• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Reasons to downgrade a few One Piece character's speed

Status
Not open for further replies.
Addarash

Addarash

129
20
I don't know why Luffy's speed is Massively Hypersonic from the CP9 Climatic feat. Even the reaction is hardly Hypersonic. "Khalifa" had time to react when Nami said the name of the attack.

It's like saying kid Goku is FTL because he avoided Tien's solar flare. Goku anticipated to Tien's movement before the attack. In other words. He evaded the attack before Tien places his hand for the attack. Characters tend to react before attacks are used.

Massively hypersonic reaction would be more accurate. but that's being generous.

The OBD link I cannot see, but the explosion was 500m in diameter dodging that I'd say High hypersonic would be an accurate speed. The explosion was only mach 6 which is hypersonic+.

Nami technically can't attack at lightning speed, she can't physically move at lightning speed. Being able to use Sanji's attack. Sanji only attacks with his feet so he would be used to it.

Zoro dodged a laser from Bartolomeo, but Kid goku dodged many laser in the Red ribbon army saga. Even Spiderman has dodged lasers, being a slower character than Zoro.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15047/3079670-2238392-feat3ssspeed1wr8.jpg

Kid Goku scans: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3075676-5048342726-o96.i.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3075676-5048342726-o96.i.jpg
 
You mean what happens in almost every shonen fighting manga with named techniques. Doesn't change the fact she dodged the lightning, and that their are far superior characters compared to her that can do it with far more ease.

Goku also had inconsistencies in said argument by not being capable of dodging multiple attacks that weren't as high a level.

Mhm, you're the god of generosity.

Mhm.

I see... this is an argument for DB's speed feats. Yet you tried to do a double play with One Piece so you can increase DB's speed. And did it in the worst most crappy way possible. (Thumbs up, tongue out)
 
I wasn't trying to increase DB's speed at all. If you'd specify which attacks Goku could not dodge I'd like to see. You failed to refute evidence. Dragon ball may have inconsistencies, but One Piece has too. She could actually be seen as slow because she had a moment to escape seeing the cloud and Naturally would've escaped before Nami said the name of the attack, so fail EDIT: If I wanted to upgrade any character I would've done so in a seperate post.
&​
Keep your antic gestures to yourself.
 
It's not me being salty, you're just wrong. Goku could have also dodged the "Solar Flare" by listening to Tien unleash it through wordplay and grabbimg the glasses and being back in the same spot he was. I bet you forgot that.
 
@The Everlasting I'm not suggesting that he is FTL. I already stated that Tien needs to move his hands and open his eyes. I'm using it as an example the attack is lightspeed, but he gets away before it is used. EDIT: Goku knew Tien about the attack unlike Vegeta and Dodoria. Seeing Roshi affected by it first.
 
Addarash said:
I'm not wrong. Tien doesn't even say the name of his attack. His attack is technically light, but neither of the characters are lightspeed. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3071775-3232751227-24586.jpg Nice try. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3071780-8612189208-25066.jpg
Click to expand...
But you just used the same reasoning to say that "she can't be Massively Hypersonic because she stated the attack". What happens in DB all the time kids! I'll give you a hint "KAMEHAME-HA!!!!!".
 
The Kamehameha isn't a lightbased attack it's a Ki emission. The Kamehameha would be considerably easier to dodge even if it were lightning/light speed. As character's sense massive power level increases and it takes a few seconds to use. It's the same in this case she even saw the clouds before she added the last heat bubble so she fleed before the attack was made.
 
Addarash said:
The Kamehameha isn't a lightbased attack it's a Ki emission. The Kamehameha would be considerably easier to dodge if it were lightning/light speed. As character's sense massive power level increasing and it takes a few seconds to use. It's the same in this case she even saw the clouds before she added the last heat bubble so she fleed before the attack was made.
Click to expand...
And completely doesn't understand the point that it still took her movement speed and reflexes to dodge lightning, just like it would take Goku's speed and reflexes to dodge light-based attacks. Maybe he'll get it with his next post...
 
GTgokussj4 said:
I don't know about One Piece but if kid Goku was FTL why would he learn to move faster than lightning as a kid.
Click to expand...
That was a filler episode. It's not canon. Though you have made proved a point that there are even inconistencies in the anime.
 
GTgokussj4 said:
Addarash said:
GTgokussj4 said:
I don't know about One Piece but if kid Goku was FTL why would he learn to move faster than lightning as a kid.
Click to expand...
That was a filler episode. It's not canon. Though you have made proved a point that there are even inconistencies in the anime.
Click to expand...
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3071835-0282065582-24302.gif
Click to expand...
Didn't even see that part in the manga. Let's just say that he isn't even lightspeed. Lol.
 
@Davy0 The point I was trying to make is that Khalifa had time to get out of the attack even before Nami said the name of the attack. Which would be similar to Goku's case he didn't even dodge the Solar flare he moved before it was used. Which would be similar here Khalifa didn't even dodge the lightning.
 
The same can be said for Goku, until you know, he can't dodge blasts that are as fast as "lightning" effortlessly as a kid. She didn't even get the upgrade really, she's a lightning timer while everyone else who was superior to her dramatically, was MHS. So what's your problem.
 
Incase you haven't read I've proved most of the MHS feats are invalid. Lightning is MHS btw which was the feat used to scale Luffy to MHS. The idea that they are MHS is a misconception off the lightning feat alone.
 
That just about does it about me trying to explain things to you, it's too difficult. I'm putting it in the simplest ways I can. You "Wouldn't" consider yourself faster than light. If I told you I was going to shine my torch in your face, you wait few seconds for me to insert batteries in, then leave the room before I get to even press the switch.
 
Soooo Tien saying "Solar Flare" isn't being used as an excuse right now. Cause Tien and every other character states they are going to use Solar Flare every time they use it... So what's your point? What's the end game here. Wrap it in a neat bow.
 
1. Tien doesn't state he was going to use the Solar Flare

2. Goku knew

3. You've avoided my other points, I think it's time for you to wrap it up to be honest at this point. You've once again failed
 
https://youtu.be/-ZifGi-BBo0?t=633 - Oh and look he's using the move that was seen by Master Roshi himself and Goku would have seen it as well... imagine that...

http://i43.tinypic.com/11b4589.jpg - This too, he gestures before he does it and Goku saw it, you're telling me that he didn't say Solar Flare with this evidence.

How am I failing when your points don't matter? We didn't think she was either.. .that's why she's a Lightning Timer and the stronger characters (Monster Trio) are MHS...
 
Nevermind, I thought it was Sound FX. Thanks for showing me.

The feat is still used for Luffy's Massively hypersonic feat, you still however failed to debunk why the explosion was enough to scale him MHS, Zoro dodging lasers made him MHS, but spiderman also dodge lasers casually. Being HS. You've only disproved my DB point. EDIT: In that same instance you would say Goku is a light timer in that one instance, but he's obviously not.
 
... OK... You do realize that while Kuma was fresh that Zoro was weakened too correct? Kuma's tier at the time should have made him faster than Zoro either way, so Kuma would have had MHS speed regardless of Zoro as he'd be more comparable to Time Skip Monster Trio who are in fact MHS through liquid explosions, meteorite cutting, etc.
 
EDIT: In that same instance you would say Goku is a light timer in that one instance, but he's obviously not.

But he wasn't a lightning timer. Everything was set up for him to see, Tien makes the same gesture he did against Jackie Chun so he'd have some idea in understanding that it was going to happen. That's why the feat has less validity, he'd already seen it coming while Nami had just used such a technique against Kalifa.
 
There's nothing to prove that Kuma is anywhere near that speed. Goku was also off-gaurd when he'd dodged the laser. He's barely ranked as HS at the Red Ribbon saga. I've not seen the meteorite cutting feat, but as I've stated there was mention of the explosion being 6 mp/s.
 
Are you kidding me? Dude. Kuma was superior to both the units that were based off him, and a Shichibukai, even Croc has MHS speed from being capable of intercepting attacks from Doflamingo.
 
Yet another downplayer.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20880

Quoted in the same blog:

This would make the result m-458 And if you want a high end, using the OP Planet density = Earth density => Mass => Escape velocity, you get m-2111. GM better thank my momma too


Okay, let me make it clear. Using this

Doflamingo arm movement = mach 458 Speed of string = mach 916 Fujitora = mach 289

Using the other high end I got here: Doflamingo arm movement = mach 2111 Speed of string = mach 4222 Fujitora = mach 1333

And just in case you don't believe that.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22542


Next -

http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/...profiles/212-character-profile-monkey-d-luffy

First Kalifa - http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/687-character-profile-kalifa

Then, Latest version of Pre-Skip Luffy - Hypersonic+ (at least as fast as Zoro and Trafalgar Law), massively hypersonic+ with Gear Second (faster than lightning)

Faster Than Lightning Blog Link - http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20846
 
Doflamingo is MHS. You're bringing the lightning argument, but she escaped before the lightning was made. The delusion that Khalifa is as bull as Goku reacting to light. Khalifa's lightning feat was used to scale Luffy to Gear 2 MHS. She even saw the clouds as they formed so even someone a little transonic could escape the area and come back. He only gets MHS when he fights Doflamingo then.
 
Ahhh so you don't use powerscaling it seems...

You don't see that I showed you that she was Hypersonic+ with lightning timing abilities... Kinda starting to piss me off now... Maybe I should bring in someone else before I start to get angry because your skull just isn't recieving the information...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

KingTempest
Fallacy Revision
Replies
18
Views
2K
Lilixa
Lilixa
CurrySenpai
The Great Remnant Quest to Downgrade RWBY [Part 2] LIGHT SPEED MORE LIKE LIGHT PEE
2 3
Replies
102
Views
4K
Cire
DavidTPPM
  • Locked
OPM - problems with the FTL calc
2
Replies
54
Views
4K
Shadow_x007x
Shadow_x007x
Shadow_x007x
One-Punch Man - Upgrade Metal Bat's speed
Replies
22
Views
2K
Qawsedf234
Qawsedf234
TheGenghistKhan
Isekai Maou Verse OVERHAUL Part 2: Diablo's Speed and Range
Replies
15
Views
2K
TheGenghistKhan
TheGenghistKhan
Back
Top