- 6,453
- 1,187
Three years ago, a thread was made questioning the validity of this calc. I won't bog down on on the details of that discussion, just simply note that the final say was "The statement is too vague to truly quantify the feat since we don't see the feat being done in action but conveyed through a wall of text." Well, I wish to refute that a little by looking at some things involved with that feat.
I first wish to clear up the fact this is not a mistranslation and that the same thing was said in both 3DS Burst and Burst Re:Newel as seen here
This is the specific quote:
Pretty straightfoward right, however let's look at the word for bullet here '銃弾', if it were the general term for bullet it would be '弾丸' but for here it refers to a bullet from a rifle which is a bit more specific than the translation implies. I can only guess that Homura is thinking of this comparing it to bullets from Mirai's rifle, but she could also have had experience with opponents with rifles, there's still nothing to be too sure about.
Another thing I'd like to consider is that ping pong balls aren't exactly that good at holding their momentum when compared to balls that are designed to bounce considering that they are a thin shell of plastic and not made out out of elastic materials that are meant to keep as much momentum as possible. This definitely means that the ball would have been going at very high speeds in order to continuously ricochet around the room for at least 10 seconds (This is based off of timing this playthrough of the ball's sound).
Also there is a way to solve the vagueness of the statement, looking at the possible guns the characters use and using all the guns' muzzle velocities to calculate the reactions. I'll even list some examples:
Mirai
Ryobi's gun: 760 m/s
Now, I had created a calc using these values and more, but I'm not sure if I should show it here since it's going to get nuked to hell with that three year old thread to disprove it if I show it.
Now, when I suggested the idea to use the muzzle velocities of all the possible guns the character would use, I was simply told that the lowest value would end up being the accepted value, but I wish to say that should not be the case. You already have a character casually going at Mach 1.07453 speeds, and considering on incomparison the characters were acting out of surprise, it's dumb and silly to say they reacted below that speed!
And this is a little ranty but there are possible High 3-A feats in Peach Beach Splash, a game where you attack with water guns, characters can do and tank building to city level attacks, and they can create pocket dimensions, but there is no support for the bullet ping pong because "it's too vague"? Honestly, what are we talking about at this point? Senran Kagura at the end of the day isn't the most serious of series, yes it has serious moments but overall it still is a fanservice heavy comedy with characters doing some wacky things. So really if might be better to take the statement at face value as it really doesn't affect too much for stats anyway, most of the values I got in my calc after all were Supersonic anyway.
I first wish to clear up the fact this is not a mistranslation and that the same thing was said in both 3DS Burst and Burst Re:Newel as seen here
This is the specific quote:
Deepl translates it to: The ball or bounces around the walls and floor of the room at high speed. It looks like a bullet.
Pretty straightfoward right, however let's look at the word for bullet here '銃弾', if it were the general term for bullet it would be '弾丸' but for here it refers to a bullet from a rifle which is a bit more specific than the translation implies. I can only guess that Homura is thinking of this comparing it to bullets from Mirai's rifle, but she could also have had experience with opponents with rifles, there's still nothing to be too sure about.
Another thing I'd like to consider is that ping pong balls aren't exactly that good at holding their momentum when compared to balls that are designed to bounce considering that they are a thin shell of plastic and not made out out of elastic materials that are meant to keep as much momentum as possible. This definitely means that the ball would have been going at very high speeds in order to continuously ricochet around the room for at least 10 seconds (This is based off of timing this playthrough of the ball's sound).
Also there is a way to solve the vagueness of the statement, looking at the possible guns the characters use and using all the guns' muzzle velocities to calculate the reactions. I'll even list some examples:
Mirai
- Gunbrella: 285 m/s, 298.704 m/s, 280 m/s to 366 m/s, 1210 m/s, 375 m/s to 285 m/s to 400 m/s, 400 m/s, and 1530 m/s to 1640 m/s to 1650 m/s to 1750 m/s
- Heavy Machine Gun: 850 m/s, 853 m/s, and 890 m/s, 1010 m/s
- Minigun: 1030 m/s, 820 m/s to 850 m/s, 887 m/s
Now, I had created a calc using these values and more, but I'm not sure if I should show it here since it's going to get nuked to hell with that three year old thread to disprove it if I show it.
Now, when I suggested the idea to use the muzzle velocities of all the possible guns the character would use, I was simply told that the lowest value would end up being the accepted value, but I wish to say that should not be the case. You already have a character casually going at Mach 1.07453 speeds, and considering on incomparison the characters were acting out of surprise, it's dumb and silly to say they reacted below that speed!
And this is a little ranty but there are possible High 3-A feats in Peach Beach Splash, a game where you attack with water guns, characters can do and tank building to city level attacks, and they can create pocket dimensions, but there is no support for the bullet ping pong because "it's too vague"? Honestly, what are we talking about at this point? Senran Kagura at the end of the day isn't the most serious of series, yes it has serious moments but overall it still is a fanservice heavy comedy with characters doing some wacky things. So really if might be better to take the statement at face value as it really doesn't affect too much for stats anyway, most of the values I got in my calc after all were Supersonic anyway.
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