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To be fair the Bullshit anime swordsman that can cut through anything isn't too rare of a trope in the medium.

Anyways what's Reid's starting move/how's he going to respond to meeting someone at his level
 
Interesting match.

Reid starts with concept cutting. He definitely wouldn't be playing around here, his intuition would tell him Juuzou is a threat.

I see this match devolving into another skillslop, inevitable when dealing with the pinnacle of skill in Re Zero, who is infinitely above other skilled people...
 
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Something something took 800 years to learn to cut concepts vs took 3 months to learn to cut concepts idfk
"Ya're ******* pathetic, ya prick. How long have ya held a sword, ya prick? Only been three months since I first picked up a sword, ya prick. I've cut down light, the ****'ve ya cut down?" –Re:Zero Volume 22, Chapter 5, "Julius Juukulius"
 
Looking at the profiles again, it's insane how they much they counter other, like if we just look at the powers, can't see how it would be anything other than an incon, they both will just keep pulling off new stuff, and countering each other.

Juuzoou has the higher ap, which is an advantage, but doesn't really matter when these guys can just 1 shot each other. Reid has higher lifting strength, but won't really matter unless Reid goes to grapple him or something.

This is where I think we would have to go into skillslop, who exactly is better at doing what they do.

I think the infamous Re Zero rain dodging feats come in.... Juuzou is good but has he ever dealt with an an opponent who can dodge literally rain? Does his RE show anything comparable to that?

Ignoring that infamous feat, something that really sticks out for Reid is his bs intuition. It's so good he can find someone who he has never even meet before, dodge invisible sniper fire coming from all directions, figured out the ability of someone who was time looping, know that someone is the same as someone else he saw before despite their appearance and soul changing etc.

I guess being able to intuitively grasp his opponents weak points, seeing the optimal path to victory etc, could be useful too. We could also go into the whole Reid being able to simulate like a 100 million different ways to beat Juuzou.

Side note, for a guy as skilled as Juuzou, how does he not have info analysis or analytical prediction? I am sure it exists in verse, so he probably could adapt to that sort of stuff, still looks odd to me.
 
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In fairness, Juuzou's reactive evolution already has feats of countering stuff like Precog that allowed another being to easily dodge all his strikes which is why he already has resistance to Analytical prediction on his profile

For Context, Ikku who had uploaded himself to the Internet & gained full control of all it's infrastructure, allowing him to basically use 58% of all of humanities computing resources (which for added context is future tech since UQ Holder takes place in the future and further he had advanced it in the 4 decades he had with it) to easily predict exactly what an opponent would do but Juuzou pretty much instantly adapted to that

Juuzou's reactive evolution just has feats like that where he's encountered something for the first time and instantly bypasses (See Baa'l, Karin and Gengoro's invulnerabilities)
 
In fairness, Juuzou's reactive evolution already has feats of countering stuff like Precog that allowed another being to easily dodge all his strikes which is why he already has resistance to Analytical prediction on his profile

For Context, Ikku who had uploaded himself to the Internet & gained full control of all it's infrastructure, allowing him to basically use 58% of all of humanities computing resources (which for added context is future tech since UQ Holder takes place in the future and further he had advanced it in the 4 decades he had with it) to easily predict exactly what an opponent would do but Juuzou pretty much instantly adapted to that

Juuzou's reactive evolution just has feats like that where he's encountered something for the first time and instantly bypasses (See Baa'l, Karin and Gengoro's invulnerabilities)
yeah Reid also has reactive evolution but he would have the initial advantage due to his precog and Godly intuition
which i think would tip the scale to his favour since this match would probably end in a few moves (if it doesnt then it literally goes on for a while till one of them drops)
if Reid starts to lose in anyway he would also gain a blitzing amp so that would probably also cause him to win
 
Reid also has reactive evolution but he would have the initial advantage due to his precog and Godly intuition
The relevance of Reid's reactive evolution to this fight depends on what his actual feats with it are and whether they in comparable to what Juuzou has shown with his Reactive Evolution.

I'm the guy working on UQ Holder profiles but haven't reached Gengoro's yet (he's next) so to give you an idea of how his Clairvoyance & info analysis works & Hoe Juuzou ignored it
Despite these Gengoro couldn't sense Juuzou nor even realize that Juuzou would bypassed his invulnerability simply by reading his abilities

Though that's besides the point, the main thing here is that Juuzou can evolve in response to analytical skills & prediction in a short order of time.
which i think would tip the scale to his favour since this match would probably end in a few moves (if it doesnt then it literally goes on for a while till one of them drops)
if Reid starts to lose in anyway he would also gain a blitzing amp so that would probably also cause him to win
I think a quicker match would be in Reid's best interest while a longer more drawn out stamina intensive one would more benefit Juuzou. Juuzou has the direct feats showing he can adapt to analytical prediction in short order and has a resistance to it already + Juuzou's reactive Evolution also provides him with speed amps such as when Ikku essentially brought in a new faster body to fight Juuzou so Juuzou became fast enough that his swordsmanship started to blitzed Nikitis' Perception
 
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The relevance of Reid's reactive evolution to this fight depends on what his actual feats with it are and whether they in comparable to what Juuzou has shown with his Reactive Evolution.
All of his skills have been developed and perfected in just 3 months of training.
Even if you give Theresia, who is a skill god herself, an eternity she wouldn't be able to reach his level
IF you give Ram, also a skill god, an eternity she would never be able to reach Theresia's level
Just him doing anything will automatically make it the most optimal way of doing that thing
I'm the guy working on UQ Holder profiles but haven't reached Gengoro's yet (he's next) so to give you an idea of how his Clairvoyance & info analysis works & Hoe Juuzou ignored it

Despite these Gengoro couldn't sense Juuzou
Reid only needs to look to get all of that + the exact spot he needs to strike to one shot and even how to swing his sword
Also, quoting zab:
Reid himself deduced via intuition that an imperceptable soul-connection that was consigning Ram's physical burden to Subaru must exist, and that he should cut it. Even more insane is that Cecilus, whom is vastly below Reid, identified the nature of Al's Authority by sheer guesswork.
he can just use his intuition and win since jozo doesnt have a counter
nor even realize that Juuzou would bypassed his invulnerability simply by reading his abilities

Though that's besides the point, the main thing here is that Juuzou can evolve in response to analytical skills & prediction in a short order of time.
perhaps, but i dont think he could adapt to godly intuition
I think a quicker match would be in Reid's best interest while a longer more drawn out stamina intensive one would more benefit Juuzou. Juuzou has the direct feats showing he can adapt to analytical prediction in short order and has a resistance to it already + Juuzou's reactive Evolution also provides him with speed amps such as when Ikku essentially brought in a new faster body to fight Juuzou so Juuzou became fast enough that his swordsmanship started to blitzed Nikitis' Perception
Eugard got blitzed and was getting stomped by halibel but grew and got to his level mid combat
Reid, if pushed to his limits similar to how Eugard was, would also gain on the same level as, if not better AD than Eugard
there is also Theresia who surpassed her peak when faced against Reinhard Van Astrea when she was pushed to her limits
Wilhelm (her husband) also blitzed someone comparable to him when he was pushed to his limits
So if anything, Reid will be able to keep up with no difficulty since he upscales to them
 
All of his skills have been developed and perfected in just 3 months of training.
Even if you give Theresia, who is a skill god herself, an eternity she wouldn't be able to reach his level
IF you give Ram, also a skill god, an eternity she would never be able to reach Theresia's level
Just him doing anything will automatically make it the most optimal way of doing that thing
Non of these are reactive evolution feats... Yes if Theresia and Ram trained for an eternity they will never be able to cut concepts, that's not particularly shocking or strange news - Points for Juuzou though, seeing as how unlike anyone here he was completely untalented from the start but still brute forced his way to that level

Back to the point at hand, I don't see how any of this is relevant to my question - the first 3 point are completely irrelevant to reactive evolution and the last is just marginally breaching into adaptation & Accelerated Development rather than reactive evolution.
Also the reasoning for him having Reactive Evolution provided seems extraordinarily lackluster - Inventing a new style of doing something that's more optimal & efficient is more like adaptation than reactive evolution seeing as how this is on the Reactive Evolution page
This ability is also similar to Adaptation, but with the powers & resistances gained being more varied and extreme, rather than simply adapting to better utilize one's resources to survive environments or having only occasionally grown new abilities or resistances
Reid is not gaining a new ability or resistance, he simply better performing what he could already do before - Inventing a new way of taking long strides that's more efficiently & better isn't the same as getting a new power that counter something that affected him or becoming resistant to what affected him prior

The second part of the explanation revolving around scaling to Elsa & Ley tbh isn't reactive evolution in their case seeing as non of them have that on their profiles & the feat's listed for both wouldn't even qualify for Reactive Evolution either way...

Though even if we were to ignore everything I've said here, I'm still not seeing any feats of Reactive Evolution that Reid or anyone he's skill scaling to have that's comparable to Juuzou
Reid only needs to look to get all of that + the exact spot he needs to strike to one shot and even how to swing his sword
he can just use his intuition and win since jozo doesnt have a counter
Gengoro also just needs to look to read out a literal word for word list of Juuzou's abilities based on the words data (the true source of Gengoro's powers is actually rewriting the world as an inferior fiction from a world he designates as a superior reality) yet still couldn't and again Juuzou has reactive evolution feats of countering Analytical Prediction + an already stated resistance to it
perhaps, but i dont think he could adapt to godly intuition
I'm fairly certain he can, He's adapted to hax that's more esoteric like Karin's invulnerability and again even calculation based analytical prediction backed by 58% of a futuristic humanities computing resources in a matter of moments
Eugard got blitzed and was getting stomped by halibel but grew and got to his level mid combat
Reid, if pushed to his limits similar to how Eugard was, would also gain on the same level as, if not better AD than Eugard
there is also Theresia who surpassed her peak when faced against Reinhard Van Astrea when she was pushed to her limits
Wilhelm (her husband) also blitzed someone comparable to him when he was pushed to his limits
So if anything, Reid will be able to keep up with no difficulty since he upscales to them
That's fair, I don't really expect him not to be able to keep up at some point in the fight or anything like that, I just think they will remain comparable in speed even as the fight progresses
 
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damn i forgor abt this thread
lets continue
from what i see it looks like this fight is most likely going to be incon
 
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