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Re:adding Resistance to Time Stop and Updating Hit's Range | Dragon Ball Super Revision

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This feat is legit. One thing can be sure is that Immeasurable speed via Time-Skip could possibly be an outlier but the by product of it which is Time-Stop it is not.

King Kai says "But I heard you predicted a few seconds in time at the martial arts match, right?" (6:20). Implying that Hit's Time Skip goes forward in time to attack which Time Stops because Son Goku's actions haven't been decided in the future. Son Goku forced his way in the future to resist and counter hit's time skip which gives him resistance to it (20:24). Until Hit power up further (8:20).

According to the Speed page, Note 7. Supports this feat.

Vados statement is partially correct (14:11) which was taken out of context. First of all, this is not a retcon to their previous confrontation. This is her saying that it is not Time Stop and that Hit is just skipping time. But what happens when you skip time? Again look above!

Conclusion:

Resistance to Time Stop needs to be added.




Hit's range for his Time Skip needs to be added because it is not Universal. It is a Pocket Dimension (17:42). Seems to be Tens of Meters.
 
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Uuuhhh I am not understanding mechanics of how resistance is being added back.
None of the video links work for me, and text isn't doing a very good job of explaining how Time skip is working, no offence.😅.

Can someone explain this in simpler words??
 
This feat is legit. One thing can be sure is that Immeasurable speed via Time-Skip could possibly be an outlier but the by product of it which is Time-Stop it is not.

King Kai says "But I heard you predicted a few seconds in time at the martial arts match, right?" (6:20). Implying that Hit's Time Skip goes forward in time to attack which Time Stops because Son Goku's actions haven't been decided in the future. Son Goku forced his way in the future to resist and counter hit's time skip which gives him resistance to it (20:24). Until Hit power up further (8:20).
The links doesn't work

Also, how exactly is what Hit doing a time stop? He was literally said to skip a short period of time into the future rather than just stopping time

If anything, this will just give Goku resistance to Hit's time manip, but there's also the problem that Hit's time abilities only work on people weaker than him, meaning Goku doesn't no sell it due to resistance, but rather due to powering up beyond the point of Hit affecting him
 
If anything, this will just give Goku resistance to Hit's time manip, but there's also the problem that Hit's time abilities only work on people weaker than him, meaning Goku doesn't no sell it due to resistance, but rather due to powering up beyond the point of Hit affecting him
You'll probably have to post scans.
 
Also, how exactly is what Hit doing a time stop? He was literally said to skip a short period of time into the future rather than just stopping time
it's true that time skip isn't truly time stop but it still works kinda the same way , hit slips 0.1 secs into the future but in that time frame time appears stopped for anyone that isn't hit and goku still punched him out of it , therefor resisting the time stopping effect of the ability .
as for HIT stopping goku at the end , let's not forget he kept evolving it , he simply improved it to the point that it bypasses one layer of resistances , that's it .

as for range should he have it at interdimensional ? he can hit ppl from within his pocket dimension afterall
 
So.....what is this??? this is immeasurable speed or resistance to timestop. Because if Hit time-leap is skip time forward then it is not affect Goku as Hit intent to forward himself in time, Goku will not have resistance to Hit time manip as Hit don't use the ability on Goku. On the other hand, Goku react and blocking an attack from future will make him have Immeasurable speed or atleast infinite speed
I agree with this. This would slightly affect CC Goku aswell
Not affect at all actually, as CC Goku have time manip resistance far above Hit time manip
 
Someone gonna explain??
Simple, according to note 7 in speed page, someone with infinite speed will see everything as frozen in time, similar to time stop. So in this case of Hit, he use his time manip to forward himself in time, in his view his opponent frozen in time similar to when you time-stop your opponent so in a sense Hit got psuedo-infinite speed amplification by using his time manip to fast forward himself in time; and you know that Hit got punched by Goku => if it is not speed feat then it is time-stop resistance as Goku resist being frozen in time to punch Hit.

But there is flaw to this logic:
1. Infinite Speed allow you to achieve something similar to time-stop as when you move your opponent frozen in time, like being stopped in time. But this is not a hax, you simply move so fast that you opponent frozen in time, as oppose to when you frozen your opponent in time by using time hax to stop time. So react to this is speed feat, not hax resistance.
2. in U6 vs U7 arc, we never have feat of Hit using his time manip on other people, unlike his feat in pre-ToP when he fight those gang and in ToP when he fight Jiren which is legit feat of time-stopping your opponent. In U6 vs U7, Hit only apply his time manip on himself to fast forward in time, he never apply it on Goku so we can't confirm Goku resist time manip or not (possibly only when Goku fired his KamehameHa Hit start use it on opponent, and Goku have have 2 scene where he can't resist it at all). So Goku reacted to this and punched Hit is speed feat (which either Immeasurable or Infinite) or Precognition (as he foresaw future to intercept Hit fast forward himself to future to strike).
 
So basically somewhat of whether Bayonetta Witch Time is speed amp or time slow deal...

Only magnified to whether this is infinite speed or time stop deal.

Wow. This ones gonna be a doozy, well thanks for explaining Viet.
 
Not really. The anime also stated that Jiren and Goku broke through Hit's ahilities because of their strength alone, not due to an innate resistance to it, otherwise Goku would not be affected no matter what form he is in
Yes, but Time-Skip only working on those who are equal to or weaker than Hit is only explicitly stated in the manga; this weakness is really emphasized with Hit's Time-Skip seemingly shortening (in Hit's eyes) the more powerful Goku got in comparison to him.
 
The links doesn't work

Also, how exactly is what Hit doing a time stop? He was literally said to skip a short period of time into the future rather than just stopping time

If anything, this will just give Goku resistance to Hit's time manip, but there's also the problem that Hit's time abilities only work on people weaker than him, meaning Goku doesn't no sell it due to resistance, but rather due to powering up beyond the point of Hit affecting him
Hakai only works on people who are weaker than it. Moro's absorption only works on people who are slower than it. Did you see the pattern?
AP and speed>Hax. So lets remove all resistances from DB characters.
 
Simple, according to note 7 in speed page, someone with infinite speed will see everything as frozen in time, similar to time stop. So in this case of Hit, he use his time manip to forward himself in time, in his view his opponent frozen in time similar to when you time-stop your opponent so in a sense Hit got psuedo-infinite speed amplification by using his time manip to fast forward himself in time; and you know that Hit got punched by Goku => if it is not speed feat then it is time-stop resistance as Goku resist being frozen in time to punch Hit.

But there is flaw to this logic:
1. Infinite Speed allow you to achieve something similar to time-stop as when you move your opponent frozen in time, like being stopped in time. But this is not a hax, you simply move so fast that you opponent frozen in time, as oppose to when you frozen your opponent in time by using time hax to stop time. So react to this is speed feat, not hax resistance.
2. in U6 vs U7 arc, we never have feat of Hit using his time manip on other people, unlike his feat in pre-ToP when he fight those gang and in ToP when he fight Jiren which is legit feat of time-stopping your opponent. In U6 vs U7, Hit only apply his time manip on himself to fast forward in time, he never apply it on Goku so we can't confirm Goku resist time manip or not (possibly only when Goku fired his KamehameHa Hit start use it on opponent, and Goku have have 2 scene where he can't resist it at all). So Goku reacted to this and punched Hit is speed feat (which either Immeasurable or Infinite) or Precognition (as he foresaw future to intercept Hit fast forward himself to future to strike).
Precog makes sense
 
Never stated.
It is common knowledge that in dragon ball, characters can overcome hax through sheer power alone. "Hax resistance" is not a thing in the verse. So it doesn't matter if it's stated or not. For example, why didn't Toppo's hakai worked on vegeta but it did work on frieza? Don't tell me that vegeta has "EE resistance" because vegeta never claimed that vegeta resists EE.
okay, but that was literally because moro's absorption had a set speed that goku surpassed
No, it is just blatant example of Sheer strength and speed overpowering hax.
Another example, vegeta overpowered babidi's mind hax through sheer strength and will not because "Mind hax resistance".
Hax resistance is not a thing.
 
frieza was not erased, though

except they explicitly concluded that it was a result of his will and pride which is both supernatural will and mind hax resistance
The only reason frieza was not erased was because Toppo was holding back. Toppo himself said that he could have erased frieza if he wanted too but he would get disqualified.
I can agree with your second point though.
If you believe that goku should not have time hax resistance because he was stronger than hit, then EE resistance from goku, vegeta and frieza profile should be removed too since hakai can get overpowered by higher AP.
 
I don't get it is this a downgrade or an upgrade thread? Anyway I agree about removing every resistance from Goku's profile as overpowering via Raw power ≠ resistance
 
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