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Regarding Invincible's Planet Busting Feat

PTSOXMONKEY99

PTSOXMONKEY99

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So I was talking to someone the other day about the time Invincible and Co. destroyed a planet when they made an interesting point. The destruction of Planet Viltrum was not caused solely because Invincible, Omni-Man and the other Viltrumite crashed through it. It was caused by Invincible, Omni-Man, the other Viltrumite, AND a blast from Space Racer's gun.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/lm5Yiy7T0V...BrpJ24vJiJXdvFUxIIvq3GtMAPCbqR95IEobSVgiY5=s0

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Add5f2GoQB...HSBeJbn0Tkf-B37lcc1BrWJB_ehu3hcN_JEZlAR2KG=s0

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/xG38fC-Dj3...ObqvWW9tUhVVWZxnOKwWJMl0rq9FcbIWvYDRYz9Xj_=s0

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/psjdztXWUn...vwPOwIVqDMQEKMn94OG7opXZJRRzNIJVnbWUmROvEB=s0

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/FpmXeq8wr3...BAXEK-cYT-c0uYVWX7_eqY-LiMpm0eARlMUnmKttyN=s0

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/rd7RjtbY4M...vxP471n_SIg_S9bTwD1PHMrglwkeVrOW5Rf-ap7vNs=s0

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/bddVzhXHi4...B2syT617Mcbcdsj5HfMvjwusopePf0JNygd-QQhm6p=s0

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/hjPzpG7hsr...uoVHA3sObeJGTaEOP4rbm34ZJVvBUcA9kei78tDsSq=s0

So it really wasn't just them, they required the beam to cut through the crust and expose the core.

Also, here is a description from Omni-Man of the potency of Space Racer's gun. Even though Omni-Man is an overall serious character and isn't known for exaggerating, I think this could be a hyperbole, but it could be useful to understand how deadly a hit from this gun is, considering how it tears through Viltrumite's bodies

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/5YTotVmZCc...oEg6_ySFTmeARBKJkwoJY438O3XQIQTPzerufYCAMf=s0

So this would probably be a downgrade for the verse as a whole.

Please tell me what you think
 
Hmm. This seems reasonable.

Would downgrading Invincible, Omni-Man, Thragg, and Allen (possibly others as well) to "At most Planet level" be more appropriate, or do we have better gauges to go by?
 
I don't know if At most Planet level would work, as they fearedthey would die if the planets core resolidified. His other best feat is surviving a bomb that destroyed Vegas.
 
But they did survive the resulting shockwave and explosion of the planet, which actually did turn it into chunks of crust and dust.

I think at most planet level works for now unless someone wants to try and quantify the feat.

However, Invincible did receive an upgrade recently that he claims made him stronger, but I think we should wait and see what he accomplishes before making any decisions.

Also, I kind of think the Invincibleverse needs a clean up. Most of the characters are either left at "Unknown" or have bad powerscaling. Why is Bulletproof at City to Country level for being able to "slightly" harm Invincible, and then has City to Continent level durability for taking enraged blows from Invincible? Why is his speed at Massively Hypersonic with no explanation whatsoever?
 
But part of his Large Planet level justification comes from keeping up with Omni-Man, whose greatest feat is currently being examined.

Also, as aforementioned, the scaling in the Imageverse is pretty wonky. There are times when guys like Best Tiger, a peak human/low super human can solo entire teams of superhumans, then you have a version of Invincible who apparently killed SPAWN in a different universe.
 
Yes, scaling between different, normally unconnected, parts of Image, is unreliable at best.

Erik Larsen once explained it as that the titles all take place in their own worlds, but contain copies of other creators' characters as well.

These copies seem to be scaled in relation to other characters of whichever title they appear in however.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
But part of his Large Planet level justification comes from keeping up with Omni-Man, whose greatest feat is currently being examined.

Also, as aforementioned, the scaling in the Imageverse is pretty wonky. There are times when guys like Best Tiger, a peak human/low super human can solo entire teams of superhumans, then you have a version of Invincible who apparently killed SPAWN in a different universe.
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Well its a kind of commom in comics, see Batman, Deathstroke, Capitain America...

And in other hand, that a different version of Invencible and a different version of Spawn, we can assume their powers or if its really happen
 
But you get what I'm saying, with how scaling in Image is really weird? There should be no way for normal humans/ low super humans like Best Tiger and Rexsplode to kill numerous Invincible's in the Invincible War like they did.

Also, that version of Invincible went on record and said that he killed the Spawn of his universe..... only to be killed by the Spawn of Mark's universe. But you see what I'm saying?
 
Beast Tiger did not kill any of the invincible versions and Rex can only kill one with a suicide attack. And yet if they had killed easily this would prove nothing since the verses of the invincible were of differing universes with different levels of power. You quoted the invincible that killed Spaen's version of his universe, but even that argument is invalid since the Spawn of the main universe killed that Invincible of evil. But I do agree that the powerscaling of Image (as well as that of all major comics universes) is very strange.
 
But if Omni-Man is at planet level for fighting Supreme, why did he need help of the Invincible, the other Viltrumite and a blast from Space Racer's gun to destroy Planet Viltrum? It doesn't make sense.

Like Ant said, most of these stories take place in their own world. Perhaps the Omni-Man that fought Supreme was at planet level. But for the Omni-Man in the Invincibleverse, I think a serious downgrade or perhaps a reexamination is in order based on the feat in the OP.
 
I think that the Invincible characters should only by gauged by their feats within the directly related Robert Kirkman comicbooks.
 
Guarding the Globe, Tech Jacket, Brit, Invincible, etcetera.
 
No no, they didnt need help, any one can make that alone, the problem with the feat is the shoot of Space racer, I remember some one saying that they need increse his speed of fly cause the shoot damege the nucleus of Planet and if it solidify they will probably die with the impact
 
Meaning had they tried to blow through the core by themselves, they would have died. He even says that if the core solidified they'd die on impact. They needed the blast from Space Racer to weaken it enough for them to punch through it.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Meaning had they tried to blow through the core by themselves, they would have died. He even says that if the core solidified they'd die on impact. They needed the blast from Space Racer to weaken it enough for them to punch through it.
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It was exactly that was trying to say. The problem is that they have that problem but after this they tanked the explosion. Inconsistant
 
Okay. Feel free to change the relevant pages (Invincible, Allen, Omni-Man, Thragg... Any others?) accordingly then. Are there any other Invincible-related character profiles that need to have their statistics adjusted?
 
Okay, I'll change the most relevant ones for now, but I still think we should get a couple people to help out in a revision for the Imageverse, cause many of the pages are either left at mostly Unknown or have bad powerscaling.
 
Well, the ones that have very bad justifications should be adjusted to Unknown ratings,
 
Good thing first of all, to comment that in the feat of destruction of Viltrum the laser was only a small initial help and it would not have to go down to the Viltrumitas for that, but rather raise them of level by this feat which will explain, it is more the feat Was totally made by the 3 Viltrumites together, confirmed during the number 106 of Invincible. We also have to take into account the context of the destruction of the planet, the Coalition needed to give a lethal blow to the war to end it, faced the best warriors of the Coalition against 50 types that outnumbered them and were their peers in Power, so they needed to give a moral blow to the war and so seize the opportunity to take a lethal blow to change the war in their favor.


Http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DgqTRWUpEAA/UmdSJ6-0CqI/AAAAAAAANgM/eogeJIRxveE/s1600/-013+copy.jpg

Http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SMbx48o4870/UmdSKao6s-I/AAAAAAAANgE/m6WJvyiopWE/s1600/-014+copy.jpg


In addition the 3 Viltrumites, after crossing the planet did not show serious wounds or burns, the only Viltrumite who had doubts and said that they could die was Thadeus who was the weakest Viltrumite of the trio and said it based on his own physical abilities and the Reality is that they continued to fight after crossing the planet against the Viltrumites until it was destroyed and the shock wave of Viltrum only stunned them for a few seconds, also mention as an important fact that Viltrum is a planet that has had for millennia an artificial ring formed of dead bodies of Viltrumites killed during the civil war Viltrumita and has shown no signs that this ring will be undone and no solid planet of our solar system is capable of having an own ring like Viltrum, only the gaseous planets have artificial rings.

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r710/invincipal/07_zps6e22d8ed.jpg

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r710/invincipal/08_zps2e508f92.jpg

http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_tumblr_lwfp3eqsUM1qj9u0so1_r2_500.png


Apart from mentioning that according to the only handbook in the series, made and reviewed by Kirkman himself, since Image's policy is that the authors have the creative rights of their characters and everything related to the character is reviewed and has to go through them and give their permission , Viltrum has an atmosphere similar to Earth and also 125 times the gravity of the planet.

http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_uploads_original_14_147508_4660824_viltrum.png

Otherwise, I'm going to put a scienticalculation that supports the thesis that I am exposing that would be a power up for the Viltrumites, Invincible, Omni Man, Thragg and Tech Jacket.

Calculation.

Mark, Nolan and Thadeus set up the explosion of a supergiant planet like Viltrum (which, yes, is much bigger than the Earth for having a ring for thousands of years and without some signs that it was going to disarm). Just so you can see, a rocky planet bigger than the Earth has shown to possess 17 times its mass although it is only twice its size

They find the first 'mega-Earth': a giant and rocky planet

http://www.tendencias21.net/Encuent...ierra-un-planeta-gigante-y-rocoso_a34386.html

And this info, although not of a page but of a response in YahooAswers, has much foundation and bases of the own wikipedia

As the big planets do not, it is absolutely impossible.
The rings form only below the so-called "Roche Limit", which is the limit of gravitational intensity that allows bodies to maintain their own shape due to gravity.
Below the Roche limit (nearer to the planet) the planet's tidal forces are higher than the forces holding the body together, so any body over that point is completely pulverized.
It is explained in quite detail here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit

Now, on a planet with the mass of the Earth, even if the whole mass were concentrated in a single point, the Roche limit would be very close to the distance of the terrestrial radius, reason why in Earth this "barrier" by Below which it is impossible for bodies to exceed a certain size, and which is what gives rise to the existence of rings, is very close to the surface.
For bodies like the moon it is almost inside the atmosphere itself, and of course there is roche limit for smaller bodies like a spaceship or a meteorite.

On Earth there could theoretically be a ring for example if we were to put the rocks there one by one, and it could be kept stable for some time, but this is not at all a ring like those of the great gaseous planets.
That is, you can never form a ring naturally on Earth.
In large gaseous planets rings form naturally when any body gets too close to the planet. Below the Roche limit of the planet there are satellites, multitude of moons of the planet; Below the Roche limit there is only dust forming rings; It is impossible for there to be any moon because any object that crosses that limit is pulverized and dispersed homogeneously by the orbit.
This can not happen on Earth because there is not enough mass (fortunately, because otherwise we could not be whole on the surface of the planet).

I repeat: the earth does not have Roche's limit for objects the size of an asteroid, so they do not become dust from a ring if they get too close. If I had it we would be pulverized too.
For a very large body like the Moon, there is Roche's limit; If it came closer than 3000 km would also be undone, but if an object of the size reached that distance, the remains would hit the Earth immediately instead of pulverizing and forming a ring.
An impact of an object like the Moon of great could form a ring during a time so brief that it would not come to exist. It would not be stable at all.

Source (s) D: I just read the question better.
A planet of the size and mass of Earth could not have rings.
But a planet the size of the Earth (which is what you ask) yes; Provided the mass was much greater.
A white dwarf could have the size of the earth, and could have rings for a long time.

And for information I just see through this video (which is a reliable channel, none of those videos that put DBZ characters multiversal level) if the Earth or a rocky planet would be the size of Jupiter would only have 7 times Its severity.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hen2JOxe4hw[/URL]

[COLOR=rgb(29,33,41)][FONT=Helvetica]While the gravity of a rocky giant like Viltrum is hundreds of times greater[/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL]http://www.cosmonoticias.org/y-si-la-tierra-fuese-el-doble-de-grande/[/URL]

If the diameter of the Earth were double, that is, over 25,000 kilometers, the mass of the planet would increase eightfold, and the force of gravity on Earth would be twice as strong."

We know that viltrum has an atmosphere and composition equal to the Earth ... in that case the mass of this planet if its gravity was 175 times that of the earth would be 1400 times the mass of the Earth and its diameter of 2229850 km.

[URL]http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/4700832-viltrum.png[/URL]

Using these numbers in this specially designed calculator to see the minimum and maximum power to destroy a celestial body (the internet surprised me again when I found this XDD) you get impressive numbers

Star Wars vs. Star Trek Technology: Planetary Parameter Calculator

Minimum: 3.670E + 43 = 8.7771.510.516.252 zettaton = 8.771 Foe (Mark, Nolan, Oliver, and all Viltrumites, Tech Jacket and Battle Beast resistance)

Individual destructive ability for Mark, Nolan, Thaedus and Space Racer shot = about 2,192 Foe



I will also leave the data for Thragg, which is the most powerful viltrumite of all.

Maximum: 1.987E + 51 = 47.490.439.770.554.490.000 zettaton = 47.490 KiloFoe

It is a feat coconut level level in destructive capacity for Invincible, Nolan and Thadeus a feat of durability large star level for viltrumites, Tech Jacket and Battle Beast! And for Thragg a solar system buster level.

Commenting that the Viltrumites are like the Saiyans and have the ability after a very strong stimulus such as a very hard battle or being on the verge of death and forcing themselves to the maximum in limit situations, their powers increase to a great extent even more with the training, Similar to the zenkai ability of the saiyans and comment that all the Viltrumites are much more powerful currently than during that feat, especially Invincible that has surpassed his father in levels of power and Nolan is equal in power to the Supreme of Liedfeld and tied with the In its batallion and is the most powerful Supreme of all versions of Supreme of the multiverse.

[URL]http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_uploads_original_11111_111113390_4084713_p00016.jpg[/URL]

[URL]http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_uploads_original_11111_111113390_4084714_p00017.jpg[/URL]


[URL]http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_albums_r710_invincipal_P00013_zpsbc575864.jpg[/URL]
 
The OBD calculation resulted in a Planet level rating even while dividing the result by 4, so they should still be Planet level.
 
Dude if it is true that according to the obd would be large planet level, but I do not rely on obd data for the calculation, I rely on scientific data and official data of the handbook, but you have to take into account the powerscaling of feat and That all the characters have grown from power after this feat, especially Mark who is much more powerful than his father and his powers are still going to continue growing since he is still very young for viltrumitas standards and DNA compatibility between the human and the Viltrumita makes in the future the most powerful Viltrumita of all.
 
So what's the current opinion, because I'm still open to any suggestions or options.

Btw, I know about the statement said in issue 106 between Invincible and Omni-Man, but it was part of the reason I made this post, because when I looked at the feat again, I saw that it was inconsistent with what actually happened. Thadeus feared that if they hit the core when it stabilized, they would die. We know from later issues that Thadeus has no issues with casualties, but we do know that his main goal was to cripple the Viltrumite empire. He didn't want them to die before accomplishing that, so that's why he requested Space Racer's assistance.
 
@Nemesis You would need to post that calculation in a blog and get it accepted by the calc group for any upgrades to occurr.

@All I don't think that the OBD's calculation is linked to within the pages in question. I would appreciate if somebody could find it, and fix the problem.
 
Also, there are still several Invincible-verse profiles that cannot be scaled from the title character, and have largely unmotivated ratings. What are we going to do with them? Give all of them unknown ratings?
 
I think that less is more when it comes to profiles. If we don't know the tier of all the characters, it's best to deleted likely unreliable pages.
 
That's sounds good. If they have their own series or have shown to be in a consistent power level, then we can start looking for better feats to help put them in a tier.
 
Also, it might be a good idea to add an "Invincible (Comicbook)" category to all of them, in order to make them easier to find in the future.
 
Well post the calculation on the blog now later, but I do not think the feat is inconsistent if the same Viltrumitas were without injuries after crossing the planet and they mention that they destroyed Viltrum, is something that confirms that the laser was only a small Help initial let's not forget that laser is capable of doing one shot and destroy stars and planets something that I do not see inconsistent, given that Space Racer is a glass canon Thadeus explain it above that was the weakest Viltrumite of the whole group and He said that they could die, not that they were going to die directly, then it was seen that that was only an exaggerated statement on their part leaving the planet they had neither injuries nor serious burns any of the 3 Viltrumitas and well that can be seen On the top scans.


Well also say that you can add a new power up to the Viltrumites and Invincible and Nolan, the Geldarians a race that is considered much lower than the Viltrumites already have planet level armor and do not forget that the Geldarians are trash for the Viltrumites, Viltrumites They sent to another race their allied Kresh to dominate them and the Kresh dominated them without problems and well the Geldarians already had planet level armors as is the Omega Jacket and they as a whole managed to destroy much of an Earth Alternative image.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113390/4882585-brit-+010.jpg

An armor more powerful than the Omega Jacket would be the Colossal, seen in the new series of TJ, where this also showed every new weapon capable more power than the other.

The Geldarians, considered trash by the Viltrumitas, are able to transform an entire galaxy into a weapon, using suns like bullets.

http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCa...AAAAAID3I_FZB711lon5g_s1600_p34_13_2Bcopy.jpg

Again the Geldarians created the weapon the size of a galaxy.

Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/__Rb1oSc6G3VE_VRxPMSxL4vI_AAAAAAAJkfY_6QAyeIx1abs_s1600_p28_1_2Bcopy.jpg


The weapon known as the Colossal has entire galaxies of forces and soldiers at its disposal

Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/__5WQ9_Mm5TBs_VRxPPjpLxWI_AAAAAAAJkgo_UMaMwlNRbsI_s1600_p28_16_2Bcopy.jpg


This weapon is created to destroy the same immune system of the universe, a force capable of defending the very factory of reality.

Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/__tpNPcUc0WGs_VRxPOoFZzHI_AAAAAAAJkgE_JtRx72AcUdo_s1600_p28_15_2Bcopy.jpg


This force has eaten galaxies one at a time

Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/__nEKqGYswyTI_VOyrMKAI0sI_AAAAAAAID4U_VAhv7iqdT4o_s1600_p34_5_2Bcopy.jpg


And in fact TJ is fused with the Colossal and uses stars of all the solar systems of the whole milky way to fight against the Colossal.

Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/__FgbVUds0yJI_VgLnWyDBtgI_AAAAAAAQYCc_HWjOj2Stkj0_s1600_48_09.jpg


All these feats are located pre viltrumite war and do not forget that Zack is the most powerful of the Geldarians due to their human nature and their powers also continue to grow, apart from that in this miniseries could murder 2 Invincibles parallel that were already planet level In a maximum effort and could fight against Nul a bounty hunter who made him one shot to a worlds eater and could survive for months in the sun and that is inferior to a random adult Viltrumite


After the War Viltrumita Zack received an important power up, of all the weapons of Coalition of Planets a technology much superior to the terrestrial one and of hundreds of planets, even so it confirms that it is not at the level of Mark and Nolan, this Mark Is much weaker than the current one that has surpassed Omni Man.


Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_uploads_original_5_58664_1654542_invincible.77.08.jpg


currently

Mark> Nolan> Adult Viltrum> Tech Jacket currently


A sample of what these blast of the Coalition random ships capable of destroying a construct that blocks a sun, these blast planet buster are nothing for normal adult Viltrumites.


Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/__DurhI75M4aM_U0itN9P_paI_AAAAAAACU3s_cDTWkHAbA18_s1600_p67_8.jpg

Http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/__EM86p3kLWJc_U0ivPpOYa0I_AAAAAAACVK0__WkPGL1x8R8_s1600_p73_7.jpg


For these feats but the feat of Viltrum Invincible and Omni Man should be Star Level or Large Planet by the powerscaling of the Geldarians and Tech Jacket.
 
Well, I personally think that all of the Invincible profiles with very poorly motivated statistics should get Unknown ratings.
 
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