfers his mind/soul through it which we've seen him do with earlier drafts of it + he's done it with other tech.

 

[ShionAH]

Rick died several times after the fact, with Operation Phoenix online, and was still sent to Valhalla without the system activating. The entire clip you used shows that. So no, it's not a moot point because we see even with the system on Valhalla screws Rick over in some regard.

Yes because the episode takes place in Norway and Rick literally had machines to ensure he would not lose connection to valhalla. This isnt an anti feat, its a verse mechanic and situation.

I mean, it's more of an assumption to assume Rick is capable of completely reconstructing the mind, body, and soul which he has no showing outside of Operation Phoenix than it is to assume that he transfers his mind/soul through it which we've seen him do with earlier drafts of it + he's done it with other tech.

Wait what?? Yes he has no other showing tf is that argument. Anyways for the other stuff thats not what my argument is, we know he needs wires to connect and transfer his mind. So it cannot be just transferral.

I will put you on disagree and just stop arguing since this goes no where

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Yes because the episode takes place in Norway and Rick literally had machines to ensure he would not lose connection to valhalla. This isnt an anti feat, its a verse mechanic and situation.

No, everyone was confused why they were in Valhalla due to The Pope not meeting the normal conditions for it. Rick says in your clip that it's because the Interdimensional Energy probably acts as a conduit to Valhalla, Rick needs to use the Transdimensional Energy Relay in order to go back to Earth and activate Operation Phoenix. Rick didn't have any machine to ensure he wouldn't lose his connection to Valhalla this way, he was just getting hard countered. It being a verse mechanic doesn't change the fact that the status of his mind/soul is still relevant to Operation Phoenix's working conditon.

Wait what?? Yes he has no other showing tf is that argument. Anyways for the other stuff thats not what my argument is, we know he needs wires to connect and transfer his mind. So it cannot be just transferral.

I will put you on disagree and just stop arguing since this goes no where

Just skimmed through the episode for every portion of Operation Phoenix, and yeah no that damn thing doesn't recreate Rick's mind at all. At 7:30 of the episode, Bigfoot is trying to destroy a Rick Clone, however it activates a survival protocol which releases the clone early without the normal Operation Phoenix requirements. That clone was animalistic and couldn't even run properly as it ran into walls and windows, without Rick's mind/soul the clones are practically worthless.

 

[ShionAH]

Just skimmed through the episode for every portion of Operation Phoenix, and yeah no that damn thing doesn't recreate Rick's mind at all. At 7:30 of the episode, Bigfoot is trying to destroy a Rick Clone, however it activates a survival protocol which releases the clone early without the normal Operation Phoenix requirements. That clone was animalistic and couldn't even run properly as it ran into walls and windows, without Rick's mind/soul the clones are practically worthless.

Good argument. This makes sense actually, well done