Regarding "Taken as a joke" profiles in the wiki

[Bobsican]

This has been brought up as that it needs to be updated:

"Preferably avoid adding character profiles that may be inappropriate or perceived to be in poor taste. This may include characters, weapons, etcetera, that are ill-suited for a statistics-indexing wiki, due to having no reliable feats, or ones from media which may be too controversial or otherwise unnecessary to be featured. This includes content that would strictly be added as a joke, for example Barney the dinosaur or the Teletubbies."- Editing Rules

What exactly applies as "a joke"? Especially considering we have profiles that fit the criteria and have been accepted anyways. Aka, this many o here.

 

[AguilaR101]

any of your suggestions

 

[Bobsican]

Possible, but the phase needs to be more elaborated as a "joke" is very subjetive by itself, that and the fact staff takes care already should some mean stuff happen.

 

[Elizhaa]

In any case, I believe this rule is now outdated with the Standard Battle Assumptions's rule about the state of mind, which make them willing to kill. So, less Spite Thread will happen.

• State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.
  Furthermore characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.

 

[DMUA]

Well, it's as loose as the conception of humor

But the main idea is if the profile is purely a joke

For example, Ovo was made for the meme, but his profile lists everything straight up.

Meanwhile, profile made for memes and have wanked profiles like....

....

Actually pretty sure the line between Barney and Ovo is arbitrary honestly

 

[Bobsican]

Which users should I contact so they give input here? Antvasima is a must for sure.

 

[DMUA]

Ant will find his way here anyways

Dunno if there are any specific mentions

 

[Bobsican]

Maybe some Discussion Moderators should do the job, as the area they work in is mainly this sort of stuff.

 

[Andytrenom]

This really feels like a very arbitrary rule.

If there are inherent issues to featuring these characters, then I would like to see an explanation of what they are. Because right now it feels more like bias against a certain type of character than an actual safety precaution.

 

[Elizhaa]

Any staffs will do for approval, Bobsica.

 

[Bobsican]

In that case, there´s no need for further contacting, they´ll just notice this is around via the tags.

Thanks for the support.

 

[Elizhaa]

Not really, it is better to ask for their inputs.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, I will.

 

[Elizhaa]

Good luck!

 

[Elizhaa]

Also here you can see which staffs are present so it better to ask them:

• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges

 

[Bobsican]

Just contacted Sera EX, Wokista and Theglassman12 to share some thoughts, the best is to wait for now.

 

[Elizhaa]

Sera EX is out until the new year; She mentioned this on an announcement thread.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm neutral regarding this, but I think it's how the profile is made is what matters. Like the statistics should be based on clear cut feats or calcable feats; not some random joke/gag feats. The Thomas profile actually did do some calcs and made with some form of professional effort, but Barney the Dinosaur once had a Galaxy level rating based on a feat that was too vague and probably just a bad joke.

So, it really depends on context.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, she is very knowledgeable and wise on this topic, so that´s why I bothered to contact her.

In that case, I´ll also contact PaChi2 too.

 

[Bobsican]

Also, Galaxy Barney!? Please give more info here, as the thread turned into a Barney CRT somehow.

Anyways, we still need more input, TBH.

 

[Elizhaa]

DarkDragonMedeus , I agree that we should go with consistent feats.

Bobsican, the CRT is not about Barney, it is better to conclude this one first.

 

[Bobsican]

Of course, that´s why I linked to another thread to continue that thing separately.

 

[Starter_Pack]

I mean...if the profile has legitimate feats and comes from a completely original source, like Thomas or Shrek or whoever, I don't see why they can't be allowed. Being a "joke profile" shouldn't mean that they are automatically destined for the Joke Battles Wiki, unless they are writte as a joke.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm neutral regarding this, but I think it's how the profile is made is what matters. Like the statistics should be based on clear cut feats or calcable feats; not some random joke/gag feats. The Thomas profile actually did do some calcs and made with some form of professional effort, but Barney the Dinosaur once had a Galaxy level rating based on a feat that was too vague and probably just a bad joke.

So, it really depends on context.

I can agree with this, but we preferably need input from several more administrators.

 

[PaChi2]

The answer is simple:

Are the profile's current explanations, ratings and powers suited for VsBW? Then it stays.

Are the blahblahblah suited for JokeBattles wiki? Then it has to go.

For example Mr. Popo and the joke battles version of meme Mr. Popo. If the profile includes memes and comical stuff it is not reliable and thus does not belong here.

 

[Bobsican]

I think we already got more than enought input.

I´ll even do a summary of the stuff overall:

The rule should just be edited to something like this:

"Preferably avoid adding character profiles that may be inappropriate or perceived to be in poor taste. This may include characters, weapons, etcetera, that are ill-suited for a statistics-indexing wiki, due to having no reliable feats, or ones from media which may be too controversial or otherwise unnecessary to be featured. This includes content that would strictly be done as a joke (Which would belong in Joke Battles Wikia instead), for example TFS Mr. Popo, which is far different than a "actual" profile."

 

[DMUA]

for example TFS Mr. Popo

Fixed that link bucaroo

 

[Andytrenom]

Did you?

 

[Bobsican]

Sorry, I´m still practicing that thing.

At least I just edited it to be fixed.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems less example-specific:

"Preferably avoid adding character profiles that may be inappropriate or perceived to be in poor taste. This may include characters, weapons, etcetera, that are ill-suited for a statistics-indexing wiki, due to having no reliable feats, or ones from media which may be too controversial or otherwise unnecessary to be featured. This includes pages that would strictly be written as a joke, and as such more suitably belong in the Joke Battles wiki."

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I agree with this. It doesn't matter how a profile is used, as long as it's written as any serious profile would be. Anyone making a joke profile just gets the boot, no need to ban profiles to "prevent" it.

 

[Wokistan]

While I'd be okay with this Barney file, and ant's revision here, remember that on vsbw you have to actually prove the character has these abilities. If you are to migrate Barnet you're gonna be hard pressed to keep stuff like conceptual immortality.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, I was just removing the wank anyways.

"He comes to life through a child's imagination"

So long a child knows who Barney is and is willing to make him back, Barney gets conceptual immortality.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean...if the profile has legitimate feats and comes from a completely original source, like Thomas or Shrek or whoever, I don't see why they can't be allowed. Being a "joke profile" shouldn't mean that they are automatically destined for the Joke Battles Wiki, unless they are writte as a joke.

^ This.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'd be okay with profiles for anything I guess, but don't we have to keep up a standard? People come here looking for the level of characters that are...not this. People come here and see Barney, we might not be taken seriously. Think Death Battle compared to Animation Rewind.

If everyone else is okay with it, sure. Just pointing this out.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Cal plz. That's an even worse argument than the one currently used. If we kicked out characters just because they're not "serious", that'd be silly.

 

[Andytrenom]

I'd more worried if people do start taking this site seriously lol.

 

[Antvasima]

@Andytrenom

True enough. This is an entertainment wiki after all.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we replace the regulation text with my new version?

 

[Bobsican]

So should we replace the regulation text with my new version?

Probably, just also add a link to Joke Battles Wikia so questions made by new users about stuff like "What is Joke Battles Wikia?" don´t needlessly pop up.